Comment from lsu 247 reporter on Raymond

[Consigliere]

If we hire Raymond as a DC (heck even as a DB coach), we better have someone else waiting in the wings to take his place. If he has any type of success, or is offered anything he considers better, he's going to bolt. Good guy, but he won't be here long if he comes imo.


Edit: Let me add, though, that the single life may serve as the "Big Joker" in this situation.

Who gives a *** if a coach leaves? You want your coaches to be wanted.

Auburn fans said the same thing with Muschamp and now they are scrambling. Sure, you want your guys to be wanted. You do not, however, want your guy to leave after a year which would be a real possibility with Raymond.

Please porst less.

 

[CANE1775]

You're so clever.

 

[01Canes]

Raymond would likely be an outstanding addition as a DB coach. Unfortunately, some of his most vocal advocates have gone wild about his recruiting without presenting evidence of his coaching acumen, which has hurt the discussion.

LSU's rank of schedule: Sagarin rankings from USA Today

2012 - 15th
2013 - 25th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 9th

LSU's pass defense ranking:

2012 - 28th
2013 - 13th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 47th

There are a couple things worth noting here. Raymond took over a unit that ranked in the Top 10 nationally in pass defense in 2011. But two of their starters and their nickel corner were drafted early the following year (Claiborne in the 1st round, Taylor in the 3rd round, and Brooks in the 4th round), which was likely part of the reason why they slipped to a still respectable 28th in 2012.

LSU's secondary regressed this season after improving each year under Raymond's tutelage from 2012-2014. But his body of work at LSU as a whole has been pretty dam good. I'd be excited about landing him. Kuligowski and Raymond would be massive upgrades at two position groups that have had horrifically insufficient coaching for years at this program.

 

[The Franchise]

If we hire Raymond as a DC (heck even as a DB coach), we better have someone else waiting in the wings to take his place. If he has any type of success, or is offered anything he considers better, he's going to bolt. Good guy, but he won't be here long if he comes imo.


Edit: Let me add, though, that the single life may serve as the "Big Joker" in this situation.

Who gives a *** if a coach leaves? You want your coaches to be wanted.

Auburn fans said the same thing with Muschamp and now they are scrambling. Sure, you want your guys to be wanted. You do not, however, want your guy to leave after a year which would be a real possibility with Raymond.

Auburn might be struggling a little because they already got Malzahn on the hot seat, and it's always hard to attract great coordinators when the HC is on the hot seat.

 

[Consigliere]

You're so clever.

So you don't want your coaches to be wanted? WTF is your point?

 

[The Franchise]

Raymond would likely be an outstanding addition as a DB coach. Unfortunately, some of his most vocal advocates have gone wild about his recruiting without presenting evidence of his coaching acumen, which has hurt the discussion.

LSU's rank of schedule: Sagarin rankings from USA Today

2012 - 15th
2013 - 25th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 9th

LSU's pass defense ranking:

2012 - 28th
2013 - 13th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 47th

There are a couple things worth noting here. Raymond took over a unit that ranked in the Top 10 nationally in pass defense in 2011. But two of their starters and their nickel corner were drafted early the following year (Claiborne in the 1st round, Taylor in the 3rd round, and Brooks in the 4th round), which was likely part of the reason why the slipped to a still respectable 28th in 2012.

LSU's secondary regressed this season after improving each year under Raymond's tutelage from 2012-2014. But his body of work at LSU as a whole has been pretty dam good. I'd be excited about landing him. Kuligowski and Raymond would be massive upgrades at two position groups that have had horrifically insufficient coaching for years at this program.

I'd gladly welcome him as DB coach. But the recruiting nerds have made him out to be someone that we should hire as DC and give him anything else he wants just to get him here.

 

[MIATL]

Any chance the defensive slip at LSU has anything to do with John Chavis going to Texas A&M this season?

Raymond would likely be an outstanding addition as a DB coach. Unfortunately, some of his most vocal advocates have gone wild about his recruiting without presenting evidence of his coaching acumen, which has hurt the discussion.

LSU's rank of schedule: Sagarin rankings from USA Today

2012 - 15th
2013 - 25th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 9th

LSU's pass defense ranking:

2012 - 28th
2013 - 13th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 47th

There are a couple things worth noting here. Raymond took over a unit that ranked in the Top 10 nationally in pass defense in 2011. But two of their starters and their nickel corner were drafted early the following year (Claiborne in the 1st round, Taylor in the 3rd round, and Brooks in the 4th round), which was likely part of the reason why they slipped to a still respectable 28th in 2012.

LSU's secondary regressed this season after improving each year under Raymond's tutelage from 2012-2014. But his body of work at LSU as a whole has been pretty dam good. I'd be excited about landing him. Kuligowski and Raymond would be massive upgrades at two position groups that have had horrifically insufficient coaching for years at this program.

 

[01Canes]

Raymond would likely be an outstanding addition as a DB coach. Unfortunately, some of his most vocal advocates have gone wild about his recruiting without presenting evidence of his coaching acumen, which has hurt the discussion.

LSU's rank of schedule: Sagarin rankings from USA Today

2012 - 15th
2013 - 25th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 9th

LSU's pass defense ranking:

2012 - 28th
2013 - 13th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 47th

There are a couple things worth noting here. Raymond took over a unit that ranked in the Top 10 nationally in pass defense in 2011. But two of their starters and their nickel corner were drafted early the following year (Claiborne in the 1st round, Taylor in the 3rd round, and Brooks in the 4th round), which was likely part of the reason why the slipped to a still respectable 28th in 2012.

LSU's secondary regressed this season after improving each year under Raymond's tutelage from 2012-2014. But his body of work at LSU as a whole has been pretty dam good. I'd be excited about landing him. Kuligowski and Raymond would be massive upgrades at two position groups that have had horrifically insufficient coaching for years at this program.

I'd gladly welcome him as DB coach. But the recruiting nerds have made him out to be someone that we should hire as DC and give him anything else he wants just to get him here.

They've gone overboard with that nonsense. If he's willing to come here as the DB coach with a pay bump and some sort of throwaway "co-DC" label as a complement to a proven coordinator, then that would be outstanding. But there's no way in **** we should be going after a coordinator with no Power 5 experience as a DC with the money we appear to be willing to spend on the staff.

If Raymond makes being a DC his hill to die on, then we should move on to the next option. Hopefully he accepts the opportunity to be the DB coach, though.

 

[The Franchise]

Raymond would likely be an outstanding addition as a DB coach. Unfortunately, some of his most vocal advocates have gone wild about his recruiting without presenting evidence of his coaching acumen, which has hurt the discussion.

LSU's rank of schedule: Sagarin rankings from USA Today

2012 - 15th
2013 - 25th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 9th

LSU's pass defense ranking:

2012 - 28th
2013 - 13th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 47th

There are a couple things worth noting here. Raymond took over a unit that ranked in the Top 10 nationally in pass defense in 2011. But two of their starters and their nickel corner were drafted early the following year (Claiborne in the 1st round, Taylor in the 3rd round, and Brooks in the 4th round), which was likely part of the reason why the slipped to a still respectable 28th in 2012.

LSU's secondary regressed this season after improving each year under Raymond's tutelage from 2012-2014. But his body of work at LSU as a whole has been pretty dam good. I'd be excited about landing him. Kuligowski and Raymond would be massive upgrades at two position groups that have had horrifically insufficient coaching for years at this program.

I'd gladly welcome him as DB coach. But the recruiting nerds have made him out to be someone that we should hire as DC and give him anything else he wants just to get him here.

They've gone overboard with that nonsense. If he's willing to come here as the DB coach with a pay bump and some sort of throwaway "co-DC" label as a complement to a proven coordinator, then that would be outstanding. But there's no way in **** we should be going after a coordinator with no Power 5 experience as a DC with the money we appear to be willing to spend on the staff.

If Raymond makes being a DC his hill to die on, then we should move on to the next option. Hopefully he accepts the opportunity to be the DB coach, though.

That's exactly how I see it. Give him whatever goofy title he wants as long as he's not the actual DC and as long as it doesn't stop us from hiring a great DC who doesn't want to be on staff with a co-DC.

 

[cameron97]

LSU chose to hire a guy who gave up 70 points in his last game, instead of promoting Raymond to DC this season.

What makes Raymond ready for a DC job now?

Raymond is a hype beast from the recruiting nerds. Recruiting nerds are on his **** like coke whores gumming their coke dealer out for a bag.

This is what worries me. The recruiting chicks are impeccable when it comes to picking out horrible coaches.

These are the same folks who popped champagne over Coley being hired.

Meanwhile Jimbo was laughing maniacally in the shadows

 

[Cane01]

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Raymond would likely be an outstanding addition as a DB coach. Unfortunately, some of his most vocal advocates have gone wild about his recruiting without presenting evidence of his coaching acumen, which has hurt the discussion.

LSU's rank of schedule: Sagarin rankings from USA Today

2012 - 15th
2013 - 25th
2014 - 5th
2015 - 9th

LSU's pass defense ranking:

2012 - 28th
2013 - 13th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 47th

There are a couple things worth noting here. Raymond took over a unit that ranked in the Top 10 nationally in pass defense in 2011. But two of their starters and their nickel corner were drafted early the following year (Claiborne in the 1st round, Taylor in the 3rd round, and Brooks in the 4th round), which was likely part of the reason why they slipped to a still respectable 28th in 2012.

LSU's secondary regressed this season after improving each year under Raymond's tutelage from 2012-2014. But his body of work at LSU as a whole has been pretty dam good. I'd be excited about landing him. Kuligowski and Raymond would be massive upgrades at two position groups that have had horrifically insufficient coaching for years at this program.

Also lost FS Jalen Mills for half the season. He was limited to 5 games. He is projected as a 2nd round draft pick in the upcoming draft. Could have forced younger guys into action early than they would have liked. Also, pass stats are always closely related to pass rush. LSU only registered 28 sacks this year. A low number for them.

 

[Fightinibis]

If we hire Raymond as a DC (heck even as a DB coach), we better have someone else waiting in the wings to take his place. If he has any type of success, or is offered anything he considers better, he's going to bolt. Good guy, but he won't be here long if he comes imo.


Edit: Let me add, though, that the single life may serve as the "Big Joker" in this situation.

Who gives a *** if a coach leaves? You want your coaches to be wanted.

Auburn fans said the same thing with Muschamp and now they are scrambling. Sure, you want your guys to be wanted. You do not, however, want your guy to leave after a year which would be a real possibility with Raymond.

Well, at least with him there would be the possibility of a promotion from DB coach. Hiring Muschamp as the most expensive DC in the game while he tells you he is God willing between head coaching gigs is semi-******.

If there is zero chance of a DC spending more than a single season with your kids...maybe look at other options.

 

[DeepEyez]

Is it possible that we might have some other coaches around the ACC, SEC, Big 12 that Mark Richt could look to be bring to Miami as the DB coach?

It seems like we've stopped talking about anyone else.

 

[Astcloud11]

Is it possible that we might have some other coaches around the ACC, SEC, Big 12 that Mark Richt could look to be bring to Miami as the DB coach?

It seems like we've stopped talking about anyone else.

Personally...I think we should consider Tim Walton again. He did good his 3 years here. Also, if we some how end up with that Mich. St DC/DB coach, I would like to see Ed Reed on staff to learn some coaching skills/techniques.

 

[TheMatador]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

Va Tech used to have co-DC's.

 

[CANE1775]

If we hire Raymond as a DC (heck even as a DB coach), we better have someone else waiting in the wings to take his place. If he has any type of success, or is offered anything he considers better, he's going to bolt. Good guy, but he won't be here long if he comes imo.


Edit: Let me add, though, that the single life may serve as the "Big Joker" in this situation.

Who gives a *** if a coach leaves? You want your coaches to be wanted.

Auburn fans said the same thing with Muschamp and now they are scrambling. Sure, you want your guys to be wanted. You do not, however, want your guy to leave after a year which would be a real possibility with Raymond.

Auburn might be struggling a little because they already got Malzahn on the hot seat, and it's always hard to attract great coordinators when the HC is on the hot seat.

Most definitely. I guess my main point was some concern about him bolting pretty fast. After reflecting on it, it's not that big of a deal if he's our DB coach, but if we take a risk on him as our DC, it's a huge concern imo. First, because he'll be a first time DC. And second because I think he will be looking around after having the slightest bit of success. He stayed at Indiana for all of a month and then jumped ship to Nebraska. Stayed at Nebraska for a year and then went to his Alma mater. And was at his Alma mater for only a couple of years before rumors started floating that he might leave (which he parlayed into a contract extension) and now those rumors are heating up again that he is looking around.

 

[CANE1775]

You're so clever.

So you don't want your coaches to be wanted? WTF is your point?

I do. Read my post above this one. As I said, it's a concern, and that's what I stated in my original post. Not that I don't want my coaches wanted, but instead that we better have someone lined up because IMO with the least bit of success he'll probably bolt and if his history is taken into account, it could possibly be after one season and for the same position that he's already coaching.

 

[Consigliere]

You're so clever.

So you don't want your coaches to be wanted? WTF is your point?

I do. Read my post above this one. As I said, it's a concern, and that's what I stated in my original post. Not that I don't want my coaches wanted, but instead that we better have someone lined up because IMO with the least bit of success he'll probably bolt and if his history is taken into account, it could possibly be after one season and for the same position that he's already coaching.

It's not a concern, it is bullchit.

 

[CANE1775]

Call it what you want. Agree to disagree.

 

[Jeeperaf]

Not sure I'd want Raymond as Co-DC.... Cut the Co-DC altogether. Just hire a **** DC.

Sure seems to hurt Michigan State and TCU

How does the Co-DC work? I'm confused as to how you actually decide who calls the plays game day, what happens if they disagree with something, who decides on offering recruits, is it really 50-50 split? Not saying it wouldn't work, just confused as to how it works.

I don't know how it works everywhere, but at TCU, for instance, one DC will call the defensive front (blitzes/stunts/etc) and the other will call the secondary's coverage scheme behind it. It's an interesting way to go about it...to add another bit of nuance to it, the DC calling the coverages might call one coverage for one side of the formation and a different one on the other side, so you might have a hybrid man-zone coverage which makes pre-snap reads for the opposing QB an absolute bytch.

See this article that has, indeed, been posted here numerous times: Hard Knocks: Playing Defense With TCU?s Gary Patterson «

Having a hard time wrapping my brain around how DL calls to stop run or pass can effectively, over time, be independent from thendefensive backfiled calls to stop the run or pass.

I'm getting the sense that I'm to tied to the legacy way of doing things and defensive philosophies are passing me by...if it works for the Patriots, who the **** am I to differ right?

So, help me out...

I'm assuming that even if the DL and DB calls are "disconnected", one or the other can limit the damage if one (or both) calls get it "wrong" in matching a given offensive play.

I can get on board with that...am I headed in the right direction?