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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Jonnyblaze said:
It’s easy to say the ACC/Big 12 should hard line the P2, but that doesn’t work well when you have zero leverage. If they don’t take the two auto bids in the new format, the P2 will for sure pilfer off every half decent brand left and kill both conferences for good. What’s better, to be at the rear of the pack, or out of the race altogether?
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You don't think that's going to happen whether or not the ACC & Big XII decide to play nice?
 
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Jonnyblaze said:
Probably will, but it’s a guarantee if they try to buck up.
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I think it's guaranteed no matter what, just a matter of when. At this point, the ACC & Big XII do have a tiny bit of leverage in that they have some brands worth something.....for now. In 3 -5 years, they probably won't have that leverage any more.

Personally, I'd find it interesting to see Yormark and Phillips go on the offensive and publicly call out the SEC/B1G for wanting auto bids other than their conference champ. If the P2 are head and shoulders above the Big XII and ACC (and they are), they will get more playoff participants voted in by the playoff committee - no auto bids required.
 
GhostRecon_Cane said:
The paranoid/conspiracy theorist side of me …thinks there is a united effort to keep miami out of both the B1G and the SEC so that the school can slowly fade into obscurity and the fertile recruiting pool is theirs for the taking completely
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Realistically, the B10 schools HELPED Miami attain AAU accreditation a few years ago ... along with ND. There are "rumors" all over the place ... but a couple have been "Miami +1 to the B10 and then the SEC takes 4 (FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA) and they are both done at 20."
 
Rickd said:
Realistically, the B10 schools HELPED Miami attain AAU accreditation a few years ago ... along with ND. There are "rumors" all over the place ... but a couple have been "Miami +1 to the B10 and then the SEC takes 4 (FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVA) and they are both done at 20."
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Man imagine this scenario:

Big: Miami + ND
Sec: FSU + Clem + UNC + UVA

Feels like the death blow to all other conferences in terms of football. I don't know that there'd be a legitimate football brand in any conference outside the big/sec.
 
What are the chances that Yormack can talk the ACC into a merger of some type? Honestly think that’s the only hope of those conferences staying alive. I think some ACC schools COULD still leave, but honestly not sure the P2 REALLY want to expand unless it makes significantly more money.

Give the new conference 4 autobids, give the P2 5 bids each and then you have 2 bids left to the top G5 and ND/P2 leftover.

This is not to say I think Miami could or should stay in the proposed new merged conference. I don’t.

But I also don’t know if the P2 want to expand by 4-6 teams either.
 
CaneinBroward said:
I think it's guaranteed no matter what, just a matter of when. At this point, the ACC & Big XII do have a tiny bit of leverage in that they have some brands worth something.....for now. In 3 -5 years, they probably won't have that leverage any more.

Personally, I'd find it interesting to see Yormark and Phillips go on the offensive and publicly call out the SEC/B1G for wanting auto bids other than their conference champ. If the P2 are head and shoulders above the Big XII and ACC (and they are), they will get more playoff participants voted in by the playoff committee - no auto bids required.
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Think most people misunderstand who wants the auto bids. The SEC would be just fine with all 16 spots being at large bids. Espn and fox want guarantees on their investment. Also miami will be in the Big10 eventually. Timing is the factor and im not sure anyone knows the answer yet as other things like house settlement need to be worked out first. Wont be till 27 season at earliest.
 
Canesrule230 said:
Man imagine this scenario:

Big: Miami + ND
Sec: FSU + Clem + UNC + UVA

Feels like the death blow to all other conferences in terms of football. I don't know that there'd be a legitimate football brand in any conference outside the big/sec.
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Canesfan1993 said:
Think most people misunderstand who wants the auto bids. The SEC would be just fine with all 16 spots being at large bids. Espn and fox want guarantees on their investment. Also miami will be in the Big10 eventually. Timing is the factor and im not sure anyone knows the answer yet as other things like house settlement need to be worked out first. Wont be till 27 season at earliest.
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Yes, I agree the networks have an interest in auto bids for their conference partners, but don't fool yourself in thinking the SEC would be okay with all 16 spots being at large bids. Any conference would want as many auto bids as possible. They want guarantees as much as the networks.

The ACC & Big XII basically screwed the pooch last year by agreeing to the tiered payout system for the playoff. They should have held out for an equal base payment for the P4 conferences and additional money paid out for each team that makes the playoff. Would the SEC & B1G have gone out on their own? Maybe, and if so, the college football fanbase may have gone along with it, but I'm not so sure about that. What I do know is the ACC and Big XII started their own demise as major conferences by agreeing to the tiered payout and if they go along with the proposed auto bid set up, it will just speed up the process.
 
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CaneinBroward said:
Yes, I agree the networks have an interest in auto bids for their conference partners, but don't fool yourself in thinking the SEC would be okay with all 16 spots being at large bids. Any conference would want as many auto bids as possible. They want guarantees as much as the networks.

The ACC & Big XII basically screwed the pooch last year by agreeing to the tiered payout system for the playoff. They should have held out for an equal base payment for the P4 conferences and additional money paid out for each team that makes the playoff. Would the SEC & B1G have gone out on their own? Maybe, and if so, the college football fanbase may have gone along with it, but I'm not so sure about that. What I do know is the ACC and Big XII started their own demise as major conferences by agreeing to the tiered payout and if they go along with the proposed auto bid set up, it will just speed up the process.
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If it was in a vacuum yes but they don't have a scenario where they could get 4 autobids and the rest be at large. Fact is, historically, if there were 16 at large bids that the SEC would get more teams in, on an average, than they will if they are guaranteed 4 spots and only have a shot at 3 at large and really 2 in years that ND is good. The original proposal the SEC suggested did just that and had no auto bids and was true straight seating based on CFP finish. The big 10 was the one who originally presented the 4 bid model over a year ago at behest of their partners. Once this format gets approved, and it will, you will see the scheduling announcements quickly follow. Both the Big10 and SEC have plans for a championship weekend with multiple games vs just a championship and all that will drive more $ to their schools. The SEC knows the rankings play in their favor and their media apparatus does a great job of protecting the brand. Has anyone else notice that they are still bringing up the "alabama snub" on multiple platforms in preparation for the power move thats coming? This is a war for public and congressional opinion and the SEC, in particular, is perfectly equipped to fight that battle.
 
rascon said:
What are the chances that Yormack can talk the ACC into a merger of some type? Honestly think that’s the only hope of those conferences staying alive. I think some ACC schools COULD still leave, but honestly not sure the P2 REALLY want to expand unless it makes significantly more money.

Give the new conference 4 autobids, give the P2 5 bids each and then you have 2 bids left to the top G5 and ND/P2 leftover.

This is not to say I think Miami could or should stay in the proposed new merged conference. I don’t.

But I also don’t know if the P2 want to expand by 4-6 teams either.
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The issue with that is if they have those conversations and actually move forward with negotiation then that probably gives the big brands a clean out to move right now.

For the Big 12, that's not a big deal because they likely don't lose any brands. So they'd probably be all about it.

For the ACC, you're basically dismantling yourself 3-4 years earlier than expected so why move forward with that?

So at this point you just say let's hang on until 2030 and then we can merge with the Big 12 once the big brands leave. Then we position ourselves as somewhat respectable 3rd conference that is all about parity.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
Man, I don't want to have to go to games in the cold and snow!
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At the very most that would be 2 and outside chance of 3, assuming that the scheduling had 2 or 3 away games in November. Conversely you would have northern schools playing in high humidity with our home games. It will all even out.
 
atlCanesFan said:
At the very most that would be 2 and outside chance of 3, assuming that the scheduling had 2 or 3 away games in November. Conversely you would have northern schools playing in high humidity with our home games. It will all even out.
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Not for nothing, it's really not all that cold in early November up here anyways. When Miami came up here to BC it was a sunny 47 degree day. Was actually a perfect football day. You get the one off snowfall every once in a while in late November but its usually not that bad as far as temp goes.
 
RealRussellPumps said:
Not for nothing, it's really not all that cold in early November up here anyways. When Miami came up here to BC it was a sunny 47 degree day. Was actually a perfect football day. You get the one off snowfall every once in a while in late November but its usually not that bad as far as temp goes.
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Boston isn’t the same as the Midwest. They get colder later because of the gulf stream and because most polar blasts come down from Canada from NW to SE.

I’ve seen snow in Ohio in October. Heck, two of the 1997 World Series games in 1997 were played in snow fall, in October.
I went to Grand Forks ND for Thanksgiving in 1985, roughly 4 hours NW of Minneapolis. 30 degrees below zero blizzard the entire T-Day weekend with a foot of snow.
Purdue, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Iowa etc., can all experience arctic conditions in November. Not every year, but can.
 
On what basis does the Big 12 think they deserve anything similar to the ACC in terms of $$ or CFP slots. If I am the ACC, I am using a lot of data to justify a 3rd slot (4-4-3-2-1) with 2 auto bids for the next 5 years before the whole thing blows up.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
Boston isn’t the same as the Midwest. They get colder later because of the gulf stream and because most polar blasts come down from Canada from NW to SE.

I’ve seen snow in Ohio in October. Heck, two of the 1997 World Series games in 1997 were played in snow fall, in October.
I went to Grand Forks ND for Thanksgiving in 1985, roughly 4 hours NW of Minneapolis. 30 degrees below zero blizzard the entire T-Day weekend with a foot of snow.
Purdue, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Iowa etc., can all experience arctic conditions in November. Not every year, but can.
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Live in Chicago area. Weather has definitely changed since the 1990s. The elements you describe in second paragraph are very rare here (especially in October or November). I can't remember the last time I've seen that much snow or arctic weather in early winter. MN would be the greatest risk.
 
AuoraCane said:
Live in Chicago area. Weather has definitely changed since the 1990s. The elements you describe in second paragraph are very rare here (especially in October or November). I can't remember the last time I've seen that much snow or arctic weather in early winter. MN would be the greatest risk.
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I live in Michigan and agree. We tailgate a lot of MSU games with friends and very rarely do we miss due to weather.
 
Canesrule230 said:
Man imagine this scenario:

Big: Miami + ND
Sec: FSU + Clem + UNC + UVA

Feels like the death blow to all other conferences in terms of football. I don't know that there'd be a legitimate football brand in any conference outside the big/sec.
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The state of North Carolina is doubling down on legislation that makes it hard for their state schools to leave the ACC…. I’m not saying they won’t leave, but they’ve got extra red tape compared to every other ACC school not in North Carolina
 
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