MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

Given that these conversations have transpired OVER YEARS, I feel confident that any upcoming announcement that pre-dates the passage of the bill should be adequate.

Unless the expansion police are called, and they come out to put a couple of university presidents in "violation of a civil law" jail.

Honestly, what can the government do? What's next, Congress passes a bill to break up the SEC like they are Standard Oil?

Conversations over YEARS…

Yet Joe E can’t tweet it out TOMORROW…

So what’s the hold up? First it was Nil… then it was WASH…then it was FSU lawsuit… now it’s the out of THIN AIR Ted Cruz legislatok

GO CANES
 
Given that these conversations have transpired OVER YEARS, I feel confident that any upcoming announcement that pre-dates the passage of the bill should be adequate.

Unless the expansion police are called, and they come out to put a couple of university presidents in "violation of a civil law" jail.

Honestly, what can the government do? What's next, Congress passes a bill to break up the SEC like they are Standard Oil?

SEC is more corrupt than Standard Oil...
 
Conversations over YEARS…

Yet Joe E can’t tweet it out TOMORROW…

So what’s the hold up? First it was Nil… then it was WASH…then it was FSU lawsuit… now it’s the out of THIN AIR Ted Cruz legislatok

GO CANES


I don't even understand your gripe here. What, that unexpected events transpired? That's life.
 
Conversations over YEARS…

Yet Joe E can’t tweet it out TOMORROW…

So what’s the hold up? First it was Nil… then it was WASH…then it was FSU lawsuit… now it’s the out of THIN AIR Ted Cruz legislatok

GO CANES
You do realize that the entire realignment scenario has been changing almost daily due primarily to media partner pressures / concerns /issues combined with the "P2" conflicts regarding finalizing the CFP format going forward. These are all programming related issues that impact the $$ that media partners can pay conferences in reworked media agreements ... the foundation concerns period regarding realignment. A school can't just "go" because a conference wants them ... it has to be a coordinated "agreement" between all parties and the media side just isn't ready for that next move yet. It will happen .. and the govt might be forcing some action sooner than other parties had wanted. We will see soon.
 
You do realize that the entire realignment scenario has been changing almost daily due primarily to media partner pressures / concerns /issues combined with the "P2" conflicts regarding finalizing the CFP format going forward. These are all programming related issues that impact the $$ that media partners can pay conferences in reworked media agreements ... the foundation concerns period regarding realignment. A school can't just "go" because a conference wants them ... it has to be a coordinated "agreement" between all parties and the media side just isn't ready for that next move yet. It will happen .. and the govt might be forcing some action sooner than other parties had wanted. We will see soon.


Yes.

And if "none of that ****" had happened, we would have announced for the Big 10 already.

But...**** happens...
 
What a joyous day it will be when the spaghetti finally sticks to the wall. Isn't it about time we have the annual July 1st countdown on this thread?

Hopefully we can at least quit pretending the term "done deal" has never been used in this thread.
this thread WILL NOT stop until the ticker hits #100,000.

I have spoken*.




*what would we do with ourselves!!??
 
this thread WILL NOT stop until the ticker hits #100,000.

I have spoken*.




*what would we do with ourselves!!??
Oh, this thread will go on no matter what. lol

Wherever the landing point will be, how long will the honeymoon last before we're ****ing and moaning about how the Midwestern Mafia or nouveau Confederates are ****ing over our beloved Canes?
 
this thread WILL NOT stop until the ticker hits #100,000.

I have spoken*.




*what would we do with ourselves!!??
Oh, this thread will go on no matter what. lol

Wherever the landing point will be, how long will the honeymoon last before we're ****ing and moaning about how the Midwestern Mafia or nouveau Confederates are ****ing over our beloved Canes?
A millisecond on this site.
 
Oh, this thread will go on no matter what. lol

Wherever the landing point will be, how long will the honeymoon last before we're ****ing and moaning about how the Midwestern Mafia or nouveau Confederates are ****ing over our beloved Canes?

Joe E didn’t outright say we were leaving for the P2, he said we are positioning ourselves for the next contract. That very likely means leaving for the P2 but he’s a businessman and I think he’s smart enough to figure out the best solution.

But….

There is also a setup where the ACC grows a pair and sets up a conference model that actually exceeds the P2 payouts by up to 40 million per year to the top teams- and it even allows ND to keep its independent status in football.

How? Well it involves dropping the deadweight from ACC like BC and then adding a handful of the top drawing Big12 teams. Don’t think the Big12 teams have any special loyalty to their conference and would jump at the chance to double their payouts.


My Masters Thesis

Title:

“We’re rich, *****!” aka“How I learned to love the ACC”

The P2 gap isn't a brand problem; it's an **inventory dilution** problem. Networks are bleeding cash on 20-team mega-leagues where half the games draw under 500k viewers. By executing the ultimate legal extortion, protecting Notre Dame's prized independence, and forcing a desperate network bidding war, a 16-team configuration secures a **$1.41 Billion pool** to match the Big Ten and SEC financial ceilings.

### The 16-Team Super-League Lineup
* **The Flagships:** Miami, Florida State, Clemson

* **The Independent Partner:** Notre Dame (Locked-in 8-game scheduling block)

* **The Premium Adds:** North Carolina, Utah, Oklahoma State

* **The Football Depth:** West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, UCF, Cincinnati

### The Escape & The Network Leverage

ESPN has the ACC locked into a dirt-cheap contract through 2036. They won't renegotiate nicely, so the flagships force their hand by weaponizing the **Nuclear Option**:
1. **The Supermajority Loophole:** Miami, FSU, Clemson, and the top football brands band together to get a voting supermajority. They vote to completely **dissolve the ACC**. Because the conference legally dies, the old contract and the restrictive Grant of Rights instantly vaporize. Every flagship becomes an unrestricted free agent.
2. **The Fox "Trojan Horse" Threat:** The newly freed flagships immediately go to Fox Sports. Fox is starving for a premium footprint in the Southeast (Miami/FSU/Clemson). This triggers ultimate panic at ESPN—if they let Fox sign the Big Three, ESPN loses the most talent-rich region in college football to their biggest rival.
3. **The Joint Venture Peace Treaty ($850M):** To avoid total war, the new league forces ESPN and Fox into a 50/50 linear joint venture. Each network pays **$425 Million** per year. Because it’s a lean 16-team league with no low-rating filler games, networks easily hit their ROI through weekly primetime ad rates on premium matchups (e.g., *Miami vs. Utah*, *Clemson vs. Oklahoma State*).
4. **The Notre Dame Network Extortion ($160M):** Notre Dame refuses to join a conference—and they don't have to. Under this model, **ND stays 100% independent and keeps their entire NBC home-game contract.** Instead, they sign a permanent 8-game scheduling block with the new league. This allows the networks to legally jack up the conference network's subscriber carriage fees from a cheap 20-cent out-of-market rate to a premium **$1.20+ in-market rate** across the country, unlocking hundreds of millions in automatic cable/streaming subscriber cash using ND's national fanbase.
5. **The Tech Premium ($200M):** We carve out an exclusive Friday night "Game of the Week" for Apple TV+ or Amazon Prime, pulling in pure tech capital without diluting Saturday's linear windows.
### The Guaranteed Base Payout Matrix (No Playoff)
Equal revenue sharing is dead. If your brand moves the needle on TV ratings and carriage fees, you get paid.
* **The Anchor Tier ($110M):** Miami, FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame. *(Miami sits permanently at the absolute financial ceiling as a cornerstone flagship. Notre Dame hits the $110M mark by combining their independent NBC deal with a $50M scheduling fee from the league).*
* **The Premium Tier ($92M):** North Carolina, Utah, Oklahoma State.
* **The Core Tier ($75M):** Louisville, VT, WVU, K-State, UCF, Cincinnati.

### The Secret Weapon: 100% CFP Cash Retention
The Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 force their teams to pool playoff money and split it evenly with the cellar-dwellers. **This layout uses an "eat-what-you-kill" policy: If you make the playoff, you keep 100% of the prize money and travel stipends.**

Look at how a deep postseason run scales a flagship's single-year payout:
* **Base Flagship Payout (Miss the Playoff):** **$110 Million**
* **Make the 12-Team Bracket:** **$117 Million** *(Adds $4M field entry + $3M travel stipend)*
* **Make a Semifinal Run:** **$133 Million** *(Adds $14M in round payouts + $9M in total travel stipends)*
* **Make the National Championship Game:** **$142 Million** *(Adds $20M in total round payouts + $12M across 4 rounds)*

**The Bottom Line:** By using the nuclear option to break the GOR, protecting ND's absolute independence to secure the highest carriage fees, and letting flagships keep their own playoff cash, a deep postseason run pushes a flagship's single-year payout past **$140 Million**—a financial weapon that no school in the Big Ten or SEC could touch.
 
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My Masters Thesis

Title:

“We’re rich, *****!” aka “How I learned to love the ACC”

Angry Bullshit GIF by Rise at Seven
 
USC, UCLA, U-Dub and Oregon are all better off having left the Pac-12 for the B1G.

Same thing for us if we go to the SEC (hopefully) or Big Ten.

It's a mindset thing. Iron sharpens iron.

There are too many Triple-A programs with pearl-clutching administrators and reluctant boosters for the ACC to ever rise above what it is right now
 
Joe E didn’t outright say we were leaving for the P2, he said we are positioning ourselves for the next contract. That very likely means leaving for the P2 but he’s a businessman and I think he’s smart enough to figure out the best solution.

But….

There is also a setup where the ACC grows a pair and sets up a conference model that actually exceeds the P2 payouts by up to 40 million per year to the top teams- and it even allows ND to keep its independent status in football.

How? Well it involves dropping the deadweight from ACC like BC and then adding a handful of the top drawing Big12 teams. Don’t think the Big12 teams have any special loyalty to their conference and would jump at the chance to double their payouts.


My Masters Thesis

Title:

“We’re rich, *****!” aka“How I learned to love the ACC”

The P2 gap isn't a brand problem; it's an **inventory dilution** problem. Networks are bleeding cash on 20-team mega-leagues where half the games draw under 500k viewers. By executing the ultimate legal extortion, protecting Notre Dame's prized independence, and forcing a desperate network bidding war, a 16-team configuration secures a **$1.41 Billion pool** to match the Big Ten and SEC financial ceilings.

### The 16-Team Super-League Lineup
* **The Flagships:** Miami, Florida State, Clemson

* **The Independent Partner:** Notre Dame (Locked-in 8-game scheduling block)

* **The Premium Adds:** North Carolina, Utah, Oklahoma State

* **The Football Depth:** West Virginia, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, UCF, Cincinnati

### The Escape & The Network Leverage

ESPN has the ACC locked into a dirt-cheap contract through 2036. They won't renegotiate nicely, so the flagships force their hand by weaponizing the **Nuclear Option**:
1. **The Supermajority Loophole:** Miami, FSU, Clemson, and the top football brands band together to get a voting supermajority. They vote to completely **dissolve the ACC**. Because the conference legally dies, the old contract and the restrictive Grant of Rights instantly vaporize. Every flagship becomes an unrestricted free agent.
2. **The Fox "Trojan Horse" Threat:** The newly freed flagships immediately go to Fox Sports. Fox is starving for a premium footprint in the Southeast (Miami/FSU/Clemson). This triggers ultimate panic at ESPN—if they let Fox sign the Big Three, ESPN loses the most talent-rich region in college football to their biggest rival.
3. **The Joint Venture Peace Treaty ($850M):** To avoid total war, the new league forces ESPN and Fox into a 50/50 linear joint venture. Each network pays **$425 Million** per year. Because it’s a lean 16-team league with no low-rating filler games, networks easily hit their ROI through weekly primetime ad rates on premium matchups (e.g., *Miami vs. Utah*, *Clemson vs. Oklahoma State*).
4. **The Notre Dame Network Extortion ($160M):** Notre Dame refuses to join a conference—and they don't have to. Under this model, **ND stays 100% independent and keeps their entire NBC home-game contract.** Instead, they sign a permanent 8-game scheduling block with the new league. This allows the networks to legally jack up the conference network's subscriber carriage fees from a cheap 20-cent out-of-market rate to a premium **$1.20+ in-market rate** across the country, unlocking hundreds of millions in automatic cable/streaming subscriber cash using ND's national fanbase.
5. **The Tech Premium ($200M):** We carve out an exclusive Friday night "Game of the Week" for Apple TV+ or Amazon Prime, pulling in pure tech capital without diluting Saturday's linear windows.
### The Guaranteed Base Payout Matrix (No Playoff)
Equal revenue sharing is dead. If your brand moves the needle on TV ratings and carriage fees, you get paid.
* **The Anchor Tier ($110M):** Miami, FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame. *(Miami sits permanently at the absolute financial ceiling as a cornerstone flagship. Notre Dame hits the $110M mark by combining their independent NBC deal with a $50M scheduling fee from the league).*
* **The Premium Tier ($92M):** North Carolina, Utah, Oklahoma State.
* **The Core Tier ($75M):** Louisville, VT, WVU, K-State, UCF, Cincinnati.

### The Secret Weapon: 100% CFP Cash Retention
The Big Ten, SEC, and Big 12 force their teams to pool playoff money and split it evenly with the cellar-dwellers. **This layout uses an "eat-what-you-kill" policy: If you make the playoff, you keep 100% of the prize money and travel stipends.**

Look at how a deep postseason run scales a flagship's single-year payout:
* **Base Flagship Payout (Miss the Playoff):** **$110 Million**
* **Make the 12-Team Bracket:** **$117 Million** *(Adds $4M field entry + $3M travel stipend)*
* **Make a Semifinal Run:** **$133 Million** *(Adds $14M in round payouts + $9M in total travel stipends)*
* **Make the National Championship Game:** **$142 Million** *(Adds $20M in total round payouts + $12M across 4 rounds)*

**The Bottom Line:** By using the nuclear option to break the GOR, protecting ND's absolute independence to secure the highest carriage fees, and letting flagships keep their own playoff cash, a deep postseason run pushes a flagship's single-year payout past **$140 Million**—a financial weapon that no school in the Big Ten or SEC could touch.
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Best part - ESPN and Fox forced to form a joint venture. The only way anything like that happens is if college football negotiates TV deals as one entity - which ain't happening anytime soon (if ever).
 
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Best part - ESPN and Fox forced to form a joint venture. The only way anything like that happens is if college football negotiates TV deals as one entity - which ain't happening anytime soon (if ever).

Big12 has a 2.2 billion deal with both espn and fox. It’s 60/40. You think the Big12 has some special sauce that the ACC doesn’t have?
 
USC, UCLA, U-Dub and Oregon are all better off having left the Pac-12 for the B1G.

Same thing for us if we go to the SEC (hopefully) or Big Ten.

It's a mindset thing. Iron sharpens iron.

There are too many Triple-A programs with pearl-clutching administrators and reluctant boosters for the ACC to ever rise above what it is right now
Of course, since $$$ is the most important gauge we use. Unfortunately, there were 8 other teams in the PAC 12. LOL

I'm glad as **** Miami is in a sweet position for the future, but the sport as a whole is not on a good trajectory if you like the idea of having more than 40 or so teams having the capacity to compete. Thank God Mario has righted the ship because I think the tenor of the conversation in here would be much more negative right about now regarding the future.
 
... the sport as a whole is not on a good trajectory if you like the idea of having more than 40 or so teams having the capacity to compete

When has there ever been more than 40 or so teams that had a least a puncher's chance at the highest level?

Indiana — pretty much a doormat since the 1960's — just engineered the greatest two-year turnaround in College Football history.

Wherever the supersized SEC and B1G end up numbers-wise, the remaining Big XII and/or ACC schools will assuredly be allowed to tag along. Nobody's taking on that lawsuit.

But the G6 programs have no business competing in the postseason at schools with 10 or 20 times larger football budgets. They'll be priced out and rightly so
 
That's $380M per year. You're talking about more than doubling that. Here's your $200 for passing "Go".

You are comparing apples to brusselsprouts.


The Big 12 gets $380M because their ratings are split across 16 teams, most of which don't draw a national audience.
A $1.4B contract is just taking the money networks are *already* spending and concentrating it into a smaller, elite group.
Here is the simple math:

1. **The Core Cash Already Exists:** Right now, ESPN pays the ACC roughly $400M, and ESPN/Fox pay the Big 12 $380M. That’s

**$780 Million** currently spent on 34 teams.

2. **Trim the Dilution:** If you cut the lower-drawing teams entirely and pack the top 16 brands into one league, the average viewership per game doubles. Networks will bump that pool to $850M ($425M each for ESPN and Fox) because every single Saturday game is a primetime ad-revenue goldmine.

The 850 million is essentially what they pay RIGHT NOW
between the two conferences, most of that money is to get the eyeballs on the top drawing teams. The dregs just benefit because the conference forces the top drawing teams to subsidize the losers. Big12 teams like Cincy and Houston get less than 400k viewers for non marquee games. Thats worth nothing to the networks.

3. **The Tech/CFP Cushion:** Fox and ESPN aren't paying the whole $1.4B. They only pay the $850M base. The rest comes from Big Tech (Apple/Amazon) paying $200M for Friday night streaming, and the $240M College Football Playoff pool.

the money that would go to the new deal is already being spent. You aren't asking the networks to print new money. You are telling them to stop subsidizing teams that don't draw ratings, and hand that exact same cash to the heavy hitters instead, which they would do backflips if got the chance to do.
 
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