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GOCANES$ said:
Miami current roster ranks 13th NATIONALLY. 2nd in Acc behind Clemson.

All we need is a COACH
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While it sounds like we are very talented ranked #13 most of the highly ranked guys are skill players. We have not loaded up on highly rated DL or OL and the ones we did we have either not developed or missed on there evaluation.
 
cf3000 said:
We don't have the talent where it really counts. For instance our offensive line and our linebackers. Those groups don't have a lot of talent.
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Linebackers are an easy fix, offensive line, not so much
 
Babscanes said:
I agree with a lot here man. It seems we are cursed. Guys dropping int's and easy passes. year after year too. That's not on the coaches but overall the product stinks more from coaching issues than players. But that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.
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I agree and yet the teams we are playing are also dropping passes and missing wide open guys. Point is, the talent gap isn't really that big
 
GOCANES$ said:
Miami current roster ranks 13th NATIONALLY. 2nd in Acc behind Clemson.

All we need is a COACH
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and Clemson does too. they’re ranked 4th. Also recruiting ranking s are not always Correct and without a sure fire first rd qb there, after having one the last 7 years, he’s exposed. Dabo has brought Clemson as far as he can and made them relevant but he’s not a hc. He should be a fkn pastor.
 
swampcougar1 said:
Question for the op. If your 4 stars due to lack of good coaching do not develope or regress do we really have better talent than schools that develope their 3 stars
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If a 5 star changes from offense to defense his final year after week 3 and they have been average the whole time here then that’s on coaching? idk of any coach who could make Pope, Wiggins and Mallory catch the ball? They should have switched him after 2019 season to defense or told him to go in portal.


not everything is lack of good coaching, as we saw in early Coker years. some kids just never live up to the hype. Tate Martell was first person to pop in mind, Robert Marve, Seantrel Henderson etc etc

and then you have guys like Zion who was hyped before season as a potential 1st rd pick by media and if not 1st, 2nd rd pick and dude was what? A two star recruit who was going to app st before we offered. The biggest issue is Diaz will not play the most talented and it’s a fact he has his favorites. Mallory doesn’t start vs anyone and we start the true frosh te, anyone other than mccloud at de, we find ways to get our talented true frosh more involved cause other than Rambo and Harris(who is only good against shi! Defenses) the rest of the veterans need to go, same with defense. Gurvan Hall is terrible. Not playing man coverage when our zone is eaten alive. Jamming the receiver’s instead of starting 15 yds off the line. Golden was and is hands down better at evaluating high school talent then Diaz. Goldens defense was worst but he had nothing to do with developing njoku who was a lower level recriot.

diaz could be the best developer of talent ever and it would not matter if he wont play young talent over veterans who have not been special. The scheme in our defense is atrocious. We don’t have the best lbs, so instead of gap integrity for dl he still has them shooting and guessing on gaps n getting up field. Any rb that gets to the line of scrimmage won’t be tackled till a safety comes to the rescue after 10-15 yards.

diaz has recruited well for certain positions and terrible at others so the 13th most talented team according to recruiting rankings don’t mean a thing when you lack any good talent at lb and never a good center. Diaz neglecting cb recruiting till this year class is frustrating.

lashlee. Having up tempo is great but he doesn’t make best calls most time on play s and has yet to use the te advantage both our true freshman have. Both can catch and one can actually block well but instead Mallory who can’t block and no longer knows how to catch is still starting.

trob and dvd are good positional coaches as is Simpson. Those three are the only ones that could retained by new staff and trob must be retained imo if whoever’s new hc doesn’t want our 22 class to become sh!! and not lose any of our talented first or second year players.
 
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Our ol sucks when asked to push people
Decent pass blocking
As much as they suck our oc does nothing to help them
We should be quick throws but we have long developing throws rarely move the pocket run draws etc
We do nothing to scheme to our advantage
And minimize weaknesses
Even on defense it’s clear our dbs are to dumb for zone so they should just play man no thinking involved
Our talent is not as good as we think but it also extremely misused
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Kam Kinchens is a high four star kid. Ball hit him directly in the hands for a pick on the first drive, dropped, UVA scores.

Borregales is the #1 kicking recruit in the country. Doinks a chip shot off the upright for a loss.

I'm not saying these kids stink, or they won't be good, or any of that. Just pointing out that you guys thinking this is 100% because of coaching are taking the easy way out. Kids are in position to make plays. They don't make them. That's not coaching, it's....something else. I'm honestly convinced this program is cursed. It's the only thing that makes sense. How does that ball go RIGHT THROUGH Marcus Clarke's hands and not only is it not an INT, but it's a TD to a kid with his facemask in the grass. What in the absolute fvck?

Anyway, this is a mess from top to bottom. We all know that, and we know Manny is a dead man walking. As he should be, he's the head of the snake and when it goes bad, he's the one who has to go. But there are a LOT of plays out there that are not made by kids who are in perfect position to make them. They just don't. I can't explain it. It's not Stephen Field's fault that a ball hits Will Mallory directly between the 8 and 5 in the middle of his chest for a 14-3 lead and he drops it. It's just not. That's not coaching. That kid was recruited by 30 top programs, and on the NFL's radar before the season. Now, all of a sudden, he can't catch Covid in a New York nursing home. It makes absolutely no sense to me how this program can ALWAYS take one step forward, two steps back. Every single time. There was not a single nanosecond that I thought Borregales would make that kick. Not for an instant. Why? Why am I so goddammed calloused that I expect failure at every single turn. My wife yelled at me during the game because she says I laugh when bad things happen. I dead-*** do not even realize I do it. I ******* laugh when we drop passes or miss field goals or drop interceptions, and it's involuntary. That's how broken we all are mentally watching this bull**** year after year. It's honestly comical how often we **** up that it makes me chuckle when it happens, over and over.

So yeah, we need a new coach. Yeah, Mario would be a godsend. But this "13th best roster" **** is for the birds. Bubba Bolden makes up a big chunk of that ranking. Back to back plays in week 1, he has an INT go through his hands (in perfect position) and completely whiffs on a 6 foot freshman QB on a nicely designed safety blitz that got home. Manny's fault? Nope. You're a borderline 5-star player on this supposed 13th ranked roster. Go make a ******* play.
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Well said, brother!! Well said, thank you!!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 You can’t say it any better than that!
 
Did you guys see how fast Manny’s face went from a silly grin to a complete frown when that kick hit the upright vs UVA?

That’s the exact same amount of time it would take for a proven P5 head coach to turn this thing around.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Kam Kinchens is a high four star kid. Ball hit him directly in the hands for a pick on the first drive, dropped, UVA scores.

Borregales is the #1 kicking recruit in the country. Doinks a chip shot off the upright for a loss.

I'm not saying these kids stink, or they won't be good, or any of that. Just pointing out that you guys thinking this is 100% because of coaching are taking the easy way out. Kids are in position to make plays. They don't make them. That's not coaching, it's....something else. I'm honestly convinced this program is cursed. It's the only thing that makes sense. How does that ball go RIGHT THROUGH Marcus Clarke's hands and not only is it not an INT, but it's a TD to a kid with his facemask in the grass. What in the absolute fvck?

Anyway, this is a mess from top to bottom. We all know that, and we know Manny is a dead man walking. As he should be, he's the head of the snake and when it goes bad, he's the one who has to go. But there are a LOT of plays out there that are not made by kids who are in perfect position to make them. They just don't. I can't explain it. It's not Stephen Field's fault that a ball hits Will Mallory directly between the 8 and 5 in the middle of his chest for a 14-3 lead and he drops it. It's just not. That's not coaching. That kid was recruited by 30 top programs, and on the NFL's radar before the season. Now, all of a sudden, he can't catch Covid in a New York nursing home. It makes absolutely no sense to me how this program can ALWAYS take one step forward, two steps back. Every single time. There was not a single nanosecond that I thought Borregales would make that kick. Not for an instant. Why? Why am I so goddammed calloused that I expect failure at every single turn. My wife yelled at me during the game because she says I laugh when bad things happen. I dead-*** do not even realize I do it. I ******* laugh when we drop passes or miss field goals or drop interceptions, and it's involuntary. That's how broken we all are mentally watching this bull**** year after year. It's honestly comical how often we **** up that it makes me chuckle when it happens, over and over.

So yeah, we need a new coach. Yeah, Mario would be a godsend. But this "13th best roster" **** is for the birds. Bubba Bolden makes up a big chunk of that ranking. Back to back plays in week 1, he has an INT go through his hands (in perfect position) and completely whiffs on a 6 foot freshman QB on a nicely designed safety blitz that got home. Manny's fault? Nope. You're a borderline 5-star player on this supposed 13th ranked roster. Go make a ******* play.
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Development.

I’m 100 percent convinced Miami doesn’t actually hold Spring or Summer practices. I’m convinced they just go out there and jog around at best, have some Orange slices and call it a day.

That’s how you get the product we see out there now
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Kam Kinchens is a high four star kid. Ball hit him directly in the hands for a pick on the first drive, dropped, UVA scores.

Borregales is the #1 kicking recruit in the country. Doinks a chip shot off the upright for a loss.

I'm not saying these kids stink, or they won't be good, or any of that. Just pointing out that you guys thinking this is 100% because of coaching are taking the easy way out. Kids are in position to make plays. They don't make them. That's not coaching, it's....something else. I'm honestly convinced this program is cursed. It's the only thing that makes sense. How does that ball go RIGHT THROUGH Marcus Clarke's hands and not only is it not an INT, but it's a TD to a kid with his facemask in the grass. What in the absolute fvck?

Anyway, this is a mess from top to bottom. We all know that, and we know Manny is a dead man walking. As he should be, he's the head of the snake and when it goes bad, he's the one who has to go. But there are a LOT of plays out there that are not made by kids who are in perfect position to make them. They just don't. I can't explain it. It's not Stephen Field's fault that a ball hits Will Mallory directly between the 8 and 5 in the middle of his chest for a 14-3 lead and he drops it. It's just not. That's not coaching. That kid was recruited by 30 top programs, and on the NFL's radar before the season. Now, all of a sudden, he can't catch Covid in a New York nursing home. It makes absolutely no sense to me how this program can ALWAYS take one step forward, two steps back. Every single time. There was not a single nanosecond that I thought Borregales would make that kick. Not for an instant. Why? Why am I so goddammed calloused that I expect failure at every single turn. My wife yelled at me during the game because she says I laugh when bad things happen. I dead-*** do not even realize I do it. I ******* laugh when we drop passes or miss field goals or drop interceptions, and it's involuntary. That's how broken we all are mentally watching this bull**** year after year. It's honestly comical how often we **** up that it makes me chuckle when it happens, over and over.

So yeah, we need a new coach. Yeah, Mario would be a godsend. But this "13th best roster" **** is for the birds. Bubba Bolden makes up a big chunk of that ranking. Back to back plays in week 1, he has an INT go through his hands (in perfect position) and completely whiffs on a 6 foot freshman QB on a nicely designed safety blitz that got home. Manny's fault? Nope. You're a borderline 5-star player on this supposed 13th ranked roster. Go make a ******* play.
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We have highly rated guys but problem is they all regress as the years go by
 
There is a difference between raw talent and developed talent. Miami attracts the raw talent. Miami doesn't coach that into developed talent. Our blue chips come in and hardly improve at all in 3-4 years if not regress in that time. That's the issue.
 
ddann said:
Did you guys see how fast Manny’s face went from a silly grin to a complete frown when that kick hit the upright vs UVA?

That’s the exact same amount of time it would take for a proven P5 head coach to turn this thing around.
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I'd love to see a before and after side by side photo of his grin. I missed it
 
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GOCANES$ said:
Miami current roster ranks 13th NATIONALLY. 2nd in Acc behind Clemson.

All we need is a COACH
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Don't tell me about recruit rankings, what I know is our OL is A##. Our DL is not much to brag about. Give me the rankings of the Line-of-Scrimmage. I'm sure we would come in near the bottom.
 
r0fl_57omp7 said:
I agree with mostly everything you said, but there is something to be said about coaching. I can pretty much guarantee our players go to another school and light it up. I cant think of any good examples, so maybe Cager. He was basically the father of Wiggins and Pope. But he went to Georgia and started doing very well. I believe he was their #1 or #2 WR that year.

The kids DO just need to go out there and make a **** play. But let's say if we're struggling with catching the ball, is it because the talent is trash and are headcases and can't catch or is it because Manuelita Diaz-Canel Come Pinga Jr doesn't have them practicing the right things or often enough. If they are out there singing kumbaya my lord, kumbaya and going over their civics lessons at Top Golf instead of doing Oklahoma drills and putting jugs machines into each players dorm rooms, what would you expect the outcome to be? If you don't use it, you lose it. That can be said for anything, including football skills.

Mallory has been such a let down. I thought he had a higher ceiling than B Jordan. Don't know what the **** is up there. But I'm with others that think he should sit until he starts working his way back to form (if ever).

I'm with you though. The whole thing where we can predict what is about to happen next has got us deluded and literally losing it mentally as fans. The safety was predictable, the missed FG was predictable.

I think we all expect failure at every turn. It's honestly depressing. The '21 class definitely doesn't deserve that.
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cager basically put up the same numbers at UGA that he did here
 
We do not have more talent than most of the teams we play in the ACC. Use your eyes.
 
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