MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread(Its still personal)

Me too, but I think there is a possibility for teams that have SEC invites. ACC recently told FSU that buying back media rights was a "commercial possibility" subject to negotiation. Lots of people think that means the 3x operating cost (estimated at 120 million). You probably know this already but that 120 mil isn't the price to buy back media rights. The 3x operating cost is written directly in ACC bylaws (publicly available) as just the exit fee for the conference. That is completely separate from the GOR. A team can leave but the ACC still owns the media rights to home games.

People were floating the $550 million number as the cost for exit fee plus media rights, FSU could conceivably settle at something like 350 million. That essentially breaks down to 35 million over 10 years, which is roughly what FSU would have received from the ACC annually over a 10 year span, give or take a few million. Now the money that would have gone to FSU gets split up between the remaining teams. Anyways, if that happens, my guess is ESPN likely is ok with the move and doesn't sue the ACC. Clemson likely does the same.

Everyone cheers and thinks that it sounds like teams found a way to get out of the ACC, but I'd wager it will be only for teams that are moving to the SEC, since that is the only scenario in which ESPN doesn't sue the ACC for projected lost revenue through the remainder of the contract. I think the next two after that would be UNC paired with NC St. to the SEC. That puts them at an even 20 schools. Unfortunately, that means we're still screwed, as we're probably haven't been on the SEC's Xmas card list after turning them down many years ago.

If you look at the puzzle pieces, this picture should come together.
First, as @Gocanes1990 said, the higher ups are saying we don't have the money to pay the acc exit fee and buy back the media rights. No reason to doubt this is true. We can't afford a $350 million buyout, but the legislatures for the state public schools can easily shift state money to pay the buyouts or find other ways out.

Second, to the best of anyone's knowledge, the ESPN- ACC deal says that as long as the number of teams doesn't drop below 15, the deal stays as-is and ESPN can't lower the payouts. Acc added 3 teams that don't get any revenue shares. If the 4 aforementioned teams leave for the SEC, we are at 14 teams. So that gives 2 options: 1) either add another team or 2) give ESPN the ability renegotiate the contract.

My guess is we'd get another surprise team added to the ACC (my guess is UCONN). 15 teams means ESPN has to keep the deal. If all 4 teams that leave for SEC negotiate the buyback of media rights and exit fee averages 300 million each, that means 1.2 billion will be shared between the acc teams. That comes out to 80 million to each acc team if evenly distributed (which it won't be because of partial shares, UM would get more). It's not ideal but it's something I guess.

Some think there is no way espn would pick up the contract in 2028. I don't think they appreciate how much tv deals have ballooned since the ACC signed the agreement. The current deal has the ACC making less than what the Pac12 would have made through 2029. It's still an incredible bargain for espn, even without UNC, NC St, Clemson, and FSU.

The new ACC
Miami
Pitt
UVA
VT
Syracuse
BC
Duke
Wake Forest
GT
Louisville

Stanford
SMU
Cal
UCONN
ND

I think espn would extend the current deal for that lineup, which would make it the lowest paid "major" conference. So it's nice that people are posting all the great news from Warchant, but I don't give a **** about FSU. Taking off the "orange and green glasses"*, it doesn't look good for UM.

*Rad used nearly this exact phrase a few days ago when talking about how good the ACC is for UM when looked at through "orange and green glasses." The signs are all there.
The ACC doesn't own the media rights. They were sold / conveyed by the ACC TO ESPN. Any GOR negotiations / media buyback between exiting teams is directly with ESPN not with the ACC Conference. AND the current ESPN media commitment lapses on June 30, 2027. Leaving only 3 more seasons that are in question. The entire extension option from '27 to '36 is likely void and won't be exercised by ESPN anyway due to high media value programs leaving the conference. One interpretation is that 2 schools leaving triggers the composition clause, a look in by ESPN to revalue / re-negotiate the media deal based on the value of the new program makeup.

Nothing is clearly documented for public evaluation regarding the ESPN media agreements and they want to keep it that way.
 
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Me too, but I think there is a possibility for teams that have SEC invites. ACC recently told FSU that buying back media rights was a "commercial possibility" subject to negotiation. Lots of people think that means the 3x operating cost (estimated at 120 million). You probably know this already but that 120 mil isn't the price to buy back media rights. The 3x operating cost is written directly in ACC bylaws (publicly available) as just the exit fee for the conference. That is completely separate from the GOR. A team can leave but the ACC still owns the media rights to home games.

People were floating the $550 million number as the cost for exit fee plus media rights, FSU could conceivably settle at something like 350 million. That essentially breaks down to 35 million over 10 years, which is roughly what FSU would have received from the ACC annually over a 10 year span, give or take a few million. Now the money that would have gone to FSU gets split up between the remaining teams. Anyways, if that happens, my guess is ESPN likely is ok with the move and doesn't sue the ACC. Clemson likely does the same.

Everyone cheers and thinks that it sounds like teams found a way to get out of the ACC, but I'd wager it will be only for teams that are moving to the SEC, since that is the only scenario in which ESPN doesn't sue the ACC for projected lost revenue through the remainder of the contract. I think the next two after that would be UNC paired with NC St. to the SEC. That puts them at an even 20 schools. Unfortunately, that means we're still screwed, as we're probably haven't been on the SEC's Xmas card list after turning them down many years ago.

If you look at the puzzle pieces, this picture should come together.
First, as @Gocanes1990 said, the higher ups are saying we don't have the money to pay the acc exit fee and buy back the media rights. No reason to doubt this is true. We can't afford a $350 million buyout, but the legislatures for the state public schools can easily shift state money to pay the buyouts or find other ways out.

Second, to the best of anyone's knowledge, the ESPN- ACC deal says that as long as the number of teams doesn't drop below 15, the deal stays as-is and ESPN can't lower the payouts. Acc added 3 teams that don't get any revenue shares. If the 4 aforementioned teams leave for the SEC, we are at 14 teams. So that gives 2 options: 1) either add another team or 2) give ESPN the ability renegotiate the contract.

My guess is we'd get another surprise team added to the ACC (my guess is UCONN). 15 teams means ESPN has to keep the deal. If all 4 teams that leave for SEC negotiate the buyback of media rights and exit fee averages 300 million each, that means 1.2 billion will be shared between the acc teams. That comes out to 80 million to each acc team if evenly distributed (which it won't be because of partial shares, UM would get more). It's not ideal but it's something I guess.

Some think there is no way espn would pick up the contract in 2028. I don't think they appreciate how much tv deals have ballooned since the ACC signed the agreement. The current deal has the ACC making less than what the Pac12 would have made through 2029. It's still an incredible bargain for espn, even without UNC, NC St, Clemson, and FSU.

The new ACC
Miami
Pitt
UVA
VT
Syracuse
BC
Duke
Wake Forest
GT
Louisville

Stanford
SMU
Cal
UCONN
ND

I think espn would extend the current deal for that lineup, which would make it the lowest paid "major" conference. So it's nice that people are posting all the great news from Warchant, but I don't give a **** about FSU. Taking off the "orange and green glasses"*, it doesn't look good for UM.

*Rad used nearly this exact phrase a few days ago when talking about how good the ACC is for UM when looked at through "orange and green glasses." The signs are all there.
Had another conversation above the paygrade of my ad connection. Feel better than a week ago. We probably know the direction by EOY and exit by 26-27 is my thought…
 
Me too, but I think there is a possibility for teams that have SEC invites. ACC recently told FSU that buying back media rights was a "commercial possibility" subject to negotiation. Lots of people think that means the 3x operating cost (estimated at 120 million). You probably know this already but that 120 mil isn't the price to buy back media rights. The 3x operating cost is written directly in ACC bylaws (publicly available) as just the exit fee for the conference. That is completely separate from the GOR. A team can leave but the ACC still owns the media rights to home games.

People were floating the $550 million number as the cost for exit fee plus media rights, FSU could conceivably settle at something like 350 million. That essentially breaks down to 35 million over 10 years, which is roughly what FSU would have received from the ACC annually over a 10 year span, give or take a few million. Now the money that would have gone to FSU gets split up between the remaining teams. Anyways, if that happens, my guess is ESPN likely is ok with the move and doesn't sue the ACC. Clemson likely does the same.

Everyone cheers and thinks that it sounds like teams found a way to get out of the ACC, but I'd wager it will be only for teams that are moving to the SEC, since that is the only scenario in which ESPN doesn't sue the ACC for projected lost revenue through the remainder of the contract. I think the next two after that would be UNC paired with NC St. to the SEC. That puts them at an even 20 schools. Unfortunately, that means we're still screwed, as we're probably haven't been on the SEC's Xmas card list after turning them down many years ago.

If you look at the puzzle pieces, this picture should come together.
First, as @Gocanes1990 said, the higher ups are saying we don't have the money to pay the acc exit fee and buy back the media rights. No reason to doubt this is true. We can't afford a $350 million buyout, but the legislatures for the state public schools can easily shift state money to pay the buyouts or find other ways out.

Second, to the best of anyone's knowledge, the ESPN- ACC deal says that as long as the number of teams doesn't drop below 15, the deal stays as-is and ESPN can't lower the payouts. Acc added 3 teams that don't get any revenue shares. If the 4 aforementioned teams leave for the SEC, we are at 14 teams. So that gives 2 options: 1) either add another team or 2) give ESPN the ability renegotiate the contract.

My guess is we'd get another surprise team added to the ACC (my guess is UCONN). 15 teams means ESPN has to keep the deal. If all 4 teams that leave for SEC negotiate the buyback of media rights and exit fee averages 300 million each, that means 1.2 billion will be shared between the acc teams. That comes out to 80 million to each acc team if evenly distributed (which it won't be because of partial shares, UM would get more). It's not ideal but it's something I guess.

Some think there is no way espn would pick up the contract in 2028. I don't think they appreciate how much tv deals have ballooned since the ACC signed the agreement. The current deal has the ACC making less than what the Pac12 would have made through 2029. It's still an incredible bargain for espn, even without UNC, NC St, Clemson, and FSU.

The new ACC
Miami
Pitt
UVA
VT
Syracuse
BC
Duke
Wake Forest
GT
Louisville

Stanford
SMU
Cal
UCONN
ND

I think espn would extend the current deal for that lineup, which would make it the lowest paid "major" conference. So it's nice that people are posting all the great news from Warchant, but I don't give a **** about FSU. Taking off the "orange and green glasses"*, it doesn't look good for UM.

*Rad used nearly this exact phrase a few days ago when talking about how good the ACC is for UM when looked at through "orange and green glasses." The signs are all there.
Gross
 
Had another conversation above the paygrade of my ad connection. Feel better than a week ago. We probably know the direction by EOY and exit by 26-27 is my thought…
glad you kept going up after feeding the mopes a good meal - always better to eat at The Palm vs outback. Perhaps Prime next then we really know!

hmm, I wonder where that timeline has been mentioned before :)

keep our fingers crossed for sure.
 
The ACC doesn't own the media rights. They were sold / conveyed by the ACC TO ESPN. Any GOR negotiations / media buyback between exiting teams is directly with ESPN not with the ACC Conference. AND the current ESPN media commitment lapses on June 30, 2027. Leaving only 3 more seasons that are in question. The entire extension option from '27 to '36 is likely void and won't be exercised by ESPN anyway due to high media value programs leaving the conference. One interpretation is that 2 schools leaving triggers the composition clause, a look in by ESPN to revalue / re-negotiate the media deal based on the value of the new program makeup.

Nothing is clearly documented for public evaluation regarding the ESPN media agreements and they want to keep it that way.
part possibly right. the individual teams do not have a direct deal with ESPN. you can't act like ACC is not in the mix in any theoretical negotiations barring some other hidden (to us) parts of a deal or court ruling.
 
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Like I said .. there is a lot of DEBATE going on just on Warchant with conservative FSU alums stating " it is not feasible, possible, legal", and then the insistence on the part of a couple of "insiders" who are stating "it is being worked on behind the scenes" implying that there is some sort of media partner agreement and horse trading going on. Conservative people are "skeptical" to be understating, while those that believe .. are planning a celebration for the weekend.


Again, it is quite possible that something could be worked out "for broadcast rights" temporarily, but I'm not sure what opponents F$U thinks they could actually schedule. Some parts of this are harder than other parts.
 
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Again, it is quite possible that something could be worked out "for broadcast rights" temporarily, but I'm not sure what opponents F$U thinks they could actually schedule. Some parts of this are harder than other parts.
well after all....

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Your mileage may vary...

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Really?
Our attendance declined by12k from when we were winning 9 games a year???
Holy ****!

My guess is the schools on the right have enjoyed better seasons the last two years than that 3-year stretch around 2017.

You gotta love the hand-picked timeframes.
 
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Again, it is quite possible that something could be worked out "for broadcast rights" temporarily, but I'm not sure what opponents F$U thinks they could actually schedule. Some parts of this are harder than other parts.

Yea, so FSU finds a media partner, the ACC dissolves, now FSU is going to dictate the media structure to every team they play? And the other teams will just go along with it?

So when FSU plays Duke, at Duke, Duke's going to let the team that dissolved the ACC and cost them money set up cameras and broadcast the game?
 
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Literally 0% chance that anything that guy says happens. There's no universe where those four teams leave the ACC and we decide to stay and be content in the "lowest paid" power conference. If they find a way out, we'll take it too. For whatever reason, it's inconceivable to him that we'll leave the conference. Biggest mope on this thread, bar none
 
Really?
Our attendance declined by12k from when we were winning 9 games a year???
Holy ****!

My guess is the schools on the right have enjoyed better seasons the last two years than that 3-year stretch around 2017.

You gotta love the hand-picked timeframes.
It's how you interpret the data. This same clown has another chart that shows despite Miami's small student enrollment, the attendance figures are quite high relative to student enrollment.

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One possibility is the events that have happened (CFP payout per conference), the fact that the new CFP payout also includes wording that it CAN BE REVISED in the event of future conference realignment (ie lowered for the ACC without FSU / Clemson / UNC) plus the fact that the composition clause COULD BE enacted in April with two programs announcing their departure (then ESPN can renegotiate a lower media deal) is enough financial risk / bad news that the Magnificent Seven +1-2 more, are working together.

If 8-9-10 programs vote to dissolve the ACC they could also agree to jointly play as independents for the 2024 season, while everybody finalizes their landing spots and any legal issues involved. At least everybody is OUT without paying a $120M exit fee, and the GOR is void. It has been stated that 8 or more programs HAVE BEEN advised of landing spots (not everybody in agreement with the deal offered) so worst case ... it is better than remaining in an ACC that will backfill with G5 programs and MAYBE get $25 million a year in a new media deal.

The "nuclear option" has always been discussed as the most rational, and the ACC has been operated as a self serving entity at the expense of the members, for decades, and deserves NO sympathy. I am hoping THIS is the reality, and Miami is paired with FSU to the B10. Adios MFER.
 
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It's likely he has multiple accounts in an attempt to drive engagement and forgot to sign out of his Genetics one.

Twitter creates these grifters who have "information" and they cast a wide net with the grift until they find a really good host to milk. He clearly found engagement with the FSU community and attached on to them like a parasite.

Dude forgot to get on his burner account

Wonder if he still uses the one where he acts like a female??
 
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