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Critical Question: How Much Patience?

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Empirical Cane said:
BoT is facing critical question given Manuela's shaky start.

Does Miami have Clemson-like patience to see what Diaz can (or can't) accomplish?

They didn't with Coker, Shannon, or Golden.
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I don’t have patience when the team doesn’t look better each week. I’m okay with some bumps in the road and my expectations have been lowered. But to look as bad as we did is not acceptable
 
miamicanephins said:
Are you saying coker, shannon and golden were fired too soon?
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No. I'm saying they weren't given Dabo/Cower like timelines.

In no way does it say they would have been successful. Fine line between knee jerk reaction and holding on too long.

Tomlin is another good example. Patterson (who just L'd to SMU) as well.
 
Canestomp said:
I'll give him 3 seasons to position himself into this program. After that Manny is on probation. He will either need to string together some signature wins (@Michigan State 2020, @Alabama (basically) & vs. Michigan State 2021, @Texas A&M, @Clemson 2022) or start stacking up divisional/conference trophies and get in the discussion of a CFP berth.

Got to produce. Despite what Shaq Quarterman said at the ACC Media Day--as far as I am concerned--it is a rebuilding year.
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I'll be patient and realistic as possible, but I wont be Job, either
 
For me since he was part of the previous regime he gets a shorter leash. If we have a losing record and miss a bowl game, the leash should be even shorter bc that would be criminal incompetence to have a losing record with the schedule this year.
 
Go Canes!! said:
You think we had a bad game defensively Saturday?
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That 4th quarter was awful--defensively. Penalties were crazy. The PI was bull**** but the lined up in neutral zone, offside, hands to the face; atrocious. Jarren should have had another 2 drives in the 4th quarter.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Dabo came close to firings twice.

Didn't start to "produce" until year 6-7.

Remember, Clemson fans were furious over his hire for YEARS. If memory serves correct, he jumped from position coach to HC.

Was never an OC/DC (i might be wrong).
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You’re correct. Dabo was a WR coach and replaced Tommy Bowden on an interim basis when Bowden left mid-season. Dabo thinks he only kept the job by beating USCe, their rival, in the season finale.

Clemson kept Bowden for nearly a decade without one 10-win season. They weren’t ‘committed to winning’ as the board likes to say. Keeping Dabo after a 6-7 record in his third season proves this.

Clemson got lucky, and now that they’ve experienced what elite success brings to the University they aren’t going back. They understand the return on investment.

Unlike the University of Miami.
 
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Canestomp said:
That 4th quarter was awful--defensively. Penalties were crazy. The PI was bull**** but the lined up in neutral zone, offside, hands to the face; atrocious. Jarren should have had another 2 drives in the 4th quarter.
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I buried that last drive into my subconscious with some hypnosis and a half dozen gummies... to me it never happened
 
Canes1968 said:
4 games isn’t patience. Expecting coaches to be fired after 4 games is stupidity.

Every coach deserves 3 years unless extreme circumstances dictate otherwise. We are nowhere near that.
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Nonsense, you just shift the question to what "extreme" means then.

Unless a coach who hasnt proven anything is actively improving over a year and addressing problem areas positively (golden keeping No D being the prime counter), he should be shown the door. You shouldn't just get a free 3 years no matter what tom foolery is going on. Of course, retarded contract negotiations and settup by this provenly foolish university with a *law* school probably prevents that from becoming the necessary standard.

The past 3 hires have all been about optics, and we only didnt get screwed on the 2nd one with that redic extension because Richt is a class act. **** needs to be about consistent performance and improvement on the field. Not selling out immediatly for the hire that looks good and then praying for 3-4 years that something happens to justify it.
 
Outside of his very first year, he wouldn't survive a 2-10, or 3-9 season. No coach at Miami would, and that wouldn't be impatient. The BOT makes questionable decisions, but they aren't stupid people. There's no recovering from that, "with more time." Hopefully, we never really have to know.

Other than a catastrophic second or third season, Manny will get a 3 or 4 years, which will give him an opportunity to ink a few full recruiting classes and make a round of staff changes. That is plenty patient enough.

I hear the Dabo example, but he had to sell Clemson to a much broader recruiting base than we do. If you aren't winning at Miami after 3 seasons, it's unlikely you turn the corner with a 4th or 5th. We've seen that data 3 times now.
 
simplycanes said:
Outside of his very first year, he wouldn't survive a 2-10, or 3-9 season. No coach at Miami would, and that wouldn't be impatient. The BOT makes questionable decisions, but they aren't stupid people. There's no recovering from that, "with more time." Hopefully, we never really have to know.

Other than a catastrophic second or third season, Manny will get a 3 or 4 years, which will give him an opportunity to ink a few full recruiting classes and make a round of staff changes. That is plenty patient enough.

I hear the Dabo example, but he had to sell Clemson to a much broader recruiting base than we do. If you aren't winning at Miami after 3 seasons, it's unlikely you turn the corner with a 4th or 5th. We've seen that data 3 times now.
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Does Manny have a Chad Morris in his future, that will help revive this program on at least side of the ball?
 
Go Canes!! said:
You think we had a bad game defensively Saturday?
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It continues to look suspect. All due respect to WMU but we should absolutely get after them with what has been the strength of our team the last 3 seasons. We continue to get beat easily, take bad angles, tackle poorly and generally play without discipline. I also don't believe the DC puts our players in the best position to succeed, and that issue seems deeply rooted in the scheme and his defensive philosophy. At the very least, Baker is a poor fit for this team.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
BoT is facing critical question given Manuela's shaky start.

Does Miami have Clemson-like patience to see what Diaz can (or can't) accomplish?

They didn't with Coker, Shannon, or Golden.
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They didn’t with those guys? All those clowns got an extension. Golden was here 5 years? Don’t worry, they’ll give Diaz one after the season.
 
simplycanes said:
Outside of his very first year, he wouldn't survive a 2-10, or 3-9 season. No coach at Miami would, and that wouldn't be impatient. The BOT makes questionable decisions, but they aren't stupid people. There's no recovering from that, "with more time." Hopefully, we never really have to know.

Other than a catastrophic second or third season, Manny will get a 3 or 4 years, which will give him an opportunity to ink a few full recruiting classes and make a round of staff changes. That is plenty patient enough.

I hear the Dabo example, but he had to sell Clemson to a much broader recruiting base than we do. If you aren't winning at Miami after 3 seasons, it's unlikely you turn the corner with a 4th or 5th. We've seen that data 3 times now.
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didnt UM pay a pretty penny to Temple to get Manny outta there? I mean, to me, that alone means he gets a pretty long rope here....
 
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k9cane said:
Does Manny have a Chad Morris in his future, that will help revive this program on at least side of the ball?
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I hope so, getting Clemson to move to an uptempo spread offense completely changed the direction and complexion of the program. Why Miami coaches have been so resistant to embracing this given our recruiting base is baffling. I had hoped Manny had learned from watching his last boss slam a car in reverse but apparently not. Red flag #1.
 
k9cane said:
didnt UM pay a pretty penny to Temple to get Manny outta there? I mean, to me, that alone means he gets a pretty long rope here....
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Not sure how that figure stacks up in the grand scheme of things, i.e. not having to buyout Richt, whatever Cristobal, or any other candidate's, buyout was, etc. It's a sunk cost of doing business.

Everyone's fear is that he, or any coach at UM, gets to a 9 win level and that keeps them around in perpetuity-- close, but never getting there.

That doesn't happen at UM though. When the wheels come off, they're off.

If Diaz is hugging .500 here after 3 seasons, he is do or die come year 4. A 2, 3 or 4 win season any year after his first puts him on the clock immediately. There's no coming back from that. Hope it doesn't happen that way obviously.
 
k9cane said:
Does Manny have a Chad Morris in his future, that will help revive this program on at least side of the ball?
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Good question.

Would love David Yost, but is he too connected to his HC from Utah State/Texas Tech?

Sure looks like a ‘Miami Guy’.

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simplycanes said:
Not sure how that figure stacks up in the grand scheme of things, i.e. not having to buyout Richt, whatever Cristobal, or any other candidate's, buyout was, etc. It's a sunk cost of doing business.

Everyone's fear is that he, or any coach at UM, gets to a 9 win level and that keeps them around in perpetuity-- close, but never getting there.

That doesn't happen at UM though. When the wheels come off, they're off.

If Diaz is hugging .500 here after 3 seasons, he is do or die come year 4. A 2, 3 or 4 win season any year after his first puts him on the clock immediately. There's no coming back from that. Hope it doesn't happen that way obviously.
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I’d say if Diaz is under .500 this season and not willing to make changes, he should be done. UM never forced Golden to change, until they had 58 reasons to fire him. Richt was at least under pressure to fire his son and hire a play-calling OC, or so the rumors said.

If the offense continues to struggle Diaz may be under more pressure to change. After all, he went to bat and hired the first $1M coordinator.
 
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