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DMoney said:
Franklin is a great coach. Penn State was a struggling program before getting exposed as a child rape factory.

It’s amazing how quickly he has turned them into a power. He was good as a Vanderbilt, too.
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He’s a great recruiter. He is a PUTRID x’s & o’s coach. He does however hire great OC’s. He is a bald ***** regardless.
 
I've always admired Petersen and thought he would have led Miami to a NC after Shannon and Golden we're fired.
 
There’s no way James Franklin should be on that list. Willie Taggart is a decent coach. I’ll wait to see what he does with the noles. He’s on this list because he got the fsu job. If he was still at usf or Oregon he wouldn’t be on that list.
 
Franklin was on the chopping block before Morehead and McSorley rescued him. I need to see what he does over the next couple years. But he rubs people the wrong way, which could account for other coaches hammering him anonymously.

Mullen gets way too much love for doing a Folden type thing at MSU. He turned a program that was down into a good team. But that’s a lot easier than going from good to great, and he constantly failed to do that. Never did anything against top level competition in 8 or 9 years. Big sample. No results.
 
Ksoze8 said:
There’s no way James Franklin should be on that list. Willie Taggart is a decent coach. I’ll wait to see what he does with the noles. He’s on this list because he got the fsu job. If he was still at usf or Oregon he wouldn’t be on that list.
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You’re correct that he wouldn’t be on the overrated list. He wouldn’t be rated at all. He took Oregon who never should have been 4-8 to and he was 5-1 when conference play really was started. (Best win during 5-1 was a 4 win Nebraska team by two points)

So that unimpressive resume at a top job lands you on the “overrated” list
 
The Franchise said:
Franklin was on the chopping block before Morehead and McSorley rescued him. I need to see what he does over the next couple years. But he rubs people the wrong way, which could account for other coaches hammering him anonymously.

Mullen gets way too much love for doing a Folden type thing at MSU. He turned a program that was down into a good team. But that’s a lot easier than going from good to great, and he constantly failed to do that. Never did anything against top level competition in 8 or 9 years. Big sample. No results.
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This. This is also what FSU fans and some weird Taggert loving fans on here don’t get. It’s easy to improve a bad team with low expectations. It’s hard to be a real winner
 
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Liberty City El said:
Most overrated coaches imo are Brian Kelly, Kirk Ferentz & Jim Harbaugh.

Most underrated coaches: Gary Patterson, David Shaw & Paul Chryst.

Gary Patteson is one of the top 3-5 coaches in college football imo.

People may not like him but James Franklin is a pretty **** good coach. He actually won 9 games back to back at Vanderbilt, you know how hard that is to do at Vandy? He even beat Richt in 2013, he deserves respect for what he's done thus far.

Also, people sleep on David Shaw because they say Harbaugh created the foundation, but Harbaugh hasn't been at Stanford since 2011 & he was only 29-21 there, so it's not like Shaw is winning with a bunch of Harbaugh recruits. Shaw is 73-22 since becoming HC & has won 3 Pac-12 titles while putting multiple great players in the NFL despite handing out the least amount of offers of any D1 program.

Maybe people forgot, but Stanford wasn't built by Harbaugh, they were a viable program during the Bill Walsh era & came back on the scene during the Tyrone Willingham era, Harbaugh does deserve credit for his 3 years there no doubt, but he gets a little too much credit.
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Shaw is consistently excellent at a place with real actual academic impediments unlike places like Puke and Michigan that trumpet their fake academic prestige while letting anyone who can read at a 3rd grade level in to play football. He’s exceeded Hypebaugh at Stanford.

Also, love your call on Chryst. He is probably a top 5 HC in college football right now. Consistently excellent while getting mostly scraps in recruiting.
 
KevinCaneFace said:
This. This is also what FSU fans and some weird Taggert loving fans on here don’t get. It’s easy to improve a bad team with low expectations. It’s hard to be a real winner
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Tagfart is eerily similar to Folden. And FSU fans are currently making all the same excuses we made for Folden for a couple years.

I’ve heard a bunch of coaches say it’s fairly easy with hard work alone to take a team from 4 or 5 wins to 8 or 9. The hard part is getting over that good/decent hump and beat some top teams.
 
KWConch said:
Love someone threw Satan in there and added the cheating remark....just goes to show everyone knows he’s cheating but can’t or won’t say anything because they are probably doing it too albeit on a much smaller scale.
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Saban's not just cheating in recruiting though, he's basically Belichick with no oversight. Bama's sign and signal stealing game is even better than their bag game.


Remember, it's not Saban, it's the 'Saban plantation.'


The idea is to never play any OOC road games, manage to drop one game every year but be forgiven for it because you're 'Bama', and have four dozen 'analysts' to pick up on the other team's tendencies and signals by game's end.
 
Artist Formerly Known As said:
How much he’s paid has nothing to do with it.

Overpaid, yes, but no one puts Ferentz in the elite ranks when talking about coaches.

Iowa is an Illinois, Indiana level program when it comes to location and resources, but they’ve been more successful.
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You're completely off about the resources. They're a top 20 athletic program revenue and expenditure-wise. They're ahead of programs like Washington, Nebraska, Clemson, etc:

USA TODAY Sports

The geography excuse is a copout too. Nebraska, Michigan State, Utah, etc could all claim that too.

And Ferentz's salary absolutely factors in because you absolutely should be getting better results if you're willing to pay at that level.
 
The Franchise said:
Also, love your call on Chryst. He is probably a top 5 HC in college football right now. Consistently excellent while getting mostly scraps in recruiting.
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I don't know about top 5. Bielema was doing the same business at Wisky. Wouldn't put him ahead of Saban, Meyer, Swinney, Petersen, Patterson, Gundy, Richt, Shaw, Dantonio, or Chip Kelly. Maybe somewhere after that in the 11-15 range.
 
Artist Formerly Known As said:
I doubt many coaches could have the same success as Ferentz’s has had at Iowa.
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Hayden Fry had them boys rolling ( for Iowa), he had some really good teams. HF defintely had some double figure win seasons. That squad with Tim Dwight and the rb Banks was really good. I know he had a 10-1 record in the 80’s.

Iowa isn’t a horrible job , Ferentz has been average imo.
 
Cribby said:
Hayden Fry had them boys rolling ( for Iowa), he had some really good teams. HF defintely had some double figure win seasons. That squad with Tim Dwight and the rb Banks was really good. I know he had a 10-1 record in the 80’s.

Iowa isn’t a horrible job , Ferentz has been average imo.
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Ferentz has a sweet gig. Top money, low expectations, and no concern about job security.
 
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QuatroCane said:
Throw in the fact that his buy-out is north of 20mil, yes 20.
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And every few years his agent would leak out nfl teams wanting him, then get another raise.

I never understood them paying that much for mediocrity.
 
Liberty City El said:
Most overrated coaches imo are Brian Kelly, Kirk Ferentz & Jim Harbaugh.

Most underrated coaches: Gary Patterson, David Shaw & Paul Chryst.

Gary Patteson is one of the top 3-5 coaches in college football imo.

People may not like him but James Franklin is a pretty **** good coach. He actually won 9 games back to back at Vanderbilt, you know how hard that is to do at Vandy? He even beat Richt in 2013, he deserves respect for what he's done thus far.

Also, people sleep on David Shaw because they say Harbaugh created the foundation, but Harbaugh hasn't been at Stanford since 2011 & he was only 29-21 there, so it's not like Shaw is winning with a bunch of Harbaugh recruits. Shaw is 73-22 since becoming HC & has won 3 Pac-12 titles while putting multiple great players in the NFL despite handing out the least amount of offers of any D1 program.

Maybe people forgot, but Stanford wasn't built by Harbaugh, they were a viable program during the Bill Walsh era & came back on the scene during the Tyrone Willingham era, Harbaugh does deserve credit for his 3 years there no doubt, but he gets a little too much credit.
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Standford has some past success prior to Harbaugh’s arrival, true, it were awful under Buddy Teevens and Walt Harris. Harris was 1-11 his last season. Tyrone Willingham made them competitive. He was 44-36, 1-3 in bowls, and his best year was 1999 when we won an outright PAC-10 title, the program’s first since 1970 (the Jim Plunkett era).

Harbaugh beat #1 USC on the road as a 41-point underdog. Went 3-1 vs USC and Pete Carroll. He inherited a 1-11 team left four years later as a 11-1 and Top 5 ranked program.

I think Shaw is an elite coach and he’s excelled after Harbaugh left. I’ll correct my earlier statement that it remains to be seen if Shaw can keep Stanford an annual PAC12 contender. He has won three conference championships. Fortunately for Stanford he seems like a lifer.

NOTE: I’d love to see Miami schedule a home-and-home with Stanford.
 
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