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Coach Propst on UGA cheating

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
It’s not that far-fetched that boosters that pay off players would be known. It’s not like the mafia where people get killed. Eventually these guys have to show up and make payments.

As Rush Propst biggest fan on this board, I’m surprised you so readily brush his remarks off.

As you have said many times he is the best high school coach, probably of all time.

Maybe better than most very good college coaches. This guy should know what’s going on. Don’t you think?
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Rush Propst is a great coach but that doesn't make him a honest man. Rush lying doesn't mean UGA isn't pay players or didn't pay Chubb. I am only pointing out that Propst had a lot of reasons to lie to the President of the Touchdown Club. Rush knows how football works but in typical Rush fashion he was trying to push the envelope. Typically a coach will line parents up with a job and that is how the move is made. This isn't new in Georgia and has been going on for at least 50 years. Small town football is big for local economies so finding parents a job typically isn't a big deal. Rush was aiming big and wanted the booster club to directly pay Garcia's dad. Rush was justifying the way he was wanting to run Valdosta by making **** up.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I take a different meesage from that anecdote. It makes no difference how many offers they give out. That’s tactics, not strategy. Thry still only get 25 ICs, and however many OVs the NCAA permits. They don’t randomly take commitments from whoever responds to their ‘offer’. They don’t send commitment papers to everyone they offer. The key to evals is deciding how to build a class. Who to take. Every school has more choices than spots, because that’s the natire of goving away scholarships. Their choices may be better than ours, but they still can pick poorly.
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They also have the biggest recruiting department in the country. Its easy to be "picky"when your being picky with other 5 star guys. They aint taking late flyers like Zion Nelson ( he is a good recruiting eval). My man for example...Jordan Battle. He was the top dog db in south florida...he was lightly even recruited or looked at by them...he was a high priority kid in state and they had him as a late flier.. offered him in November b4 early signing period. lol

You can still pick poorly..but check out the top dogs in the recruiting rankings every year they likely are the crew in the top 10 at the end of the year. I rather pick poorly between 4 -5 stars than Nate Dortch's of the world.
 
Andrew said:
Rush Propst is a great coach but that doesn't make him a honest man. Rush lying doesn't mean UGA isn't pay players or didn't pay Chubb. I am only pointing out that Propst had a lot of reasons to lie to the President of the Touchdown Club. Rush knows how football works but in typical Rush fashion he was trying to push the envelope. Typically a coach will line parents up with a job and that is how the move is made. This isn't new in Georgia and has been going on for at least 50 years. Small town football is big for local economies so finding parents a job typically isn't a big deal. Rush was aiming big and wanted the booster club to directly pay Garcia's dad. Rush was justifying the way he was wanting to run Valdosta by making **** up.
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There is a lot of cash being disbursed to players and families. Jobs happen of course. But those can be more visible in college football. Straight cash is sometimes just easier.
 
gogeta4 said:
They also have the biggest recruiting department in the country. Its easy to be "picky"when your being picky with other 5 star guys. They aint taking late flyers like Zion Nelson ( he is a good recruiting eval). My man for example...Jordan Battle. He was the top dog db in south florida...he was lightly even recruited or looked at by them...he was a high priority kid in state and they had him as a late flier.. offered him in November b4 early signing period. lol

You can still pick poorly..but check out the top dogs in the recruiting rankings every year they likely are the crew in the top 10 at the end of the year. I rather pick poorly between 4 -5 stars than Nate Dortch's of the world.
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But isn't that Bama's MO anyway, to draw out the evaluation process and if the kids a take they offer late? Remember reading that somewhere...
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
But isn't that Bama's MO anyway, to draw out the evaluation process and if the kids a take they offer late? Remember reading that somewhere...
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They aint drawing out the evaluation process at all. They blindly offer alot of kids with uncommittable offers. They then get to see them in camp or in person and get a legit offer depending on how they do.

What could they have been possibly evaluating with Jordan Battle in late November. He wasnt a lowly ranked kid..he was committed to Ohio State at the time. (Who produces the same or more dbs than them). They missed on a kid from Texas i believe and double back to Battle.
 
You also have to realize that on top of all the advantages Bama has financially when it comes to recruiting budget and bags they also have another huge advantage. And that’s the no feelings advantage. Saban can pull an offer, force player to de commit or just plain drop them, offer at the last minute, offer early then pull it late, and nothing will happen and no hard feeling or repercussions from any coach or teammate of whatever player or school he fcked over. Those mfers don’t even have to worry if a player commits somewhere else cause they can just flip them.

How many posters have to come on here and remind us “if we don’t offer, if we don’t reach out, or we better not offer another dude, we better not drop this guy or bad mojo is gonna happen”.
Every freaking decision comes under a microscope of the potential damage it can do.
We can’t even wait for a senior film to come out cause “we slow played”.

The past 2 cycles Bama has been deep into the cycle and ranked like in the 30’s then comes out swinging and in less than 2 weeks shoots up into the top 5.

We wait that long and take our time to evaluate and we’re lucky to sneak into the top 20.
I know they’re in that position for a reason but it’s still a huge advantage.
 
gogeta4 said:
Just by quick glance...Donta Hightower, Ryan Kelly, Marcell Dareus were 4 star recruits. Greg Mcelroy was like Texas player of the year
Cody was a juco kid and they arent ever ranked properly like that.

Josh Jacobs yup i think he was a good eval for them. Alot of those guys you listed were 4 star recruits.
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Fringe 4 star recruits, bro. Come on, man. McElroy was a 3 star player, period. U can’t be throwing in stipulations to fit a narrative. Cody was a JUCO player that wasn’t ranked properly?? Lol. Is that what we’re going to do?? Lol. This is the same chit ppl were saying about Simmons...saying well he wasn’t ranked properly & was listed as one of the top 2 players in KS, so it wasn’t that much of an eval for Dabo. Lol

Bro, Saban has a whole fleet of guys peepin film all day long...minions reporting back to him at HS games. It’s a whole process & he picked Butch’s brain on it.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Fringe 4 star recruits, bro. Come on, man. McElroy was a 3 star player, period. U can’t be throwing in stipulations to fit a narrative. Cody was a JUCO player that wasn’t ranked properly?? Lol. Is that what we’re going to do?? Lol. This is the same chit ppl were saying about Simmons...saying well he wasn’t ranked properly & was listed as one of the top 2 players in KS, so it wasn’t that much of an eval for Dabo. Lol

Bro, Saban has a whole fleet of guys peepin film all day long...minions reporting back to him at HS games. It’s a whole process & he picked Butch’s brain on it.
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JUCO players arent given 4 and 5 star rankings then, . They may now but i know it didnt work like that..its not the same ranking system for them.most of them get a base 3 star rating

What is a fringe 4 star...those kids were 4 star recruits.

Bama isnt unearthing guys bro. No matter whatever magic fairy dust or deer antler you think they have. Again Greg Mcelroy was TX Player of the year at a Power House program in TX. (Also the time period he was from they werent hitting on sh*t at qb...in fact its kind of recent for them at qb with the talent level they get) @TheSwagger1 what was MCELROY'S DEAL THEN WAS HE A BIG DEAL OUT YOUR WAY?.

Check there class this year.
the 3 stars in their class are two NOSE TACKLES and a HBACK. In the last 3 years they have taken like 5 or 6 sleeper 3 star type kids.
 
gogeta4 said:
They also have the biggest recruiting department in the country.
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That’s part of my point. When I say they’re good at evals, I don’t mean they’re good guessers. They know what they’re looking for, know how to find answers, and put in the work. They have real process infrastructure behind recruiting. I’ve been yelling this from the rooftops around here for years. Evals is a bit art but it’s a lot of science and effort. We may not be able to hire nfl head coaches to be analysts, but we could probably invest 750K a year towards data analytics and evals, and direct it towards recruiting, player development and scouting. Would be money well spent. Remember, we have a narrower pond to fish in so we can be more focused in our application of resources. It’s actually hard to do what they do and be a national recruiter.

gogeta4 said:
Its easy to be "picky"when your being picky with other 5 star guys. They aint taking late flyers like Zion Nelson ( he is a good recruiting eval). My man for example...Jordan Battle. He was the top dog db in south florida...he was lightly even recruited or looked at by them...he was a high priority kid in state and they had him as a late flier.. offered him in November b4 early signing period. lol

You can still pick poorly..but check out the top dogs in the recruiting rankings every year they likely are the crew in the top 10 at the end of the year. I rather pick poorly between 4 -5 stars than Nate Dortch's of the world.
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I think people forget that it’s easy to pick badly amongst highly rated kids also. The odds may be better but there are still plenty of bad fits. They clearly know what they want and need and how to assess. I obviously appreciate that you have to adjust the results for the talent inputs, but UM’s record with highly rated recruits the past 15 years has been pretty dismal. Alabama has more choices but they still need to choose well.
 
gogeta4 said:
JUCO players arent given 4 and 5 star rankings then, . They may now but i know it didnt work like that..its not the same ranking system for them.most of them get a base 3 star rating

What is a fringe 4 star...those kids were 4 star recruits.

Bama isnt unearthing guys bro. No matter whatever magic fairy dust or deer antler you think they have. Again Greg Mcelroy was TX Player of the year at a Power House program in TX. (Also the time period he was from they werent hitting on sh*t at qb...in fact its kind of recent for them at qb with the talent level they get) @TheSwagger1 what was MCELROY'S DEAL THEN WAS HE A BIG DEAL OUT YOUR WAY?.

Check there class this year.
the 3 stars in their class are two NOSE TACKLES and a HBACK. In the last 3 years they have taken like 5 or 6 sleeper 3 star type kids.
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Juco players have gotten star ratings for a long time. Remember tyler mcmeans, 5* juco from lackawanna?

fringe 4* would be a low rated 4*. Not commenting on individual kids but not all kids of a certain star rating are equally ranked. Rivals, for example, had]s tiers within the star rungs.

i do agree that their focus isn’t and shouldn’t be on unearthing guys no one has heard of. That would be a bad use pf resources for saban and he’s not a dummy.
 
gogeta4 said:
They aint drawing out the evaluation process at all. They blindly offer alot of kids with uncommittable offers. They then get to see them in camp or in person and get a legit offer depending on how they do.

What could they have been possibly evaluating with Jordan Battle in late November. He wasnt a lowly ranked kid..he was committed to Ohio State at the time. (Who produces the same or more dbs than them). They missed on a kid from Texas i believe and double back to Battle.
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Looks to me like you’re saying the same thing. Offers are meaningless. You agree. They offer then evaluate, more or less. And they often drag out evaluations until they know their options better.
 
gogeta4 said:
JUCO players arent given 4 and 5 star rankings then, . They may now but i know it didnt work like that..its not the same ranking system for them.most of them get a base 3 star rating

What is a fringe 4 star...those kids were 4 star recruits.

Bama isnt unearthing guys bro. No matter whatever magic fairy dust or deer antler you think they have. Again Greg Mcelroy was TX Player of the year at a Power House program in TX. (Also the time period he was from they werent hitting on sh*t at qb...in fact its kind of recent for them at qb with the talent level they get) @TheSwagger1 what was MCELROY'S DEAL THEN WAS HE A BIG DEAL OUT YOUR WAY?.

Check there class this year.
the 3 stars in their class are two NOSE TACKLES and a HBACK. In the last 3 years they have taken like 5 or 6 sleeper 3 star type kids.
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1. Well this yr is kinda hard to judge being that they are defending Nat’l Champions, & just had a historic recruiting class. 🤷🏾‍♂️

2. They been given out 4 stars for JUCO players. Dean was a 4 star

3. So here’s my question, why didn’t we unearth these JUCO players? How do we end up w/ a Michael Wyche but Bama ends up w/ a Cody? How do we end up w/ a Dean & Bama ends up w/ a DeQuan Menzie? How does Bama end up w/ Chance Warmack & we end up w/ Kai-Leon Herbert? Since u wanna nit-pick about what a fringe 4 star means, fine....we can do that. HOW IN THE FCK do we end up w/ McCloud & Bama ends up w/ Hightower? Both are 4 star guys, right? Oh, let me guess...247 messed that up, too, huh? How do we end up w/ Jeremiah Payton & Bama ends up w/ Metchie? How do we end up w/ Jovani Haskins but Bama ends up w/ Irv Smith? How do we end up w/ Sunny O, but Bama ends up w/ Bradley Bozeman?

Cuddy, I can go on & on w/ how we’ve recruited higher ranked players than Bama, w/o the same dividends. Again, ur hatred is blinding u to logic. U talking about Greg being the TX player of the year...my ***** we’ve had Mr Football Jacory Harris as our QB, boy. We’ve had Mr Football Robert Marve come through! We’ve had Jack Allison come through. We’ve had N’Kosi Perry come through. We’ve had Olsen come through. We’re talking NATIONAL All-Americans....BLUE CHIP guys, and u wanna push a narrative about 3 star Greg Mac??

U’re better than this, dog. We’re all entitled to our feelings, but let’s be real...Bama’s evals are not Coker’s. Once upon a time we just welcomed any 5/4 star player w/o evaluating chit. The results? We got chit. And never will I knock a program that can recruit nationally & get any top ranked player to come. That used to be us; we locked down home then cherry picked. That’s the way WINNING programs operate.
 
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caneinorlando said:
They do when it's funneled through a Church as in what Clemson is doing...
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They don’t. LSU had a booster funnel money through a charity, get busted, go to jail for it and not a thing happened from the NCAA, on top of all of the other issues. Literally handed to the NCAA on a platter... caviar, lobster, choice of pacific or northeast oysters, and the NCAA said no thanks.
 
gogeta4 said:
JUCO players arent given 4 and 5 star rankings then, . They may now but i know it didnt work like that..its not the same ranking system for them.most of them get a base 3 star rating

What is a fringe 4 star...those kids were 4 star recruits.

Bama isnt unearthing guys bro. No matter whatever magic fairy dust or deer antler you think they have. Again Greg Mcelroy was TX Player of the year at a Power House program in TX. (Also the time period he was from they werent hitting on sh*t at qb...in fact its kind of recent for them at qb with the talent level they get) @TheSwagger1 what was MCELROY'S DEAL THEN WAS HE A BIG DEAL OUT YOUR WAY?.

Check there class this year.
the 3 stars in their class are two NOSE TACKLES and a HBACK. In the last 3 years they have taken like 5 or 6 sleeper 3 star type kids.
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He was all over Khalil Mack and Antonio Brown they just had better relationships with the other staffs and Saban struck out.
Some people just think that man can do no wrong. Just like we miss out on underrated beasts from sofla so does he. That school isn’t digging up under rocks finding diamonds in the rough.
Saban is vip bottle service at e11even and can sit there and scope out all the talent and pick who he wants. He sure as **** ain’t in the kitchen asking some chick to take off her apron to see if maybe he can put her in the gym to see what she can maybe turn into a dime. And that’s basically what we did to GR
 
ddann said:
Dude had a huge, wide body...and short little T-Rex arms. How he was rated a 5-star, I will never understand.
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Yeah it was some silly hype because lackawanna/mckinnie, and because he was a marine and older. He just wasn't good. But he probably did dominate juco opponents.
 
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