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Corn's coming back

INCaneFan said:
This would be news if he really was ever a surefire late round draft pick and I'm not sure he would've even been that. He's decent in college, but viewed as much better than his results.

In glad he's coming back, we need him. I just don't see his game translating well at the next level. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Curious what doesn't translate well.

Did he drop a pass this year? Good hands, extremely explosive, etc.

Under used badly is about the only thing I can think of after this year. Probably does have to work a little on his body.
 
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DiegoCane said:
INCaneFan said:
This would be news if he really was ever a surefire late round draft pick and I'm not sure he would've even been that. He's decent in college, but viewed as much better than his results.

In glad he's coming back, we need him. I just don't see his game translating well at the next level. I hope he proves me wrong.
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Curious what doesn't translate well.

Did he drop a pass this year? Good hands, extremely explosive, etc.

Under used badly is about the only thing I can think of after this year. Probably does have to work a little on his body.
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His size and speed aren't ideal. He doesn't have a great nose for the ball and that would negate those two factors somewhat if he did. While some guys his size do well at the next level, they usually have better instincts or speed....sometimes both.

The fellow before you mentioned Shields. Shields had speed, the rest he developed as he never played corner before his last year here. Perhaps someone will see Corn as a worthy gamble due to his return ability or even at running back some mention here. Perhaps with a different scheme, more help up front, he shows out his senior year. I hope he does.
 
INCaneFan said:
BALLHAWKU said:
I under stands why burn left but elder should be a number 1 draft pick next years .
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. He lacks the size and speed to go that high.

Edit: Late third or anywhere in the fourth would be outstanding for him next year.
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Size is the reason I don't think his stock improves after another year here. The combine is where he has a chance to climb imo.....
 
blackvern said:
yall saw what the supposed JOrdan Futch said?

Bruh Jordan Futch here. Why are you guys encouraging these guys like @respect_yo_elder to stay another year. You should be encouraging them to leave. You have to leave to the NFL while your hot. The school makes all that money off of those tickets and return shirts and Corn gets nothing. Bruh listen you have a family it's ok to be selfish go to the NFL make your money and feed your family. Your degree will still be there when your done. Don't listen to these canes fans there selfish and just want to win which is good but you did what you had to do this year now go get paid family![


SMH....hes right about the fans and the school but oh so wrong about everything else leaving to be a 5th round pic does nothing for your family in the long run
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If I was being selfish I'd ask for Artie back first dohhh no offense to Corn.
 
A player should leave if staying does not increase their draft status. Coley and AQM will be throwing money away if they leave now. Kuligowski will make AQM a lot of money this year, if he stays.
 
rascani said:
Tad Footeball said:
Futch should go futch himself. Idiot. The day Canes fans ***** over a legit first or second rounder leaving is the day his comments will be accurate. The difference in guaranteed money between being a second rounder vs a fifth rounder would truly be life changing for these kids whose financial situations would lead them to even consider trying to get paid quicker than they should. Futch playing the "you're being exploited" card won't do a lot of them any good if they never see a second contract and the first one was way less than it could have been.
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It's a tough decision for any kid. Fans love to play the "improve your draft stock" card while agents and family play the "you could blow out your knee" card. If he gets a career ending injury next year playing for Miami for free, then he'll get never get the first contract either.

I think it's appropriate that the NFL draft advisory changed their ratings to 1st round, 2nd round or neither. After the 2nd round, the guaranteed money is pretty much done. You're right that there's a big difference between the 2nd and 5th round money, but not so much between 3rd and 5th or 6th. Here's what the top pick in each round got in guaranteed money last year:

1 - $25m
2 - $4m
3 - $808k
4 - $571k
5 - $247k
6 - $148k
7 - $79k

There is no easy answer, but I can't fault any kid for making the leap no matter what their perceived draft stock is. The draft is a fickle beast and there are no guarantees that a "Neither" turns into a top 64 pick even with a great season. It's a crapshoot either way you go, and you just gotta go with what feels right.
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How many career ending injuries do you see now? Guys like Todd Gurley and a host of others get hurt late and come back very quickly. I'm not comparing Coley to Todd Gurley. Consider him the second round WR version. That's what Coley should be aiming for: a solid 2nd round selection in the 2017 NFL draft. The difference in money between that and potentially going in R4 or R5 this year goes beyond just guaranteed money. It means he's less likely to get cut. It means:

Devin Smith 2015 NFL 2nd Rounder = Almost 6M total value; 3.67M guaranteed

vs

Rashad Greene 2015 NFL 5th Rounder = 2.6M total value; 244k guaranteed

Or, something in between. That's a pretty big gap, though.
 
FSisco7 said:
blackvern said:
yall saw what the supposed JOrdan Futch said?

Bruh Jordan Futch here. Why are you guys encouraging these guys like @respect_yo_elder to stay another year. You should be encouraging them to leave. You have to leave to the NFL while your hot. The school makes all that money off of those tickets and return shirts and Corn gets nothing. Bruh listen you have a family it's ok to be selfish go to the NFL make your money and feed your family. Your degree will still be there when your done. Don't listen to these canes fans there selfish and just want to win which is good but you did what you had to do this year now go get paid family![


SMH....hes right about the fans and the school but oh so wrong about everything else leaving to be a 5th round pic does nothing for your family in the long run
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If I was being selfish I'd ask for Artie back first dohhh no offense to Corn.
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Redwine will likely cover Artie's role better than he would Corn's.
 
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LuCane said:
rascani said:
Tad Footeball said:
Futch should go futch himself. Idiot. The day Canes fans ***** over a legit first or second rounder leaving is the day his comments will be accurate. The difference in guaranteed money between being a second rounder vs a fifth rounder would truly be life changing for these kids whose financial situations would lead them to even consider trying to get paid quicker than they should. Futch playing the "you're being exploited" card won't do a lot of them any good if they never see a second contract and the first one was way less than it could have been.
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It's a tough decision for any kid. Fans love to play the "improve your draft stock" card while agents and family play the "you could blow out your knee" card. If he gets a career ending injury next year playing for Miami for free, then he'll get never get the first contract either.

I think it's appropriate that the NFL draft advisory changed their ratings to 1st round, 2nd round or neither. After the 2nd round, the guaranteed money is pretty much done. You're right that there's a big difference between the 2nd and 5th round money, but not so much between 3rd and 5th or 6th. Here's what the top pick in each round got in guaranteed money last year:

1 - $25m
2 - $4m
3 - $808k
4 - $571k
5 - $247k
6 - $148k
7 - $79k

There is no easy answer, but I can't fault any kid for making the leap no matter what their perceived draft stock is. The draft is a fickle beast and there are no guarantees that a "Neither" turns into a top 64 pick even with a great season. It's a crapshoot either way you go, and you just gotta go with what feels right.
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How many career ending injuries do you see now? Guys like Todd Gurley and a host of others get hurt late and come back very quickly. I'm not comparing Coley to Todd Gurley. Consider him the second round WR version. That's what Coley should be aiming for: a solid 2nd round selection in the 2017 NFL draft. The difference in money between that and potentially going in R4 or R5 this year goes beyond just guaranteed money. It means he's less likely to get cut. It means:

Devin Smith 2015 NFL 2nd Rounder = Almost 6M total value; 3.67M guaranteed

vs

Rashad Greene 2015 NFL 5th Rounder = 2.6M total value; 244k guaranteed

Or, something in between. That's a pretty big gap, though.
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Couldn't some of the guys take out insurance policies like the CB from Oregon did if they slip in the draft next year?
 
Too many kids are leaving early to make Round 4 or 5 money. Yeah, it's a few hundred thousand more in your pocket, no doubt that's helpful short-term but it isn't life changing money if your alternative is completing a college education or even a year of grad school for free.

An underclassmen should go to the NFL when their draft stock is an all but guaranteed spot in the first 2 rounds. That's millions of dollars and better guarantees, signing bonuses, etc. Corn has the ability to improve his position to be a first or second round pick, but if he left now he would be what, a stretch for round 3? He isn't risking all that much coming back if his upside after a strong 2016 is getting in the first two rounds.
 
KevinCaneFace said:
blackvern said:
yall saw what the supposed JOrdan Futch said?

Bruh Jordan Futch here. Why are you guys encouraging these guys like @respect_yo_elder to stay another year. You should be encouraging them to leave. You have to leave to the NFL while your hot. The school makes all that money off of those tickets and return shirts and Corn gets nothing. Bruh listen you have a family it's ok to be selfish go to the NFL make your money and feed your family. Your degree will still be there when your done. Don't listen to these canes fans there selfish and just want to win which is good but you did what you had to do this year now go get paid family![


SMH....hes right about the fans and the school but oh so wrong about everything else leaving to be a 5th round pic does nothing for your family in the long run
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Lol he's right. You have to go to the NFL while your hot. However, despite tons of talent none of these guys are hot. For every Allen Hurns there a thousands of talented guys on practice squads because when cut day comes the guys who a GM used a draft pick on will always survive over the guy who walked on in free agency.
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You are right about being a draft pick and the higher the better. The question is if Corn or anyone goes out early, will they get drafted or end up practice folder free agents. I think Corn is a baller and will have future in NFL but the league loves it's measurables and Corn misses some of them. Another year of big plays on a team that wins more games with a QB EVERYONE is watching in case he comes out early is not a bad place to be.

I was less than 150 feet away from Melvin when he "gave" that leg. I never want to see another Cane sacrifice his career for "another" year IF the money is there for him. Early draft picks get more guarantee money and staying power to cover early learning problems. Old Canes came out with an edge on other players -- NFL knew they were like 3rd year NFL players straight out of THE U. The saying was, if you don't know who to draft, take the player out of Miami at your position of need. Today, our kids some out behind other players because our coaching has sucked so bad. NFL knows they can wait to draft them lower or take as free agent and still get talent.
 
LuCane said:
rascani said:
Tad Footeball said:
Futch should go futch himself. Idiot. The day Canes fans ***** over a legit first or second rounder leaving is the day his comments will be accurate. The difference in guaranteed money between being a second rounder vs a fifth rounder would truly be life changing for these kids whose financial situations would lead them to even consider trying to get paid quicker than they should. Futch playing the "you're being exploited" card won't do a lot of them any good if they never see a second contract and the first one was way less than it could have been.
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It's a tough decision for any kid. Fans love to play the "improve your draft stock" card while agents and family play the "you could blow out your knee" card. If he gets a career ending injury next year playing for Miami for free, then he'll get never get the first contract either.

I think it's appropriate that the NFL draft advisory changed their ratings to 1st round, 2nd round or neither. After the 2nd round, the guaranteed money is pretty much done. You're right that there's a big difference between the 2nd and 5th round money, but not so much between 3rd and 5th or 6th. Here's what the top pick in each round got in guaranteed money last year:

1 - $25m
2 - $4m
3 - $808k
4 - $571k
5 - $247k
6 - $148k
7 - $79k

There is no easy answer, but I can't fault any kid for making the leap no matter what their perceived draft stock is. The draft is a fickle beast and there are no guarantees that a "Neither" turns into a top 64 pick even with a great season. It's a crapshoot either way you go, and you just gotta go with what feels right.
Click to expand...

How many career ending injuries do you see now? Guys like Todd Gurley and a host of others get hurt late and come back very quickly. I'm not comparing Coley to Todd Gurley. Consider him the second round WR version. That's what Coley should be aiming for: a solid 2nd round selection in the 2017 NFL draft. The difference in money between that and potentially going in R4 or R5 this year goes beyond just guaranteed money. It means he's less likely to get cut. It means:

Devin Smith 2015 NFL 2nd Rounder = Almost 6M total value; 3.67M guaranteed

vs

Rashad Greene 2015 NFL 5th Rounder = 2.6M total value; 244k guaranteed

Or, something in between. That's a pretty big gap, though.
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Career ending injuries are certainly less likely with the advances of modern medicine, but they are not eliminated yet. Marcus Lattimore is one that comes to mind instantly. I think there have been a few concussion related early retirements early as well.

In Coley's case in particular, if he gets ANY injury this season, it will kill his stock. He's incredibly talented, but he's inconsistent and already has an injury prone reputation. He might still get a 5th-6th round flyer if it's just minor injuries, but anything major and he could just go undrafted. The 2nd round is definitely a good goal for him, but I think it might be a hard one to attain even with a solid year. As I said before, the draft is fickle. Guys that look like locks to go in the first round go in the third and second rounders slip to day three. Outside of maybe the first couple picks, it is impossible to predict. It truly is a gamble.

Coley would essentially be betting that he has such a great season next year that he'll be one of the top 64 picks. But how good of a year does he need to have to get there? What happens if he gets knicked up? What happens if Brad gets hurt? How is he going to be able to put up good numbers with a backup QB in there? What happens if Richt has a worse doghouse than Golden did and he gets stuck in it? What if some of the better WRs wind up slipping down due to other positions being picked, pushing Coley down too? And if he slips down to that 3rd round, then he won't even get 1m guaranteed. My point is, it's not as cut and dry as "if you're not going to be a second rounder or better, you should come back." There are so many variables that simply cannot be predicted.

I also don't think I agree with the notion that being a higher draft pick necessarily guarantees you'll be less likely to be cut. Being a good player does, but draft status is not always a good indicator of that. To be entirely fair, it really depends on what team he winds up on. Being a Seahawks fan myself, I just saw them cut Cary Williams ten games into a 3 year, 18 million deal. Granted that's FA, not the draft...but some teams tend to cut bait sooner rather than later these days. The rookie cap has also made that much easier to cut bait sooner on the higher picks as well.

And being a late round pick is not a terrible thing. Even the guys that get cut usually wind up on a practice squad and continue to get NFL coaching. NFL coaches have incredibly large egos that think they can take any talented athlete and turn them into stars. If you're a guy like Coley that probably just needs some good coaching to put it all together, then you're going to get your shot. And if you can truly play in the NFL, the second contract will more than make up for that possible lost value on the first.
 
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