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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread(Its still personal)

TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not usually one to play the "I told you so" card, but I've been saying that Frenk needs to leave...since the 2016-2017 school year.

Even when people acted like Frenk was "better" for athletics than Shalala. Donnas biggest issue imo was she was too involved. she actually loved athletics in my interactions with her. she just got too involved. Frenk doesn't give a **** at all. hes also a worse academic president than DS bc at least you could reason DS was better for academics.

Even when people acted like Frenk and Beta Blake were the keys to getting the IPF built. imagine if richt and the Soffers didnt come through.

Even when people acted like Frenk "saved the season" during the COVID year. LOL right I remember this. I also remember him getting blasted on an interview looking like a dope on national tv.

Even when people acted like Frenk did some amazing thing by letting Joe and Rudy fire Beta Blake and Manny. tough job firing a ticket rep and failing HC on a cheap deal

Until 18 months ago, Frenk had been asleep at the wheel for his entire tenure when it comes to UM Athletics, and I've called it out the entire time. Frenk needs to be replace for SOOOO many reasons, this is just one of the reasons.
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agreed and we haven't even gotten into the public beating UM has taken in the academic rankings (not just US News but a lot of them)
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
I'm not usually one to play the "I told you so" card, but I've been saying that Frenk needs to leave...since the 2016-2017 school year.

Even when people acted like Frenk was "better" for athletics than Shalala.

Even when people acted like Frenk and Beta Blake were the keys to getting the IPF built.

Even when people acted like Frenk "saved the season" during the COVID year.

Even when people acted like Frenk did some amazing thing by letting Joe and Rudy fire Beta Blake and Manny.

Until 18 months ago, Frenk had been asleep at the wheel for his entire tenure when it comes to UM Athletics, and I've called it out the entire time. Frenk needs to be replace for SOOOO many reasons, this is just one of the reasons.
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So when's he getting fired?
 
dycane said:
Do you have a single shred of evidence that UM is likely leaving the ACC, ever? And are you saying that certain “insiders” haven’t, repeatedly, implied that “Rad’s got this” and we have been working on an exit plan but unlike dumb FSU we operate in silence? Read the thread.

Wake up. Rad doesn’t give a ****, which means the administration that hired him and continues to employ him doesn’t either. Outside of some folks in the football program, who of course want out, UM people will be just fine staying put.
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With respect, it can be true that some "insiders" have been shown to not know jack about this while also still being true that the U's days in the ACC are *highly* likely nearing an end.
 
hoops156 said:
ok man believe whatever you want to believe. this isnt a CIA conspiiracy theory. is rad happy in the ACC? no. is frenk happy? yes. a lot has changed too but anyways youre gonna do you
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Thank you for admitting you know nothing and were just throwing your opinion out there as fact.
 
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Yoyo82 said:
Good points. Financially I agree, the B1G is better to be associated with. And research wise.

If UNC and UVA leave, then the ACC takes a big step back.

As far as public perception/national prestige, I still think the ACC is higher up with Stanford and Cal.

But as far as a whole conference goes, you're right.
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I agree, didn't mean to come off too harshly.

One of the benefits that Cal has/had is that it was a part of the UC SYSTEM. But with UCLA going Big 10, maybe UC loses a bit of its collective academic power. Stanford is Stanford, though, they are an academic 1000-pound gorilla.
 
hoops156 said:
agreed and we haven't even gotten into the public beating UM has taken in the academic rankings (not just US News but a lot of them)
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Yeah, it's hard to (graphically) respond, since you had some comments within my post, but I'll try.

Yes, Donna was very involved. And for right or wrong (and it was usually the latter), she had a PHILOSOPHY on hiriing younger up-and-comers to coach and AD for us. Clearly, that didn't work out. Her critics will say "cheap", but I think her philosophy was the same no matter where she was (Syracuse, Wisconsin, etc.). Sometimes you get a guy on the way up (JJ, Dennis, Butch), and sometimes it doesn't work out.

I agree on the IPF. It's a hard thing to explain to people, how money is the PRIMARY determinant. Too many people just look at the building construction date and attribute the success to whoever is in office at the time. Creates quite a distortion on who should get credit/blame.

Julio looking like a dope on national TV? Hard to imagine... :LOL:

Yes, Beta Blake and Manny had to go. This is why I've always argued AGAINST giving all the kudos to Frenk. First, he kept Beta Blake on for much too long, and had no idea of how he was mishandling the monetary and vision side of things. Then, you double the error factor by letting an over-ripe AD select an under-ripe HC, which DID happen on Julio's watch.

As for the academic rankings, yes, I've been discussing the issues with at least one other poster (a member of the UM faculty) for the last couple of months. Donna was ALL ABOUT watching the rankings (and massaging the data reports) for maximum US News ratings impact. Julio seems to be allergic to math and statistics for the last 8 years. What a ******* (academic) disaster.

Now we have Fortune and the WSJ taking their shots at trying to rank the schools, and we look even worse.
 
ssvir said:
He hasnt been right about anything in two plus months and uses Gene at Warchant as one of his sauces.
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He uses Warchant's editor as a source for comments regarding FSU's stance on realignment ... he said CLEARLY that he has no ACC direct sources. His sources are 100% Big 10 administrators / staff / presidents. What has he been wrong about? He has stated that the Big 10 vetted 7-8 programs including at least 6 ACC programs and out of that exercise the B10 media partners were most interested in FSU / Clemson as the TOP VIEWERSHIP programs that would add programming value to the Big 10. That is correct. He also said a lot of behind the scenes conversations are going on between conferences and media partners regarding the next phase of realignment and a lot of horse trading will be necessary for the ACC programs to achieve the exit that they want, but it will happen.
 
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Yoyo82 said:
So when's he getting fired?
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Can't happen soon enough.

But he got hired in 2015, and Miami tends to do things in multiples of 5 year increments, soooo...

Plus it's our Centennial...could be a GREAT chance to introduce our new leader for our second century....
 
Wake_Cane said:
With respect, it can be true that some "insiders" have been shown to not know jack about this while also still being true that the U's days in the ACC are *highly* likely nearing an end.
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Yeah...but he's talking about "us"...all of us "insiders" (you know, alums and boosters and faculty and the like)...

And he has no clue that you're probably at the top of the food chain when it comes to knowing what Miami is doing/will be doing on the academic front...
 
Rickd said:
He uses Warchant's editor as a source for comments regarding FSU's stance on realignment ... he said CLEARLY that he has no ACC direct sources. His sources are 100% Big 10 administrators / staff / presidents. What has he been wrong about? He has stated that the Big 10 vetted 7-8 programs including at least 6 ACC programs and out of that exercise the B10 media partners were most interested in FSU / Clemson as the TOP VIEWERSHIP programs that would add programming value to the Big 10. That is correct. He also said a lot of behind the scenes conversations are going on between conferences and media partners regarding the next phase of realignment and a lot of horse trading will be necessary for the ACC programs to achieve the exit that they want, but it will happen.
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That was all info he put out two months ago. Since then he has been dead wrong about everything.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Can't happen soon enough.

But he got hired in 2015, and Miami tends to do things in multiples of 5 year increments, soooo...

Plus it's our Centennial...could be a GREAT chance to introduce our new leader for our second century....
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Would love to see him get fired at the celebration... Have the Rock come out and terminate him
 
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ssvir said:
That was all info he put out two months ago. Since then he has been dead wrong about everything.
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What has he been "wrong" about? There haven't been any announcements by either FSU or Clemson, and currently they are both in information lock down mode. Genetics is waiting just like everybody else to see WHEN something actually happens.
 
Rickd said:
What has he been "wrong" about? There haven't been any announcements by either FSU or Clemson, and currently they are both in information lock down mode. Genetics is waiting just like everybody else to see WHEN something actually happens.
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He's said on at least five occasions thus far that FSU/Clemson were announcing they were leaving. Boy who cried wolf.

He had some good insight and has B10 sauces but everything else he rants about daily are just hot takes.
 
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ssvir said:
He's said on at least five occasions thus far that FSU/Clemson were announcing they were leaving. Boy who cried wolf.

He had some good insight and has B10 sauces but everything else he rants about daily are just hot takes.
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Yes, and that goes to his reliance (for ACC info) on Weinie Genie "Dot Com" Williams.

The top couple of WC insiders have been prematurely ejaculating the "F$U leaves the ACC story" multiple times over the past few months.

It will happen when it happens, it's just hilarious to watch the "most connected" F$U writers and mods continuing to tell us that "this week is the week"...

Terrible reporting, just as they did with the Georgia OL transfer who "picked" F$U last year...
 
ssvir said:
He's said on at least five occasions thus far that FSU/Clemson were announcing they were leaving. Boy who cried wolf.

He had some good insight and has B10 sauces but everything else he rants about daily are just hot takes.
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He hasn't said he had ANY CONFIRMATION ... he has simply stated that "what I am hearing from Warchant". Face it FSU was off the charts vocal about leaving "sooner rather than later" ... to the extent that they actually had a BOT meeting streamed live with every top administrator reiterating the united desire to leave the ACC as the university would suffer irreparable damages if they remained. Nobody has any public information with ANY details of when any ACC programs are actually announcing ... as they probably don't even have a specific date yet. Media partners need to finish THEIR negotiations first. Then things will be in a position for programs to get a clearer idea of who might be going to which conference. Big decisions by the SEC are most likely THE sticking point at this stage. If they agree to take Clemson and UNC, then the Big 10 interest would be FSU / Miami most likely. Lot of moving pieces and nobody knows where things will end.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yes, and that goes to his reliance (for ACC info) on Weinie Genie "Dot Com" Williams.

The top couple of WC insiders have been prematurely ejaculating the "F$U leaves the ACC story" multiple times over the past few months.

It will happen when it happens, it's just hilarious to watch the "most connected" F$U writers and mods continuing to tell us that "this week is the week"...

Terrible reporting, just as they did with the Georgia OL transfer who "picked" F$U last year...
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Their tune has changed to "nobody is saying a word ... we will know when we read about it in the papers".
 
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