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We all agree Gattis was awful. Question, if we didn’t know better, would we not think based upon what we saw, that Mirabel was an atrocious Oline coach, and Strong and Addae were total idiots based upon lb and secondary play?

i do think Gattis is a bad fit here, but he was given a bad hand as well. Speaking to someone inside program, all the coaches ( including Mario) were stunned out side of a few guys ( Kam, X few others) the lack of commitment by the roster. Just a total lack of work ethic which carried over from Manny.

We either believe all of these coaches ( many of which we know are very good) suddenly became total incompetents, or the logical alternative there was a total lack of buy-in by the coddled players.

Lastly, as many have opined, Gattis is 100% gone just a matter of obtaining a good solution for all parties.
 
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the only coach that can arguably defend his performance last year was Field at TE. Everyone else based on position group performance was atrocious.

But we all know Gatis was a loser and a fraud both on and off the field whereas most of those other coaches have legit track records of success and were working on building a foundation. Ponce and Gattis had to go. The rest are on notice.
 
grover said:
the only coach that can arguably defend his performance last year was Field at TE. Everyone else based on position group performance was atrocious.

But we all know Gatis was a loser and a fraud both on and off the field whereas most of those other coaches have legit track records of success and were working on building a foundation. Ponce and Gattis had to go. The rest are on notice.
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Kevin Smith too. No issues with RBs and he’s recruited well in b2b cycles
 
I think if Gattis came to coach the offense in 2024 instead of 2022 his results would be much different. It’s been discussed on podcasts but our OL was small for years. We had Scaife playing tackle at what, maybe 6’3 if he’s lucky? We got midgets on OL and terrible receivers on top of injuries. I think what got Gattis might have been his attitude as some have alluded to, maybe more so than his coaching ability.

Small OL 6’3 and shorter
Scaife
Clark
Jon Dennis
Ryan Rodriguez
Justise Olu
Ousman T
Logan S
 
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grover said:
the only coach that can arguably defend his performance last year was Field at TE. Everyone else based on position group performance was atrocious.

But we all know Gatis was a loser and a fraud both on and off the field whereas most of those other coaches have legit track records of success and were working on building a foundation. Ponce and Gattis had to go. The rest are on notice.
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Not a Gattis fan, but also acknowledge offense was a mess between lack of talent and injuries. Call someone a fraud seems extreme.
 
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Hufftwoseven said:
I think if Gattis came to coach the offense in 2024 instead of 2022 his results would be much different. It’s been discussed on podcasts but our OL was small for years. We had Scaife playing tackle at what, maybe 6’3 if he’s lucky? We got midgets on OL and terrible receivers on top of injuries. I think what got Gattis might have been his attitude as some have alluded to, maybe more so than his coaching ability.

Small OL 6’3 and shorter
Scaife
Clark
Jon Dennis
Ryan Rodriguez
Justise Olu
Ousman T
Logan S
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It took him 2 - 3 years at Michigan to get that offense going. i'm expecting a big improvement this year if he stays just because of the improvement from the Oline.
 
Gattis is a bum and we underachieved by every metric in the books. He should have been fired months ago, but here we are, "respecting" Mario's asinine timeline.
 
Hufftwoseven said:
I think if Gattis came to coach the offense in 2024 instead of 2022 his results would be much different. It’s been discussed on podcasts but our OL was small for years. We had Scaife playing tackle at what, maybe 6’3 if he’s lucky? We got midgets on OL and terrible receivers on top of injuries. I think what got Gattis might have been his attitude as some have alluded to, maybe more so than his coaching ability.

Small OL 6’3 and shorter
Scaife
Clark
Jon Dennis
Ryan Rodriguez
Justise Olu
Ousman T
Logan S
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Even before the season Mirabel was talking about how they wanted an OL that would push forward as opposed to one that had more lateral speed which is what the OL was doing under Lashlee.

There is no question that, the injuries and the other things you mentioned factored into it, but a good coach needs to play to his team's strengths. Adapt to how you want to play as you get the players to do it otherwise you jeopardize your ability to get the players that you want.

All that said, I am guessing that you are also right in terms of the attitude (which also probably impacted team play); if Gattis was more agreeable with other coaches and the players I think he would still be here (w/o taking into account guaranteed money/contract).
 
Gattis is the worst coordinator hire in 40 years. Worse than Nix, worse than D’Onofrio. They knew the OL was doodoo before the season even started but they continued to run an offense like it wasn’t. There was no issue with players “not buying in” before the season started. It wasn’t until the wheels started falling off that all of the sudden we didn’t have any talent on offense. Guess what coach? When you keep telling players to do **** that doesn’t work, they’re not going to buy in to your garbage. No mulligan from me for that loser. If you need to have all Americans all over your roster for your system to work, your system is garbage. Take the talent on hand and get the most from that. Don’t cry that you have no talent when you inherited and offense that scored 34 points per game the year before and returned 9 starters.
 
Gattis NEVER tried to work with the product that he had......
Look at his pressers after games, and he came right out and blamed players again and again........
Did you see him try different plays in multiple games?.........**** no, he was bland, non creative, and incompetent in his play calling.
I was in the stands with other fans and we were calling his plays on formations on the line........guy is way in over his head and MUST go.....incompetent as ****.
i promise 30 rock GIF
 
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Said it in another thread, it seems completely unacceptable that OL experts looked at the OL last December and felt we only needed to add the 2 dudes from Oregon.

Our QBs were turned to garbage

Our WRs didn’t do **** and it took too long to get Young in games (I don’t care about his conditioning, he doesn’t need to run 100 meters to catch the ball in the red zone where we struggled)

Our LBs got surpassed by Flagg who people hate.

Our RBs were hurt.

Our TEs were confusing: Brantley dominated and then got dog housed or some ****.

Our secondary looked confused way too often.

Thank god Kam clicked because otherwise we were hot garbage when Stevenson was hurt and Ivey wasn’t exceeding expectations.

Mario thought he was putting together the Avengers of coaching and it was the island of misfit toys…
 
I think it’s important to realize that Gattis, outside of BCU was complete ***.

I told @LeedsCane after the So Miss game I didn’t like what I saw; this was pre-rash of injuries. The OL actually did a solid job until the injury bug depleted that unit. Granted, we had some personnel issues as well, but those personnel issues were magnified x10 b/c of chitty play calling & indecisive clock mgmt.

Both Gattis & Steele were extremely underwhelming. Gattis gets all the heat b/c just how anemic the offense was & unimaginative his play calling was, but Steele also called some pretty **** poor games, as well.

U can argue in favor of Steele that he inherited a bad, undisciplined defense from his predecessor, which is y I won’t go, too, in on him, but Gattis? It’s unfathomable in today’s landscape of football, even w/ some of the most depleted, subpar rosters in FBS, being unable to score a TD in how many quarters?? Injuries or not, that’s bush league under any circumstance.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I think it’s important to realize that Gattis, outside of BCU was complete ***.

I told @LeedsCane after the So Miss game I didn’t like what I saw; this was pre-rash of injuries. The OL actually did a solid job until the injury bug depleted that unit. Granted, we had some personnel issues as well, but those personnel issues were magnified x10 b/c of chitty play calling & indecisive clock mgmt.

Both Gattis & Steele were extremely underwhelming. Gattis gets all the heat b/c just how anemic the offense was & unimaginative his play calling was, but Steele also called some pretty **** poor games, as well.

U can argue in favor of Steele that he inherited a bad, undisciplined defense from his predecessor, which is y I won’t go too in on him, but Gattis? It’s unfathomable in today’s landscape of football, even w/ some of the most depleted, subpar rosters in FBS, being unable to score a TD in how many quarters?? Injuries or not, that’s bush league under any circumstance.
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Facts.

I give Steele a pass because we needed a total overhaul of the culture, and he brings continuity and gravitas to the team.

But Gattis was a tool the moment he took the job. Set aside the horrific play calling. The guy was making snarky comments about Michigan, never stopped complaining about personnel, didn't put the work in recruiting. He was just plain bad.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Said it in another thread, it seems completely unacceptable that OL experts looked at the OL last December and felt we only needed to add the 2 dudes from Oregon.
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... or realized that we would not be able to run the style they wanted to out of the gate. The OL wasn't a world beater in 21, but they at least were serviceable (for the passing game anyway).
 
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