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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

atlCanesFan said:
Because Purdue is in established conference that is looking to expand, without worries of where their affiliation lies in the near future, the teams you mention are holding on to a conference on life support, and do not have a clear outline for their future.
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So because they're already in the B1G... Lmao. That's my entire point. They don't bring anything to the table. They should not receive any MORE MONEY upon a renegotiation than they already do.
 
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rascon said:
I just don’t see the Big 10 getting rid of any of its “legacy” members.
Maybe Rutgers leaves at some point, giving up on FBS altogether if it can’t get a life raft to get out of the hole.
But the Big 10 also rans are not going anywhere (Iowa, Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, etc). Those schools help in the academic area and beyond that, they are needed to help prop up the 3-4 teams at the top.
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The media giants dangle $XBs to SEC and B1G teams to form a super conference and I suspect several weak *** ADs gonna see Gozer the Penetrator ariving at their office .00000001 secs afterwards....

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Calinative said:
So because they're already in the B1G... Lmao. That's my entire point. They don't bring anything to the table. They should not receive any MORE MONEY upon a renegotiation than they already do.
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Purdue is a R-1 research school (there are only 187 schools with this distinction) so they definitely bring something to the table in terms of belonging to the B1G conference.
Having a very high profile MBB also adds to their resume, although for reasons only to be argumentative you chose to ignore.
 
atlCanesFan said:
Purdue is a R-1 research school (there are only 187 schools with this distinction) so they definitely bring something to the table in terms of belonging to the B1G conference.
Having a very high profile MBB also adds to their resume, although for reasons only to be argumentative you chose to ignore.
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He continues to yap about football TV ratings as if that is the only factor to consider IN THE BIG TEN.

Now, that might be a more important factor in the SEC, but the Big Ten brings in a LOT of research money. In addition to football money, of course.
 
Calinative said:
So because they're already in the B1G... Lmao. That's my entire point. They don't bring anything to the table. They should not receive any MORE MONEY upon a renegotiation than they already do.
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Purdue is going nowhere. You can't have all top end programs in a conference or super conference. What I'd like to see end and what I believe would benefit the sport is prohibiting Group of 4 teams from playing lower tier FBS teams and FCS teams.
 
atlCanesFan said:
Purdue is a R-1 research school (there are only 187 schools with this distinction) so they definitely bring something to the table in terms of belonging to the B1G conference.
Having a very high profile MBB also adds to their resume, although for reasons only to be argumentative you chose to ignore.
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I’m waiting for you to list a single thing Purdue is superior at than Duke. And Duke wouldn’t deserve an upgraded payout from where the B1G programs are already receiving
 
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Calinative said:
I’m waiting for you to list a single thing Purdue is superior at than Duke. And Duke wouldn’t deserve an upgraded payout from where the B1G programs are already receiving
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Duke absolutely deserves more money. Research and basketball. AND they won the ACC this past year.

Yes, Miami had all the CFP success. But outside of that, Duke outdid us this year.

Fax.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Duke absolutely deserves more money. Research and basketball. AND they won the ACC this past year.

Yes, Miami had all the CFP success. But outside of that, Duke outdid us this year.

Fax.
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... .And what is Duke making compared to Purdue, and is it at all realistic to predict Duke ever makes more than Purdue in conference distributions by 2035 EVEN IF they gained B1G/SEC Membership.

What I'm saying is so incredibly simple. Duke is a better conference program than Purdue, if we started from scratch today. There are a bunch of other pograms not currently in the SEC+B1G that if started a P2 conference league from scratch would be chosen OVER current B1G+SEC members.

Therefore when the B1G renegotiates its deal, there is no leverage for some of these programs to be receiving equal distributions. the talk SHOULD be about some of these schools getting the boot from these P2 Conferences. But thats not going to happen, but they're lucky that isn't going to happen, as thats the only reason they aren't being left behind/in the B12 or whatever new athletic IVY that gets created when the ACC implodes..... Which is why I'm saying their current distribution amount should just be frozen at current level which is already more than they are worth and more than any acc+b12 team makes and likely will make even by 2035...
 
I’m a capitalist. Equal splits runs counter to everything I believe in. Why not pay out like you pay employees fixed plus bonus. Bonus is tied to a bonus pool of say 20-30% of total revenues. The top performers get most of that 20-30% meaning they could earn a lot more, but everyone still gets that base 70-80%…. Communism doesn’t work.
 
caneingville said:
Purdue football was 35th in attendance last year, while was 88th.

There’s a single thing.
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Okay, I'll see your better attendance for a school that has 3x the enrollment of Duke and I'd counter with:
Duke Basketball is a whole order of magnitude better as a program than Purdue Basketball.
Duke Basketball is in its own stratosphere for Basketball ratings nationally.
Duke as an academic institution is at least on Purdues level, and I believe gets more research money even.
Dukes football results have been a whole order of magnitude better than Purdues (Purdue has 1 8+ win season this decade, Duke has 4 straight).
And I'd bet Duke Football draws better rating than Purdue Football.
And I'm not the biggest College Baseball guy, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Duke Baseball is far superior to Purdue Baseball this decade.

And I'll cap all that off by saying Duke as a program is not worth getting a full share of the distribution at the next SEC/B1G contract level.
 
grover said:
I’m a capitalist. Equal splits runs counter to everything I believe in. Why not pay out like you pay employees fixed plus bonus. Bonus is tied to a bonus pool of say 20-30% of total revenues. The top performers get most of that 20-30% meaning they could earn a lot more, but everyone still gets that base 70-80%…. Communism doesn’t work.
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Oh good lord…it’s not communism…it’s the very definition of risk management. It’s like insurance companies.

You find 18 schools. Some are bigger, some are smaller. They cover a huge swath of geography. Some do more research. Some are better at football. Some are better at basketball. Some have better in-person attendance, some have better TV ratings. And it all works out. Everyone gets more money from the conference from ALL sources than they would have gotten independently.

Instead, some of you act as if the “perfect model” of a conference would involve having 4 or 5 teams that dominate in every way, including revenue payouts. And that’s not how things work. It’s certainly not how things work best.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Oh good lord…it’s not communism…it’s the very definition of risk management. It’s like insurance companies.

You find 18 schools. Some are bigger, some are smaller. They cover a huge swath of geography. Some do more research. Some are better at football. Some are better at basketball. Some have better in-person attendance, some have better TV ratings. And it all works out. Everyone gets more money from the conference from ALL sources than they would have gotten independently.

Instead, some of you act as if the “perfect model” of a conference would involve having 4 or 5 teams that dominate in every way, including revenue payouts. And that’s not how things work. It’s certainly not how things work best.
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Oh good lord, it's not like insurance companies. But your TOC, so I'm not even going to try to argue with you. If you want to believe that, go right ahead.

As far as the perfect model, I have plenty of better models than the "let's all just split the tip jar" one. The two practical options are equal-share or contribution-based share. I recognize bankruptcy of one member hurts all members, so I understand why you need a net. but I still think a contribution-based share establishes the right incentive structure to invest in putting out a quality product.

That's JMHO, partially informed by personal experiences and 300 years of theory and practice of capitalism.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Oh good lord…it’s not communism…it’s the very definition of risk management. It’s like insurance companies.

You find 18 schools. Some are bigger, some are smaller. They cover a huge swath of geography. Some do more research. Some are better at football. Some are better at basketball. Some have better in-person attendance, some have better TV ratings. And it all works out. Everyone gets more money from the conference from ALL sources than they would have gotten independently.

Instead, some of you act as if the “perfect model” of a conference would involve having 4 or 5 teams that dominate in every way, including revenue payouts. And that’s not how things work. It’s certainly not how things work best.
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It’s not 4 or 5…. It’s more like 40. That’s the point. The top 40 can split evenly, absolutely no issue and it’s better for reasons you say.

But the 40-60? I disagree those teams should receive the same distribution. And that makes it a problem when it’s teams in the 40-60 in value or even lower that are already in the P2 (what should be top 40) grouping due to preexisting membership…

I don’t think this is hard. If we started from scratch what would this look like? IMO best case is top 40ish programs for football specifically broken out into its own thing then a pure return to regionally for the rest of NCAA. But realistically they’re best outcome is ACC dies the teams are split between SEC/B1G/B12 but SEC/B1G have the true top 15-20 teams in each that really drive the revenue as the full distribution and the rest get like 70-80% distributions, which WILL STILL be much more than B12 payouts!
 
grover said:
Oh good lord, it's not like insurance companies. But your TOC, so I'm not even going to try to argue with you. If you want to believe that, go right ahead.

As far as the perfect model, I have plenty of better models than the "let's all just split the tip jar" one. The two practical options are equal-share or contribution-based share. I recognize bankruptcy of one member hurts all members, so I understand why you need a net. but I still think a contribution-based share establishes the right incentive structure to invest in putting out a quality product.

That's JMHO, partially informed by personal experiences and 300 years of theory and practice of capitalism.
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The most successful league in professional sports distributes the media revenue equally that being in the NFL. Now all the revenue is not equal as clearly the Cowboys make more money with a bigger stadium and then Jacksonville plus the merch, but the media side for the NFL has helped the NFL thrive so that multiple teams can and do win.
 
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