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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

caneingville said:
They aren’t “blocking” Miami. There isn’t anything to block yet. And even if there was, they could easily be overruled.

They are currently at issue with Miami, nothing more. But like I said, there is no vote to be had yet. By the time there is a vote, the suit could be settled or be in a different disposition.
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I understand all this… but I was directly quoting the post that says:

“The guy with B10 contacts began by stating:
-The B10 is currently IN conversations with 4 short list schools.
-Miami is not one of the 4 schools on that short list during these current discussions.
-Wisconsin is a huge influencer in the B10 and they are CURRENTLY blocking Miami.
-Duke is cozying up to Michigan and "may have sweetened the pot" (ie, willing to join
with either a very small or NO media payout for the next contract).”

So in the legalese and gameship and 4D chess of our Radtastic leadership and 1229 pages, the latest information posted says Wisconsin is blocking Miami.
 
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Gennaker Cane said:
Agree. The only reasons the B1G and SEC want to expand are $$$$ and more playoff teams. If Miami continues to compete, someone will want us if for no other reason than to prevent the other from having us. The B1G is still married to the concept of taking AAU schools, and we are one with a good football pedigree. Genetics is basically full of **** and will change his opinion and pretend he was right all along whenever real information gets leaked by people who do know what the B1G is doing. And the Wisconsin issue can be solved in about 5 minutes once the lawsuit dies with an agreement that the Canes play at Wisconsin as their B1G opener.
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Your description of Genetics is spot on for those doing the same in this thread.
 
Rickd said:
Wisconsin filed a legal action against Miami over the DB that Miami grabbed. Currently is a ****ing match. There is CURRENTLY bad blood between the programs until the issue is settled. However, as has been alluded to in comments above, once it comes time to actually make a CONFERENCE DECISION ... thinking in a time frame of 20 - 30 or more years of new conference structure ... the value of UM to the B10 definitely supersedes a momentary squabble.
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Of course it will… and for all our keeping the conference peace with the lawsuits… we are still in conflict… but for a CB not projected to start over Damari Brown…

Have to admit it is pretty amusing 25k posts in to this **** show!
 
Angry Ibis said:
I understand all this… but I was directly quoting the post that says:

“The guy with B10 contacts began by stating:
-The B10 is currently IN conversations with 4 short list schools.
-Miami is not one of the 4 schools on that short list during these current discussions.
-Wisconsin is a huge influencer in the B10 and they are CURRENTLY blocking Miami.
-Duke is cozying up to Michigan and "may have sweetened the pot" (ie, willing to join
with either a very small or NO media payout for the next contract).”

So in the legalese and gameship and 4D chess of our Radtastic leadership and 1229 pages, the latest information posted says Wisconsin is blocking Miami.
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And to those points I will say that 1) Rad is not leading any of this, and 2) as I said above, we need to take all of these social media / blog platforms with a gigantic grain of salt. Just because they said it does not mean any of it is true, or that it is not exaggerated. You are quoting a post that is paraphrasing a poster’s take of another person’s report of what someone has heard from someone else, who may or may even have correct information, or what may even just be someone’s opinion. It’s all a game of telephone. And none of that take’s away from the facts in my previous post anyway.
 
caneingville said:
And to those points I will say that 1) Rad is not leading any of this, and 2) as I said above, we need to take all of these social media / blog platforms with a gigantic grain of salt. Just because they said it does not mean any of it is true, or that it is not exaggerated. You are quoting a post that is paraphrasing a poster’s take of another person’s report of what someone has heard from someone else, who may or may even have correct information, or what may even just be someone’s opinion. It’s all a game of telephone. And none of that take’s away from the facts in my previous post anyway.
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Agreed on Rad and it’s been fun to see some on this board turn on him later than others…

And

2…. And to my point … includes this thread…
 
Rickd said:
"The situation is fluid" is reality. A lot of schools are in conversations with multiple conferences regarding what happens over the next 5 years in realignment. There ARE some people with legit B10 contacts and one of those is a guy on The B12 Mafia ... who has contacts at a couple of B10 programs. They just did a podcast with TIER RATINGS for a group of schools that are either interested in B10 membership OR are targets or potential targets of the B10 for the next realignment wave.

They did a TIER RANKING broken down by
1. MUST HAVE TARGET
2. PRIMARY TARGET
3. HIGH VALUE FALLBACK
4. STRATEGIC ADD
5. LAST RESORT

The guy with B10 contacts began by stating:
-The B10 is currently IN conversations with 4 short list schools.
-Miami is not one of the 4 schools on that short list during these current discussions.
-Wisconsin is a huge influencer in the B10 and they are CURRENTLY blocking Miami.
-Duke is cozying up to Michigan and "may have sweetened the pot" (ie, willing to join
with either a very small or NO media payout for the next contract).

TIER RANKINGS:
1. MUST HAVE: ND (Fox/CBS/NBC have stated that ND is worth $400million to the B10 ... enough to cover
the media payout to ND +3 other programs).

2. PRIMARY TARGET: UNC, MIAMI, FSU (Board of Governors is a problem), Clemson

3. HIGH VALUE FALLBACK: Stanford, Duke, Ga Tech

4. STRATEGIC ADDS: Kansas, AZ State, Virginia

5. LAST RESORT: Cal, Utah, Va Tech, Colorado

The TIER RANKINGS are presented as the B10 evaluation of WHO they would like .... THEN the B12 Mafia panel discussed their opinions of the realistic chances of what might actually happen, due to the SEC potentially grabbing 4 or more programs.

-SEC potential: UNC, FSU, UVA, +1
-ACC potential: ND, Clemson, Miami, Ga Tech (or Duke)

They have heard that ND is lobbying strongly for Clemson and ND carries weight with the B10 presidents ... whether they join now or potentially later on as an eventual requirement to have access to the CFP.

One of the B12 Mafia panelists is into "statistics" and had a media evaluation that was done by a network 3 years ago that used a variety of metrics to establish a TIER RATING of B10 expansion candidates at that time:

Tier 1. ND
Tier 2. UNC, OR, FSU, WA
Tier 3. Clemson, Miami, UT, Stanford Cal
Tier 4, 5 not listed

Reportedly the B10 presidents in general are NOT really comfortable with FSU due to it being a public university at the whim of the Board of Governors. In general they feel more comfortable with Miami, a private university, with a great airport, tremendous hotel and tourist infrastructure, and large market (with the caveat that Wisconsin is currently an issue with Miami).

Neither UCF or USF appear on ANY list for the next wave of P2 expansion.
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If Miami is not one of the 4 current schools on the B1G short list, why did they list Miami in the "Primary Target" tier? Shouldn't Miami be in the "High Value Fallback" tier in this case?

Why are B1G presidents worried about FSU being a state school? Of their 18 members, 16 are state schools. In their last expansion, they brought in 2 more state schools. I mean if they listed FSU not being an AAU member as a reason for B1G presidents not wanting them, that is understandable. If so, what about Clemson?

This is why these rumors are always questionable, the reasoning just doesn't make sense.
 
Warrior808 said:
Every conference needs villains, it’s good for business. TV, attendance, excitement etc all improve vs a conference of flowers and rainbows. We make the perfect bad guy in the BIG.

Our hate watch numbers last year were fantastic.
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Yes, after the VT missed Hail Mary and the miracle comeback at Cal, the Miami hate was so back for a while.
 
Angry Ibis said:
Agreed on Rad and it’s been fun to see some on this board turn on him later than others…

And

2…. And to my point … includes this thread…
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100% agree. It’s fun to speculate based on all the buzz, but the only real facts we have are based on what came out of the ACC settlement and other things like that. And we all know there is a huge difference between legitimate sources that have been journalists in the industry for years, and these fan sites and podcasts that are a dime a dozen nowadays.
 
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caneingville said:
100% agree. It’s fun to speculate based on all the buzz, but the only real facts we have are based on what came out of the ACC settlement and other things like that. And we all know there is a huge difference between legitimate sources that have been journalists in the industry for years, and these fan sites and podcasts that are a dime a dozen nowadays.
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We’re pretty much on the same page.

Miami to the B1GSECXII!!! Go go go!!!
 
Rickd said:
"The situation is fluid" is reality. A lot of schools are in conversations with multiple conferences regarding what happens over the next 5 years in realignment. There ARE some people with legit B10 contacts and one of those is a guy on The B12 Mafia ... who has contacts at a couple of B10 programs. They just did a podcast with TIER RATINGS for a group of schools that are either interested in B10 membership OR are targets or potential targets of the B10 for the next realignment wave.

They did a TIER RANKING broken down by
1. MUST HAVE TARGET
2. PRIMARY TARGET
3. HIGH VALUE FALLBACK
4. STRATEGIC ADD
5. LAST RESORT

The guy with B10 contacts began by stating:
-The B10 is currently IN conversations with 4 short list schools.
-Miami is not one of the 4 schools on that short list during these current discussions.
-Wisconsin is a huge influencer in the B10 and they are CURRENTLY blocking Miami.
-Duke is cozying up to Michigan and "may have sweetened the pot" (ie, willing to join
with either a very small or NO media payout for the next contract).

TIER RANKINGS:
1. MUST HAVE: ND (Fox/CBS/NBC have stated that ND is worth $400million to the B10 ... enough to cover
the media payout to ND +3 other programs).

2. PRIMARY TARGET: UNC, MIAMI, FSU (Board of Governors is a problem), Clemson

3. HIGH VALUE FALLBACK: Stanford, Duke, Ga Tech

4. STRATEGIC ADDS: Kansas, AZ State, Virginia

5. LAST RESORT: Cal, Utah, Va Tech, Colorado

The TIER RANKINGS are presented as the B10 evaluation of WHO they would like .... THEN the B12 Mafia panel discussed their opinions of the realistic chances of what might actually happen, due to the SEC potentially grabbing 4 or more programs.

-SEC potential: UNC, FSU, UVA, +1
-ACC potential: ND, Clemson, Miami, Ga Tech (or Duke)

They have heard that ND is lobbying strongly for Clemson and ND carries weight with the B10 presidents ... whether they join now or potentially later on as an eventual requirement to have access to the CFP.

One of the B12 Mafia panelists is into "statistics" and had a media evaluation that was done by a network 3 years ago that used a variety of metrics to establish a TIER RATING of B10 expansion candidates at that time:

Tier 1. ND
Tier 2. UNC, OR, FSU, WA
Tier 3. Clemson, Miami, UT, Stanford Cal
Tier 4, 5 not listed

Reportedly the B10 presidents in general are NOT really comfortable with FSU due to it being a public university at the whim of the Board of Governors. In general they feel more comfortable with Miami, a private university, with a great airport, tremendous hotel and tourist infrastructure, and large market (with the caveat that Wisconsin is currently an issue with Miami).

Neither UCF or USF appear on ANY list for the next wave of P2 expansion.
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Imma keep it real; this seems like a ChatGPT response b/c it’s filled w contradictions:

So Miami is not on the short list of 4 teams The B1G wants, but at the same time Miami is a priority for The B1G?

FSU is in Tier 2 of B1G expansion rankings, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY B1G presidents not being comfortable with inviting them due to FSU being a public university, ALTHOUGH the B1G is literally filled with public universities??

In the meantime, The B1G is more comfortable w Miami for being a small private school b/c of Expedia.com amenities, EVEN THOUGH Miami is not on the short list as far as being a priority into the conference???!

Holy garble of manure, Batman!
 
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Rellyrell said:
Imma keep it real; this seems like a ChatGPT response b/c it’s filled w contradictions:

So Miami is not on the short list of 4 teams The B1G wants, but at the same time Miami is a priority for The B1G?

FSU is in Tier 2 of B1G expansion rankings WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY B1G presidents not being comfortable with them for being a public university, although the B1G is literally filled with public universities??

In the meantime, The B1G is more comfortable w Miami for being a small private school due to Expedia.com amenities, EVEN THOUGH Miami is not on the short list as far as priority into the conference???!

Holy garble of manure, Batman!
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batman and robin running GIF
 
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CaneinBroward said:
If Miami is not one of the 4 current schools on the B1G short list, why did they list Miami in the "Primary Target" tier? Shouldn't Miami be in the "High Value Fallback" tier in this case?

Why are B1G presidents worried about FSU being a state school? Of their 18 members, 16 are state schools. In their last expansion, they brought in 2 more state schools. I mean if they listed FSU not being an AAU member as a reason for B1G presidents not wanting them, that is understandable. If so, what about Clemson?

This is why these rumors are always questionable, the reasoning just doesn't make sense.
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The reason Big 10 presidents are concerned about FSU being a state school .... in the State of Florida .... is that the State of Florida Board of Governors just BLOCKED Santa Ono's appointment as the new president of the University of Florida ... and Santa Ono is the former president of the University of Michigan. They view getting involved with FSU as being potentially problematic for ANY issues with the State of Florida and want to avoid conflict.

As far as the TIER RANKINGS ... that is the opinion of the 3 guys that run the Big 12 Mafia podcast. They don't have the full list of the 4 "short list" candidates currently in talks ... they have only been told that ND is one school and that Miami "is currently not" but they do believe Miami is a primary target as far as the OVERALL REALIGNMENT picture is concerned with the B10 due to the fact that at least some of the schools the B10 IS interested in will not be available due to the SEC stepping in. Miami is too valuable to lose.
 
Empirical Cane said:
UCF is the largest university in US.

If they were to ever get their act together in football...

I'm not so sure Miami's brand value has that big and deep a moat around it...
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I said that about Stanford a few months ago and got laughed at.
Now look at the moves they’ve made since that post.

Money, power and will are all it takes for several long term middling schools to become relevant again. Just look at SMU and TT.
 
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