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DamnLiesAndStatistics said:
His very last comment is at odds with something you said early. Didnt you mention theyd lose voting righta after giving notice? Giving notice only works if youve fully abandoned a conference dissolution plan, so there ia a significant downside to just throwing notice around
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It's also at odds with this...

I can fully and freely acknowledge that F$U is the "most impatient" of the ACC teams. And, sure maybe they have a payday loan from JP Morgan to help fund things.

BUT...if you line up 7 other teams to join with you...THEN YOU GET OUT FOR FREE...

The fact remains...once you serve notice...you aren't going to vote on anything substantial any longer. Maybe you can participate on "where will we hold the Christmas party this year?". But you can no longer vote to block Stanford-Cal. And you definitely can't vote on whether to dissolve the ACC.

If you vote to kill the ACC...you don't have to give notice. You don't have to pay. You can probably ignore the GOR, though there may be some litigation.

But as I've said before, F$U is run by impatient amateurs. Like an internet dork who wants to be "FIRST" to respond to any thread, the dopes at F$U may be so eager to leave that they damage themselves. Which would be funny, if it didn't impact us too.

If Clemson and F$U give notice tomorrow and nobody else does, you can play out the numbers. You'd have 13 voting members.

---For expansion, you'd need 10 votes (3 no-votes). 4 "no" votes would block it. Remember what I told you about there being MORE than 4 no-votes already IF IF IF an actual vote would have been taken.

---For dissolution, you'd need 7 votes to dissolve the ACC. Let's say there are 4 Big 10 teams, plus ND. You'd need 2 more to be confident that going to the Big 12 would be equivalent, if not actually better over the long-haul. Seems very do-able.

---The exit fee would become due based upon a stated intent to leave. I'm fairly certain that USC and UCLA still owe money to the Pac 12 regardless of subsequent events and regardless of whether their actions were the first domino. Would be funny to take about $10M off of F$U. GOR probably dissipates even under a multi-step ACC collapse/dissolution, so F$U could get lucky there.
 
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TooColdToHold said:
The notion of FSU waiting on a last second offer from the Big Ten is laughable.
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TheOriginalCane said:
It's also at odds with this...

I can fully and freely acknowledge that F$U is the "most impatient" of the ACC teams. And, sure maybe they have a payday loan from JP Morgan to help fund things.

BUT...if you line up 7 other teams to join with you...THEN YOU GET OUT FOR FREE...

The fact remains...once you serve notice...you aren't going to vote on anything substantial any longer. Maybe you can participate on "where will we hold the Christmas party this year?". But you can no longer vote to block Stanford-Cal. And you definitely can't vote on whether to dissolve the ACC.

If you vote to kill the ACC...you don't have to give notice. You don't have to pay. You can probably ignore the GOR, though there may be some litigation.

But as I've said before, F$U is run by impatient amateurs. Like an internet dork who wants to be "FIRST" to respond to any thread, the dopes at F$U may be so eager to leave that they damage themselves. Which would be funny, if it didn't impact us too.

If Clemson and F$U give notice tomorrow and nobody else does, you can play out the numbers. You'd have 13 voting members.

---For expansion, you'd need 10 votes (3 no-votes). 4 votes would block it. Remember what I told you about there being MORE than 4 no-votes already IF IF IF an actual vote would have been taken.

---For dissolution, you'd need 7 votes to dissolve the ACC. Let's say there are 4 Big 10 teams, plus ND. You'd need 2 more to be confident that going to the Big 12 would be equivalent, if not actually better over the long-haul. Seems very do-able.

---The exit fee would become due based upon a stated intent to leave. I'm fairly certain that USC and UCLA still owe money to the Pac 12 regardless of subsequent events and regardless of whether their actions were the first domino. Would be funny to take about $10M off of F$U. GOR probably dissipates even under a multi-step ACC collapse/dissolution, so F$U could get lucky there.
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I've got a couple of questions.

1. How does a vote for dissolution take place?
2. Are there repercussions for taking such a vote and voting to dissolve if it doesn't pass?

I ask this because if it's just that the conference will be upset with you, I'm pretty sure FSU has already stepped on every available toe.
 
Felonious Monk said:
I've got a couple of questions.

1. How does a vote for dissolution take place?
2. Are there repercussions for taking such a vote and voting to dissolve if it doesn't pass?

I ask this because if it's just that the conference will be upset with you, I'm pretty sure FSU has already stepped on every available toe.
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Just call for a vote. And don't do so if you don't have the 8 votes.
 
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Things I know about this realignment.

The SEC does NOT want and will NOT take Miami.
The B10 DOES want Miami.
Miami wants to be in the B10.
Miami wants to leave ASAP.
Miami does NOT want to pay alot of money to leave (which is possible if the league dissolves, no league, no exit fee, no GOR)
Miami will NOT be playing in the ACC much longer (conference is going away).
This process may take more time and we will all have to be patient.
 
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Badbart43 said:
ThingI know about this realignment.

The SEC does NOT want and will NOT take Miami.
The B10 DOES want Miami.
Miami wants to be in the B10.
Miami wants to leave ASAP.
Miami does NOT want to pay alot of money to leave (which is possible if the league dissolves, no league, no exit fee, no GOR)
Miami will NOT be playing in the ACC much longer (conference is going away).
This process may take more time and we will all have to be patient.
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Last I heard, SEC door to Miami was not closed but that doesn't mean Miami was intrigued by their position or demands.
 
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I can’t wait to hear the spin from FSU when the deadline expires. My guess is they will claim the SEC jumped in at the last minute and asked them to delay leaving for a year. FSU , Clemson, and the North Carolina schools to the SEC. Virginia, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and anybody but Miami to the Big Ten.
 
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Shogungts said:
It's basically just a summary article about the situation for people who don't follow closely. Recaps why they want out, the public tantrum they had and that indications are that they will not notify the ACC tomorrow.
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There are two "good" reasons for F$U to sit on their hands for 48 hours or more...

1. They really want to go to the SEC, and the SEC won't taken them until 2025. so it gives F$U more time to leverage the Big 10 interest to get an SEC offer.
2. Greater likelihood of getting 8 schools to vote to dissolve the conference.

But if nothing happens for the next 48 hours, remember what I said about #1. That will be a pretty good indication of what F$U "really wants".
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
There are two "good" reasons for F$U to sit on their hands for 48 hours or more...

1. They really want to go to the SEC, and the SEC won't taken them until 2025. so it gives F$U more time to leverage the Big 10 interest to get an SEC offer.
2. Greater likelihood of getting 8 schools to vote to dissolve the conference.

But if nothing happens for the next 48 hours, remember what I said about #1. That will be a pretty good indication of what F$U "really wants".
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Now that Big2 seats are becoming finite and teams are ejecting to take discounted rates to secure their spot, I’m very curious what fsu will do. Being hasty and setting arbitrary deadlines for yourself publicly weakens your bargaining power

I totally get why Miami has elected to move in silence
 
TheOriginalCane said:
There are two "good" reasons for F$U to sit on their hands for 48 hours or more...

1. They really want to go to the SEC, and the SEC won't taken them until 2025. so it gives F$U more time to leverage the Big 10 interest to get an SEC offer.
2. Greater likelihood of getting 8 schools to vote to dissolve the conference.

But if nothing happens for the next 48 hours, remember what I said about #1. That will be a pretty good indication of what F$U "really wants".
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Well if the Big doesn't give the miracle offer to FSU / Clemson Tuesday AND FSU / Clemson are pushing for the SEC, that puts Miami and at least one other ACC program in "next up" position for the Big10. Waiting another year would also increase the probabilities of the B10 taking 4 and the SEC doing the same, which would give us the magic number 8 to dissolve, and the B12 grabs 4 as well, with Wake and BC going regional. Lot of moving parts ... but the most attractive one is the one that has NO ACC conference and no exit fee and a very cloudy GOR.
 
DamnLiesAndStatistics said:
His very last comment is at odds with something you said early. Didnt you mention theyd lose voting righta after giving notice? Giving notice only works if youve fully abandoned a conference dissolution plan, so there ia a significant downside to just throwing notice around
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Yes, but it doesn’t technically eliminate Dissolution as an option, in that its not impossible for the remaining schools to go that route (say if only FSU and Clemson ended up leaving). If 2 schools leave, there’s 13 voting members left. Majority would be 7 votes needed for dissolution. So in total that’d effectively be 9 votes (those 7 + FSU/Clemson) instead of the original 8. More difficult, yes - but not impossible either.

I do agree if anyone announces they’re leaving it likely means they at minimum are challenging the GOR so it is only effective until 2026/2027 or whatever the original date was. From there at worst you have the $120M exit fee and maybe $120M max for the GOR settlement. And who knows, maybe you can settle for only like $160M…? That’s would be pretty reasonable to get out of the ACC by next year.

Of course financially it would still be better to leave in 2025 and paying $0 if you can get vote of dissolution.
 
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