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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

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Rickd said:
Realistically, the B10 schools HELPED Miami attain AAU accreditation a few years ago ... along with ND. There are "rumors" all over the place ... but a couple have been "Miami +1 to the B10 and then the SEC takes 4 (FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA) and they are both done at 20."
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I think the Big10 presidents want Miami for their research standards but network executives would prefer FSU who have numbers with their large alumni base.

FSU is trying to improve there attractiveness by focusing more on the non-revenue sports as their football team flounders.
 
Imukat said:
I think the Big10 presidents want Miami for their research standards but network executives would prefer FSU who have numbers with their large alumni base.

FSU is trying to improve there attractiveness by focusing more on the non-revenue sports as their football team flounders.
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We need to stop obsessing about this "network executives" bull**** and comparing ourselves to F$U.

First, on the "network executives" level, Miami is an absolute take. Not only do we do strong numbers in South Florida, but we will be a ratings "enhancement" on any Big 10 games that are played. Simply stated, many midwesterners have relocated to SoFla, and there is a natural interest in the Big 10 schools playing Miami that simply doesn't exist (yet) with F$U.

Second, even on the "marginally better" numbers that F$U may have in the ratings, one can easily see that two of their most desirable games are the annual rivalry games with Miami and Florida. Those games will continue no matter what conference UM-FSU go to: (a) if same-conference, F$U will maintain the annual UF game; (b) if F$U goes to the SEC, they will maintain the annual UM game. Also, I would point out that F$U has "stronger rivalries" in the ACC than Miami does (longer ACC tenure) and has been more successful (on-field) more recently. If Miami starts making the CFP playoffs, I'd expect the "ratings advantage" that F$U currently holds to disappear, regardless of "their large alumni base".

Third, the one factor that will NOT be dictated by "network executives" is whether the Big 10 presidents will accept a non-AAU school. So far, that is a non-negotiable, and something that UM offers that F$U cannot. More importantly, nobody knows when/if F$U will even be considered for AAU membership, let alone be selected.

In short, not all of these "factors" are identical or comparable or meaningful.

Miami is far higher in the Big 10 pecking order than F$U is. And that will not change based on "improving non-revenue sports".
 
Imukat said:
I think the Big10 presidents want Miami for their research standards but network executives would prefer FSU who have numbers with their large alumni base.

FSU is trying to improve there attractiveness by focusing more on the non-revenue sports as their football team flounders.
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Also, in addition to what TOC said above, keep in mind that all the network numbers that have been shown thus far were Nielsen’s data, which have never included ACC Network data. Yet, we were still THIRD and not far behind FSU and Clemson in ratings, despite most of our games being played on the ACC Network/ESPN+ networks. We can expect the numbers to be evened out once they are appropriately measured, which I believe may begin happening this year.
 
3FW said:
SEC now on record as supporting 5+11. Big 10 is going to hate that.
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Seems much fairer (to me at least) than a guarantee of 4 spots each for SEC and Big teams. But will all depend upon the selection criteria.
 
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CaneinBroward said:
True. Whether it's one at large or 11 at large bids, the SEC will always think their members should be in based on "strength of schedule".
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Which is literally rigged going into the season. ESPN's preseason poll has 5 SEC, 4 BiG, 4 Big 12, 2 ACC (Clemson and SMU) and Notre Dame in their Top 16. No Miami. There are another 4 SEC teams in the Top 17-25, so that Strength of Schedule bias will be almost impossible to displace throughout the season, with 9 of the top 25 teams in the SEC.
 
grover said:
Which is literally rigged going into the season. ESPN's preseason poll has 5 SEC, 4 BiG, 4 Big 12, 2 ACC (Clemson and SMU) and Notre Dame in their Top 16. No Miami. There are another 4 SEC teams in the Top 17-25, so that Strength of Schedule bias will be almost impossible to displace throughout the season, with 9 of the top 25 teams in the SEC.
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Exactly. This is why the whole "earn it on the field" argument falls flat. The P2 are playing with a loaded deck. The institution is set up to ensure those two continue to dominate. And for those of us who hate watching UF play bethune in week 10 or miami playing 3 OOC games vs central michigan, toledo, and famu... the 5 - 11 model encourages just that. Why play ND in a kickoff game and have gators come in 2 weeks later when that increases your probability to lose and get knocked out of playoffs instead of playing a ND schedule like last year and ending up 11-1 with a stronger playoff position. Everyone wants better schedules of us playing big rivals. That 5 - 11 model encourages the opposite.
 
grover said:
Which is literally rigged going into the season. ESPN's preseason poll has 5 SEC, 4 BiG, 4 Big 12, 2 ACC (Clemson and SMU) and Notre Dame in their Top 16. No Miami. There are another 4 SEC teams in the Top 17-25, so that Strength of Schedule bias will be almost impossible to displace throughout the season, with 9 of the top 25 teams in the SEC.
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Wait I just saw an ESPN preseason poll that has us at #9. Which poll are you talking about?
 
Canesfan1993 said:
Exactly. This is why the whole "earn it on the field" argument falls flat. The P2 are playing with a loaded deck. The institution is set up to ensure those two continue to dominate. And for those of us who hate watching UF play bethune in week 10 or miami playing 3 OOC games vs central michigan, toledo, and famu... the 5 - 11 model encourages just that. Why play ND in a kickoff game and have gators come in 2 weeks later when that increases your probability to lose and get knocked out of playoffs instead of playing a ND schedule like last year and ending up 11-1 with a stronger playoff position. Everyone wants better schedules of us playing big rivals. That 5 - 11 model encourages the opposite.
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Both models suck. Choosing between 5-11 and 4-4-2-2-1 if you aren’t the SEC or Big 10 is like choosing whether you want to be put to death by electric chair or by firing squad. The fact that they are trying to sell either of these is just slimy and gross, and I can’t believe people are falling for it.
 
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caneingville said:
Both models suck. Choosing between 5-11 and 4-4-2-2-1 if you aren’t the SEC or Big 10 is like choosing whether you want to be put to death by electric chair or by firing squad. The fact that they are trying to sell either of these is just slimy and gross, and I can’t believe people are falling for it.
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I agree but I'd argue 5-11 is way more volatile and allows for putting fingers on the scale vs 4-4-2-2-1-3 which is less dependent on a bias committee and polls but more set in stone. Either way you're screwed but 5-11 just accelerates the end game imo.
 
Canesfan1993 said:
I agree but I'd argue 5-11 is way more volatile and allows for putting fingers on the scale vs 4-4-2-2-1-3 which is less dependent on a bias committee and polls but more set in stone. Either way you're screwed but 5-11 just accelerates the end game imo.
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Seems like it is better to be part of the Power 2 than outside it.
 
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