Empirical Cane
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When Jimbo speaks, ya'll better listen. He actually makes very strong points.
When Jimbo speaks, ya'll better listen. He actually makes very strong points.
It is going to be interesting to read the AMENDED COMPLAINT. The original FSU complaint was 38 pages ... the amended complaint is 139 pages!! It reportedly goes into a lot of detail including Swofford and the negative financial impact TO the conference of inserting Raycom into the 2010 ESPN media deal ... with the only purpose of propping up the failing Raycom.Well, @NorthernVirginiaCane told me the GOR was IRONCLAD and IRREVOCABLE and that ACC teams wouldn't be going anywhere until the mid-2030s...
Haven't been able to read it yet ... just some comments on Warchant from one guy who has. From comments it is well written and potentially deadly for the ACC. It points out clearly that the ESPN media deal existed BEFORE any GOR and cites ESPN media documents that were the binding documents for the ACC and NONE of them required establishing a GOR. It appears that the GOR was a purely fabricated device initiated BY the ACC leadership in an attempt to create a large financial penalty for any school that wanted to leave. The GOR might just have well been written on Charmin!! Paints the ACC leadership as basically orchestrating fraud to keep the conference in tact in order for the leadership to extract exorbitant salaries rather than provide services for the member institutions.
over three words CAPITALIZED. CERTIFIED CIS approved!It is going to be interesting to read the AMENDED COMPLAINT. The original FSU complaint was 38 pages ... the amended complaint is 139 pages!! It reportedly goes into a lot of detail including Swofford and the negative financial impact TO the conference of inserting Raycom into the 2010 ESPN media deal ... with the only purpose of propping up the failing Raycom.
Haven't been able to read it yet ... just some comments on Warchant from one guy who has. From comments it is well written and potentially deadly for the ACC. It points out clearly that the ESPN media deal existed BEFORE any GOR and cites ESPN media documents that were the binding documents for the ACC and NONE of them required establishing a GOR. It appears that the GOR was a purely fabricated device initiated BY the ACC leadership in an attempt to create a large financial penalty for any school that wanted to leave. The GOR might just have well been written on Charmin!! Paints the ACC leadership as basically orchestrating fraud to keep the conference in tact in order for the leadership to extract exorbitant salaries rather than provide services for the member institutions.
this is good news, it basically means that the GOR means squat if you leave the conference
When does FSU and ACC get to choose a champion and this gets settled with tiny bikinis, mud, and oil?Kinda. It’s not a joint stipulation (ACC and FSU agreeing to fundamental facts) which I think some people are making it out to be. This is an FSU amended filing where they are telling the court, "See, the ACC said what we said- so they are in total agreement! Case closed.”
ACC is almost certainly going to respond to the pleading by saying, “We said nothing of the sort, FSU is taking what we said completely out of context.” It’s up to the court to decide, which was the situation before the amended pleading. In other words, nothing is fundamentally different today than it was three days ago, other than FSU having some spicy words in its amended pleading. That being said, it’s a clever strategy and good lawyering.
When does FSU and ACC get to choose a champion and this gets settled with tiny bikinis, mud, and oil?
Wouldn't we all be winners then?
It is significantly more than that ... they are asking the COURT to review the ESPN media agreement and it's language, and how IT defines the ACC GOR. If the court does review the two separate documents, and concludes that the ESPN media agreement DOES STATE that the GOR is in effect ONLY WHILE A MEMBER INSTITUTION REMAINS A CONFERENCE MEMBER .... then it is confirmed that any school that leaves the ACC leaves with all future media rights in tact, no buyback is necessary from anyone. Any school can leave, having only the ACC exit fee to deal with, and that has proven to be a negotiable item in the past.Kinda. It’s not a joint stipulation (ACC and FSU agreeing to fundamental facts) which I think some people are making it out to be. This is an FSU amended filing where they are telling the court, "See, the ACC said what we said- so they are in total agreement! Case closed.”
ACC is almost certainly going to respond to the pleading by saying, “We said nothing of the sort, FSU is taking what we said completely out of context.” It’s up to the court to decide, which was the situation before the amended pleading. In other words, nothing is fundamentally different today than it was three days ago, other than FSU having some spicy words in its amended pleading. That being said, it’s a clever strategy and good lawyering.
She have a sister who is both physically and morally flexible?Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.
But bikini oil mud wrestling is good too. Right after my first date with the gal who became my wife, she invited me to watch her in a bikini oil mud wrestling event. She was tossing girls out of the mud pit like it was the Royal Rumble, then hit a girl with a Rock Bottom and won the tournament. I knew she was a keeper then.
It is significantly more than that ... they are asking the COURT to review the ESPN media agreement and its language, and how IT defines the ACC GOR. If the court does review the two separate documents, and concludes that the ESPN media agreement DOES STATE that the GOR is in effect ONLY WHILE A MEMBER INSTITUTION REMAINS A CONFERENCE MEMBER .... then it is confirmed that any school that leaves the ACC leaves with all future media rights in tact, no buyback is necessary from anyone. Any school can leave, having only the ACC exit fee to deal with, and that has proven to be a negotiable item in the past.
She have a sister who is both physically and morally flexible?
The more I look at the bottom 2/3rds of B1G and SEC schools, I just don't see a path for the majority of them for any network executive to say, "yeah, keep them at $70MM/yr".
Either these network contracts are funny money "just kidding" numbers or some member schools are going to get voted off the island sooner than later.
The math isn't mathing.
SEC and B1G need the Miamis and UNCs just to bring up their numbers, let alone this bull**** about partial shares.
NOBODY is watching Vandy. Nobody is watching Iowa or Northwestern or Illinois. NOBODY is watching Minnesota, not even the people who live in Minnesota dontcha know.
NOBODY.
You missed the premise ... we are talking about the amended complaint filed by FSU in Leon County Court, in Tallahassee, Florida, today. As I stated "the original FSU complaint was 38 pages and the amended complaint is 139 pages".If we’re talking about the NC filing, then first things first, the NC Supreme Court has to decide whether the business court was wrong in deciding 5 of 6 motions in favor of the ACC. FSU has petitioned for a writ of certiorari. As far as I know, the court has not granted it. If the NC SCourt denies cert, they are not reviewing all the stuff in the filing. That's the end of the trail unless FSU takes it to the US Supreme Court. We are talking about the state where the ACC is HQ and has a lot of juice. The NC Supreme Court is elected, so that’s a lot of political pressure. It will be interesting to see what they decide- IMO UNC is going to have its thumb on the scale so I think we’ll find out if anyone is going anywhere. UNC basically has a guaranteed invite to the P2, so if the court denies cert, I think it means UNC isn’t letting anyone leave the ACC.
Today, it’s mostly just wealthy kids from Jersey, Westchester County and Connecticut lolI've actually heard that Chicago is the largest outside of Florida. But that was several years ago and most likely has changed.