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Go Canes!! said:
I didn’t see all those series where we played o linemen on defense, especially corner.
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You can’t honestly be saying that MTSU had more talent on offense than Miami had on defense?
 
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Would you take...

1) Joe Brady for 3 years
2) Gattis for 3 years but you also get Joe Burrows as your QB.
 
I said it when Mario was hired that it will take years to rid the stench from the Lispy regime. That being said we wanted to see something and Gattis responded by showing us absolutely nothing.
 
Rellyrell said:
I think it’s important to realize that Gattis, outside of BCU was complete ***.

I told @LeedsCane after the So Miss game I didn’t like what I saw; this was pre-rash of injuries. The OL actually did a solid job until the injury bug depleted that unit. Granted, we had some personnel issues as well, but those personnel issues were magnified x10 b/c of chitty play calling & indecisive clock mgmt.

Both Gattis & Steele were extremely underwhelming. Gattis gets all the heat b/c just how anemic the offense was & unimaginative his play calling was, but Steele also called some pretty **** poor games, as well.

U can argue in favor of Steele that he inherited a bad, undisciplined defense from his predecessor, which is y I won’t go, too, in on him, but Gattis? It’s unfathomable in today’s landscape of football, even w/ some of the most depleted, subpar rosters in FBS, being unable to score a TD in how many quarters?? Injuries or not, that’s bush league under any circumstance.
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Yea it was easy to see early on that it had the potential to get ugly..... I kept hoping it would turn but it didn't... Reality set in ... For all the bad points that came up , the one good point I guess if you wanna call it that was Mario saying early on that the talent was subpar... He was basically saying early that the roster was gonna get blown up and here we are... LOL!!!...
Let's see how the Coaching thing shakes out.... trying not say to much on it and just let it happen...
 
Atom Atlas said:
Yea it was easy to see early on that it had the potential to get ugly..... I kept hoping it would turn but it didn't... Reality set in ... For all the bad points that came up , the one good point I guess if you wanna call it that was Mario saying early on that the talent was subpar... He was basically saying early that the roster was gonna get blown up and here we are... LOL!!!...
Let's see how the Coaching thing shakes out.... trying not say to much on it and just let it happen...
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One thing I would want this board to stop saying though; when we see bad chit early on, stop trying to justify it by creating this false narrative that we’re not seeing the “full playbook, yet.”

We said that chit w/ Richt, Enos, & early on w/ Gattis.
 
First off, I like OPs post and voice of reason.

With that being said, as another poster alluded to, we didn't lose that much OL and skill talent to drop off on OFF the way we did.

Scheme and Cultural Fit is what doomed us and those two items are being addressed...1 of which is already largely done - Players that refuse to buy-in the new culture of hard work first and being cool 2nd, they've been asked to leave the program......The 2nd item is Scheme/Gattis and I have the utmost confidence that this gets done....Mario may have a 7yr contract remaining but he knows, just like Manny knew, that this 2nd OC hire has to lead to success on the field.

This is why I strongly believe that Mario will pull someone like Mullen and give him the reigns (and accountability) of the offense. If Mullen failed, being a universally respected OC/QB coach, Mario will not shoulder the blame going into Year 3.....don't believe me? Just look at all the noise and threads about firing Steele and Mario can't hire a successful DC etc etc etc - you get my point...those threads either don't exist or they pale in comparison to the outcry of UM Nation wanting Gattis ousted.......
 
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mdhhdm said:
We all agree Gattis was awful. Question, if we didn’t know better, would we not think based upon what we saw, that Mirabel was an atrocious Oline coach, and Strong and Addae were total idiots based upon lb and secondary play?

i do think Gattis is a bad fit here, but he was given a bad hand as well. Speaking to someone inside program, all the coaches ( including Mario) were stunned out side of a few guys ( Kam, X few others) the lack of commitment by the roster. Just a total lack of work ethic which carried over from Manny.

We either believe all of these coaches ( many of which we know are very good) suddenly became total incompetents, or the logical alternative there was a total lack of buy-in by the coddled players.

Lastly, as many have opined, Gattis is 100% gone just a matter of obtaining a good solution for all parties.
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These were thoughts I shared with you. The blatant argument against is Gattis is a terrible WR coach. He can’t recruit well in the portal. He can’t recruit well out of Miami. He can’t recruit well outside of Miami. Second, he can’t develop kids already on the roster.

Follow that up with an inability to hide deficiencies with play calling, and that’s his death knell.
 
Rellyrell said:
One thing I would want this board to stop saying though; when we see bad chit early on, stop trying to justify it by creating this false narrative that we’re not seeing the “full playbook, yet.”

We said that chit w/ Richt, Enos, & early on w/ Gattis.
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I agree... I've fallen for it before out of desperation but that was it... Just desperate for an excuse... LOL!!!
Adam Savage from Mythbusters always used to say " I reject your reality and insert my own."....
 
mdhhdm said:
We all agree Gattis was awful. Question, if we didn’t know better, would we not think based upon what we saw, that Mirabel was an atrocious Oline coach, and Strong and Addae were total idiots based upon lb and secondary play?

i do think Gattis is a bad fit here, but he was given a bad hand as well. Speaking to someone inside program, all the coaches ( including Mario) were stunned out side of a few guys ( Kam, X few others) the lack of commitment by the roster. Just a total lack of work ethic which carried over from Manny.

We either believe all of these coaches ( many of which we know are very good) suddenly became total incompetents, or the logical alternative there was a total lack of buy-in by the coddled players.

Lastly, as many have opined, Gattis is 100% gone just a matter of obtaining a good solution for all parties.
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“A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.” - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

If the kids didn't buying in, it is still his fault.

He has time to get "his" kids in but he should've been able to get more from what he had. Other coaches did.
 
Rellyrell said:
I think it’s important to realize that Gattis, outside of BCU was complete ***.

I told @LeedsCane after the So Miss game I didn’t like what I saw; this was pre-rash of injuries. The OL actually did a solid job until the injury bug depleted that unit. Granted, we had some personnel issues as well, but those personnel issues were magnified x10 b/c of chitty play calling & indecisive clock mgmt.

Both Gattis & Steele were extremely underwhelming. Gattis gets all the heat b/c just how anemic the offense was & unimaginative his play calling was, but Steele also called some pretty **** poor games, as well.

U can argue in favor of Steele that he inherited a bad, undisciplined defense from his predecessor, which is y I won’t go, too, in on him, but Gattis? It’s unfathomable in today’s landscape of football, even w/ some of the most depleted, subpar rosters in FBS, being unable to score a TD in how many quarters?? Injuries or not, that’s bush league under any circumstance.
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Facts, bruh!!! All facts.
 
Rellyrell said:
One thing I would want this board to stop saying though; when we see bad chit early on, stop trying to justify it by creating this false narrative that we’re not seeing the “full playbook, yet.”

We said that chit w/ Richt, Enos, & early on w/ Gattis.
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With Werner, and with Nix, and with Whipple too.
 
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skyman said:
Cristobal is the oline coach, Mirabal is just his extension..
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I said it early because, for some reason, this board thinks an O-line fix is immediate.

If you listened to that early-season Mirabal presser, he said these are the players we have, they're not somebody else's; they're ours now. He also alluded to them being a not very confident bunch, and that's a bad way for an OL to take the field.

Read between the lines of coach speak. They were below average for four years, and every year people would come on here and say they weren't worried about them at the beginning of the season. They didn't look too bad against the schools for the blind, but then they were exposed by the more powerful ACC or every-other-year SEC team and the confidence drained like a baloon.
 
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