Convince me why this guy would be a bad hire...

[AUcane]

Sadly, this kind of guy is not the safe hire the school is looking for. This kind of hire should have been made after Coker or even after Shannon. Not now.

 

[umhurricano]

Need more information, but I would be less concerned about South Florida recruiting and more concerned about coaching South Florida players. From what I have heard a big part of our current problem is that Al and Dorito have trouble even communicating with some of our players. Ice Harris was a great hire, IMO, because he starts to bridge some of that gap, but coaching a bunch of kids from Wisconsin is a lot different than dealing with guys from South Florida.

Definitely think it is an interesting idea, and I agree completely about the leadership part, but different groups require different leadership styles. Schnelly and Jimmy were perfect for the job because they were great leaders with the right style (which partially is my way of saying I don't think race has much to do with it on either side).

When I was at UVA I ran into a former player of Golden's who later was in the NFL. He had really good things to say about Golden but did mention that he was very high energy. I didn't think much of it at the time, but looking back on that comment this guy was almost implying that Golden was a little goofy. It's hard to capture succinctly, but I could see a bunch of South Florida kids saying, "Who the f is this big *** goofy white guy trying to tell us what to do?" As you mentioned, that particular fault is not something Leipold suffers from, but my biggest concern would be whether his leadership style translates.

 

[MizCane]

What's his angle? Some sort of offensive or defensive wonderboy? I doubt he's a screamer like Hudspeth.

A cerebral tactician type. Not a screamer. Obviously an incredible motivator to have his team achieve that sort of level of excellence every single year.

This is a remarkable achievement. Complacency is a very difficult foe.

That's where the true greats separate themselves. Anyone can fluke their way into a successful season or two. But to win 5 NCs in 7 seasons and go 100-6 is truly unbelievable at any level.

My first question would be how is the competition in that teams league/area? I agree that is great success but is it more bc the other teams just suck? For instance I am from KC-Missouri and played on one of the best 6A teams in the state. My school Rockhurst has won around 10 state titles. Just across the state line in KS the football is a complete joke. The school where Darren Sproles went Olathe East had won like 4 straight titles and in Sproles Jr. season they decided they were good enough to test Rockhurst the MO dominant school. Rockhurst won by 3 TD's. Olathe East went on to win the Kansas state championship even though they got beat by Rockhurst by 3TD's. Rockhurst actually lost in the state Championship to a St. Louis team that year too.

Just sayin, they may be the best in a ****** conference/whole state of football thus such a great record.

 

[bambam]

Can he recruit south florida? And how is he at developing talent?

Anyone competent HC at UM can recruit South Florida. There's no magic potion. Put a good, exciting product on the field, develop players, and work hard.

I remember people questioning whether some redneck from Oklahoma State who grew up in Arkansas could recruit S. FL. Both of those rednecks--JJ and Butch--did an incredible job of it.

Franchise,

You're hitting them too hard, Bro. They may not be able understand your logic. I'm with you 100%. JJ, a country boy having the success he had in Miami, but everybody wants the big name, the proven NCAAF coach. Give me a winner cause Miami make the coaches not the other way around.

 

[bambam]

He could be good. But I think that would be too big of jump way too soon. Miami is an entirely different universe from Wisconsin - Whitewater.

No it's not. Like Howard would say, "football is football son." What he means is if you can coach you can coach. Again, think Malzhan, Briles, Pruitt etc. It's not an impossible feat..........though it may be for Fat Al.

 

[bambam]

No, why take a chance on this guy when the Butch is out there. That's why we keep going round in circles then finally backwards for 12 years. Put some money into the program and what you get it back from media money and sponsors. Good coach earns 4,times his salary and have left overs for top class assistants. We cannot afford another experiment.

Good grief. Really? Really?

Do you remember the firebutchdavis banners flying over the OB? Yes, he's a monster recruiter but he still sucked as a game day coach. And, with the negative pub from the fiasco at UNC he is untouchable from UM's standpoint. Not saying he'll do anything bad, but if anything happened on his watch.....the program is doomed. Please move on to a coach not named Butch!

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Lance Leipold. HC at Wisconsin Whitewater. In 7+ seasons at that school his record is an unreal 100-6. He's won 5 National Championships in 7 seasons. He's the fastest HC ever to 100 wins at any level of college football.

With the recent success of HS coaches in high-level D1 football (Malzahn, Briles, Pruitt, and Chad Morris come to mind immediately), I wonder why a guy who is currently enjoying unprecedented success in college football can't be successful at the FCS Power 5 level. I'm of the mindset that if you can get incredible results (e.g. total domination in the form of 5 NCs in 7 years and a 100-6 record) at a lower level of football that means it can translate to higher levels. In other words, if you can coach you can coach.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about guys who have had extraordinary success at lower levels like Malzahn, Briles, Pruitt, Morris and Leipold. I'm not talking about guys who have had decent success.

Your answer Butch Davis

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

The SEC West has two coaches within their division that were HS coaches not that long ago. Those two are currently ranked in the top 5. Either you can coach or you can't, you can either adapt or not. I love the idea of going outside the norm and bringing in a guy who knows how to win but gets little notice because they have been doing it at a lower level. If not this guy then there are a few more just like him waiting to get a shot at the big time.

 

[ibiswi]

I grew up near there so I know a little bit about the program. UW-Whitewater works on a distinct talent advantage every time they play a game at the D3 level because everyone wants to play either there or Mount Union.

D3 programs don't have a limit on players since they don't give scholarships. That is the reason UW-W and Mount Union are in almost every single championship game at that level. They played 6 straight times for the championship.

That said, he is a good coach for that level. I don't really see him as an innovator but what he does works extremely well obviously. I personally think its a big step forward to go from UW-W to Miami. I think there are a ton of guys I'd want more but its an interesting name.

Mount Unions coach who retired in 2012, Larry Kehres, went 332-24-3 at the D3 level. He won 21 conference titles in a row, going 188-1.

I graduated from Whitewater in 1998. The facilities from then to now are night and day. Football stadium is the biggest in DIII or at least it was. There are no DII programs in Wisconsin. Whitewater gets a lot of kids that could walk on at Wisconsin and maybe play or go to Whitewater and be a stud. Whitewater is close to Milwaukee, Madison, and Chicago and for the kids who con't play DI football a great program like Whitewater is the not a bad option.

 

[Dingaan1828]

He could be good. But I think that would be too big of jump way too soon. Miami is an entirely different universe from Wisconsin - Whitewater.

No it's not. Like Howard would say, "football is football son." What he means is if you can coach you can coach. Again, think Malzhan, Briles, Pruitt etc. It's not an impossible feat..........though it may be for Fat Al.

If we are talking about the possibility of Leipold as HC, I'm not seeing an example of anyone jumping from HS, or D-III, straight to a HC job in D-1 FBS. None of those guys listed went directly from HS to HC in college. Maybe there is an example, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[supacane]

No, why take a chance on this guy when the Butch is out there. That's why we keep going round in circles then finally backwards for 12 years. Put some money into the program and what you get it back from media money and sponsors. Good coach earns 4,times his salary and have left overs for top class assistants. We cannot afford another experiment.

Good grief. Really? Really?

Do you remember the firebutchdavis banners flying over the OB? Yes, he's a monster recruiter but he still sucked as a game day coach. And, with the negative pub from the fiasco at UNC he is untouchable from UM's standpoint. Not saying he'll do anything bad, but if anything happened on his watch.....the program is doomed. Please move on to a coach not named Butch!

Yes really Bich. Alot of you talk of this banner flown for Butch. First thing, that more than likely was done by some guy with money to do such. Secondly.... Maybe it did work, maybe it did light a fuse under butch ***. Its the equivalent of being at your job and the boss calls you into the office to let you know, your work gas been sub par and if it doesn't improve he'll have to let you go. You can take that one of two ways. And you mofos always want to quote Butch and banners....oh yeah there was one flown for Randy as well, there was one flown for Ron Zook. Golden is worst than all 3. He is not Butch Davis.

 

[bambam]

No, why take a chance on this guy when the Butch is out there. That's why we keep going round in circles then finally backwards for 12 years. Put some money into the program and what you get it back from media money and sponsors. Good coach earns 4,times his salary and have left overs for top class assistants. We cannot afford another experiment.

Good grief. Really? Really?

Do you remember the firebutchdavis banners flying over the OB? Yes, he's a monster recruiter but he still sucked as a game day coach. And, with the negative pub from the fiasco at UNC he is untouchable from UM's standpoint. Not saying he'll do anything bad, but if anything happened on his watch.....the program is doomed. Please move on to a coach not named Butch!

Yes really Bich. Alot of you talk of this banner flown for Butch. First thing, that more than likely was done by some guy with money to do such. Secondly.... Maybe it did work, maybe it did light a fuse under butch ***. Its the equivalent of being at your job and the boss calls you into the office to let you know, your work gas been sub par and if it doesn't improve he'll have to let you go. You can take that one of two ways. And you mofos always want to quote Butch and banners....oh yeah there was one flown for Randy as well, there was one flown for Ron Zook. Golden is worst than all 3. He is not Butch Davis.

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[Billy D Williams]

If he was the only available option to Golden, then **** yea! But Butch and/or Schiano are the viable options.

 

[DMoney]

Golden going to bowls at Temple was an incredible achievement at the time.

I want someone who knows what elite Southern football looks like. For every Urban Meyer (who understood Florida athletes without having coached them), there is a Golden who can't see past his Northeast/Mid-Atlantic worldview.

 

[Canes2082]

The guy's record is certainly impressive but I would like someone that has at least coached something in D-1.

While Briles, Malzahn and Freese all came from within the High school ranks, they all got their start as position coaches before they became successful HC...

The main question is this

1. Who are realistic D-Coord options if D'Onofrio is let go?
2. Who are realistic HC options if Golden is let go?

 

[bambam]

The guy's record is certainly impressive but I would like someone that has at least coached something in D-1.

While Briles, Malzahn and Freese all came from within the High school ranks, they all got their start as position coaches before they became successful HC...

The main question is this

1. Who are realistic D-Coord options if D'Onofrio is let go?
2. Who are realistic HC options if Golden is let go?

1.**** Bumpas TCU and make him the assistant HC. Force him on AG
2. Get creative!

 

[aelmiami]

He could be good. But I think that would be too big of jump way too soon. Miami is an entirely different universe from Wisconsin - Whitewater.

No it's not. Like Howard would say, "football is football son." What he means is if you can coach you can coach. Again, think Malzhan, Briles, Pruitt etc. It's not an impossible feat..........though it may be for Fat Al.

I think he could be a **** of a coach. But it's foolish to believe he could walk into Miami and win without coaching anywhere in the D1. And college football is all about politicking with the media and local high school coaches. That's where the greatest divide is. Imagine him trying to recruit a kid from Booker T. And his pitch is, 'I won 100 games and the lowest division in CFB.' I don't think that will pull kids here.

 

[The Franchise]

The only real argument against a superior football coach like this is that we'd be better off with the safe hire. The only really safe hire mentioned on this board has been Butch Davis.

We know what Butch can do because he's done it. Butch is a decent technical coach and the best HS to college talent evaluator in history.

Any of the other names mentioned here are a bigger risk than a guy who has done nothing but win. This dude's the ultimate proven winner and leader of men. His question mark would be recruiting and putting together a recruiting staff, which makes Butch Davis the clearly safer alternative.

Another question about this guy is like Diego said Mount Union and UWW basically have a monopoly in D3 football. He's working with the best talent in his league. His predecessor set a great foundation for him.

That doesn't take away from his accomplishments, but it's a concern if he has the ability to do more with less and win games against more talented teams.

Definitely an interesting hire but I don't think he will even be considered

He wouldn't have to do more with less here. He'd have to do what he's doing there--do more with more. The most interesting thing about Leipold is his consistency. Talent can only take you so far. To get that talent playing at a high level every fcking week is an amazing accomplishment.

 

[jw410]

So, why is he still coaching in D-III?

I don't know. Maybe he likes it there. Maybe bigger programs think the same way that some of the people in here think (i.e., He's a D3 guy so he can't do it a higher level).

Jim Harbaugh coached 3 years at D2 San Diego before Stanford grabbed him. Sometimes, you need to be progressive in your thinking when hiring a HC if you can't go to the NFL and convince a guy like Saban to leave the Dolphins.

I've been saying this.. Oregon went to New Hampshire and found Chip Kelly why the f.u.c.k. can't Miami do the same.

 

[FreePawn]

He literally has sanduskied the competition

Ummmmm, no, he hasn´t.