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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread(Its still personal)

DoctorKrazey said:
I get that, legally they have every right, but the broader point I’m making here is this: Are there not more pressing issues going on in our country right now than getting involved in conference realignment? If you’re for it, then remember to keep that same energy when Desantis urges the Florida Legislature to block FSU and Miami from leaving The ACC, or require that they seek their “blessing.” That was my biggest fear when I read this article. They may try to interfere or make it more difficult for future programs to leave conferences, which includes us.
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If a school that you find is now going to get $20 million less than budgeted and all of your constituents are up in arms about it, yes it’s something you do. It’s not like you get bacon or cheese. They have to deal with bacon and cheese.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
As I kind of alluded to in my other post...it's all just money.

Whether we have to "buy out" and then need a full-share...or if someone else buys us out and we take a "vesting share"...

It's all good, baby. Just get me to the Big 10 and I'l settle down. I was there in the days when UM had to make due with Independent money. And we wondered why the old Hecht smelled old and moldy.
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I am just a casual observer of this conversation, so please forgive my ignorance, but…

This makes too much sense to me. Relatively simple actually.
Sometimes I feel like everyone is playing a variation of chess (2D, 4D, 8D, etc), when everything could be done quickly if we all were playing checkers.
 
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Rickd said:
I do believe that the FSU 'noise' did serve a purpose and have a beneficial impact. Definitely shook up people at ESPN knowing that the entire ACC conference was, to a degree, in a mild state of panic with programs outside of the "B2 candidates" all of a sudden talking to the B12 to see if landing spots did exist. True there have been talks going on behind the scenes for the past year, but I feel these past two weeks put "the desire & need to exit" in a much clearer perspective for a lot more people. During these NEXT 12 months there will be a real focus not on understanding the GOR, but rather getting the 8 teams needed to dissolve the conference on the same page so there is a cohesive effort this time next year, and it gets done. Been a crazy couple of weeks for sure.
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Sorry for asking something you and @TheOriginalCane I’m sure covered but if Miami, Clemson and FSU left the ACC and the ACC brought in Cal, Stanford and SMU to keep the same number of teams, is ESPN still under an obligation to pay the same amount to the ACC without UM, FSU and Clemson as they were obligated to pay with them so long as there’s the same number of teams left overall in the ACC?
 
RVACane said:
Sorry for asking something you and @TheOriginalCane I’m sure covered but if Miami, Clemson and FSU left the ACC and the ACC brought in Cal, Stanford and SMU to keep the same number of teams, is ESPN still under an obligation to pay the same amount to the ACC without UM, FSU and Clemson as they were obligated to pay with them so long as there’s the same number of teams left overall in the ACC?
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Pretty sure that ESPN / ACC would be negotiating a new media del as the "TV Math" isn't based on "number of teams" but the # of viewers that each program brings. FSU / Clemson / Miami are most likely the 3 most valuable college football brands NOT currently in the B10 or SEC and the combination of Cal / Stanford / SMU doesn't come close to matching that. So revenues and distribution might take a hit.
 
RVACane said:
Sorry for asking something you and @TheOriginalCane I’m sure covered but if Miami, Clemson and FSU left the ACC and the ACC brought in Cal, Stanford and SMU to keep the same number of teams, is ESPN still under an obligation to pay the same amount to the ACC without UM, FSU and Clemson as they were obligated to pay with them so long as there’s the same number of teams left overall in the ACC?
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No, there is a "composition clause" in the contract that would allow the ACC to pay less for a "lesser" ACC, just the same way as they would be expected to pay more if the ACC had added Notre Dame as a replacement after Maryland left.

It is true that in your scenario, the ACC would still provide the same NUMBER of games, but they would not be as highly-rated, or at least projected to be, in the eyes of ESPN.
 
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Rickd said:
What @Genetics56 stated last night in his "B10 Conference Realignment Community" thread is "The B10 media partners will acquire the rights".
So if THAT is correct ... then we don't have to concern ourselves with having 8 votes, dissolving the conference, or the GOR and exit fee.
He is saying the B10 media partners are 1). Targeting 4-6 ACC schools 2). And will acquire the rights and cost of those teams switching conferences.

The short term "cost" might be several of the ACC programs that switch, might therefore have to take a less than full share for several years (but THEY are not covering the GOR buyback costs).

IF that is accurate ... beer is on me at the Titanic (fights allowed).
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So we are behind FSU in the pecking order for the BIG 10 it seems though I shouldn’t be surprised. Them being announced hurts our recruiting IMO if there is a significant lag time. I think we’re better off with FSU in the BIG as opposed to the SEC in some ways.

Interesting that you had mentioned that the BIG media partners have no interest in UVA. I think they could have a spot in the SEC eventually though knowing UVA people they probably don’t want the SEC ahead of the BIG. So VT could actually have a spot in the BIG and UVA not have a landing place which is the opposite of the issue I thought we’d see.
 
Rickd said:
Pretty sure that ESPN / ACC would be negotiating a new media del as the "TV Math" isn't based on "number of teams" but the # of viewers that each program brings. FSU / Clemson / Miami are most likely the 3 most valuable college football brands NOT currently in the B10 or SEC and the combination of Cal / Stanford / SMU doesn't come close to matching that. So revenues and distribution might take a hit.
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That would explain NC State voting no and talking to the BIG 12.They know if the three teams mentioned go that the ACC payout will be less than the B12 so they might as well get a spot now.
 
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RVACane said:
So we are behind FSU in the pecking order for the BIG 10 it seems though I shouldn’t be surprised. Them being announced hurts our recruiting IMO if there is a significant lag time. I think we’re better off with FSU in the BIG as opposed to the SEC in some ways.

Interesting that you had mentioned that the BIG media partners have no interest in UVA. I think they could have a spot in the SEC eventually though knowing UVA people they probably don’t want the SEC ahead of the BIG. So VT could actually have a spot in the BIG and UVA not have a landing place which is the opposite of the issue I thought we’d see.
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Yeah, UVa is in a rough spot. They are soooo good academically and soooo mediocre in football. And a fairly large distance from the DMV area.

Not a great combo, and with better choices ahead of them in the pecking order.
 
RVACane said:
That would explain NC State voting no and talking to the BIG 12.They know if the three teams mentioned go that the ACC payout will be less than the B12 so they might as well get a spot now.
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Think it is more likely they are talking in the event the ACC conference implodes and is dissolved, then they will have a home in the B12 if they can't get into the SEC. Doesn't make sense to leave the ACC ... paying the $120 million exit fee + a huge GOR buyback. Don't think the B12 would take them without media rights and don't see the B12 media partner (ESPN + FOX) paying their GOR to move to that conference.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Yeah, UVa is in a rough spot. They are soooo good academically and soooo mediocre in football. And a fairly large distance from the DMV area.

Not a great combo, and with better choices ahead of them in the pecking order.
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UVA athletics has very little draw in the DMV. VT is way bigger as far as sports go. Penn State, UMD, VT are all much bigger than UVA in the area.
 
I am mildly surprised that for all of the commentary justified as it is about the FSU athletic Director going off the rails publicly while at least showing his cards, there has been less attention paid to the fact that the North Carolina athletic Director went against FSU publicly a week ago, then voted against expansion. I guess that would play against the narrative here they just because Dan/Miami is doing one thing right now it means that it the ultimate automatic official course of action.

They’re all full of ****, some just spin it differently
 
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Ispyin said:
I am mildly surprised that for all of the commentary justified as it is about the FSU athletic Director going off the rails publicly while at least, showing his cards, that there has been less attention paid to the fact that the North Carolina athletic Director went against FSU publicly a week ago, then voted against expansion, but I guess that would play against the narrative here they just because Dan is doing one thing right now it means that’s his official course of action.

They’re all full of ****, some just spin it differently
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Agreed.

But of the schools with "options"...Miami and Clemson have been the most quiet.
 
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