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Coach Propst on UGA cheating

AtlAtty said:
Agreed. But those SEC boosters are so loyal to their schools that they would rather take a bullet for their team and keep their mouths shut than squeal to save themselves from any repercussions. Our boosters seem to be more about Miami than UM. I don’t trust our boosters if push came to shove
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Another way to look at it is they’re more scared of their peers than their government. The fbi won’t execute you for lying, just jail you (and smear you and jail your family and ruin them). Offer to throw Alabama football under the bus and you may discover a real bullet.
 
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caneinorlando said:
Not necessarily...but in this particular case...He's 100% Spot on....
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The truth comes out I don't get why people don't believe it he has nothing to gain. Same like Nevin pushed to a corner they squeal. 90% chance Nothing will happen and 99.999999% chance nothing will ever happen to Bama cause of Saban.

It's so obvious that these stories are true that's why kids decisions be never making sense and are all over the place. Only reason it makes sense now to pick bama cause they already have been winning by cheating. In 09 it didn't make sense to go there and all of a sudden they getting top classes? Miss me with the Saban development bs story he ain't develop **** in NFL when he was there....he quit as soon as he couldn't recruit.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Another way to look at it is they’re more scared of their peers than their government. The fbi won’t execute you for lying, just jail you (and smear you and jail your family and ruin them). Offer to throw Alabama football under the bus and you may discover a real bullet.
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Ain't dat da cotton pickin truth!
 
biggee04 said:
Dude is a cheater...he's cheated and gets caught every time...seems like he would no by now...he cheated here in Bama...he was banned in Alabama, it maybe lifted now..
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Cheater or not.....it had NOTHING to do with the CFB Landscape like Saban...Smart..etc....
 
Let’s be very clear; EVERY SCHOOL HAS INCENTIVES.

Some r just on the low, while others r egregious w/ it. Smaller town areas where CFB funds their entire lives are going to be way dirtier than bigger cities, but did u not see what happened at SC to secure Bush? U think Bush was the only one broke off? No; it was that Bush’s ppl got caught up & he became the poster child of “dirty recruiting” @ SC.

This chit happens at the high school levels, too. I got stories for days about how all of these Catholic, private schools all of sudden became good, as ninjas from the hood could “afford” to go said schools.

Anyone thinking any big time program w/in the good ole boys network is going to suffer from this is naive af.
-UNC w/ the cheating scandal....what? One season “removed” from history & the FB coach fired, not the BB coach!
-Ole Miss....what? A scholly reduction for a yr or two?
-LSU *** scandal....what? A reduction of scholly?
-PSU child molestation ring....what? A removal of a name?
-Bama’s kids flashing money & brand new cars....what? Self reported “recruiting violations” & a that-a-boy pat on the back? -Nebraska’s WC connection....what? Nothing.

Get a clue....CFB is a business, and it’s a dirty business. The only time it’s a concern is when programs that crash the party (SMU, Miami, SC) and start interfering w/ what the good ole boys clubs got going on, then it’s a call for the Death Penalty. Only time the good ole boys club get touched is when overwhelming evidence that can’t be swept under the rug comes out. The only reason Ole Miss even got love tapped was b/c Tunsil, in a high state, snitched on the Internet. That couldn’t be ignored.

Having a thread about this does nothing. Chop it up to the game. Go watch “The Program” or “Blue Chips” to see how colleges work. These schools in small towns put food on the table for not just the athlete, but the cities...and these boosters will do anything to keep that going.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Another way to look at it is they’re more scared of their peers than their government. The fbi won’t execute you for lying, just jail you (and smear you and jail your family and ruin them). Offer to throw Alabama football under the bus and you may discover a real bullet.
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Too true.
 
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Boarcane said:
Alabama is an elite operation. The way they take care of the kids and families is next level. Clemson is a close second. Clemson is sloppy now. They aren’t quiet about it anymore. They both do a great job. Alabama’s recruiting rankings proves my point. Second isn’t bad, but it’s not the same. They both know who they want. Alabama isn’t exactly random lol Not really sure what that “specific about who they target comment was about”. Alabama’s ability to travel with family and friends and pay for everyone every dam week is something Clemson still can’t do like them. It’s just the best ever.
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Clemson doesnt recruit like Bama. They are more specific in their recruiting and offers...every 5 star in the country has a bama offer.
Whatever Clemson has done i would consider BETTER...as Clemson had no football history or any kind and voila look where they are at. Bama has been paying for kids for decades ..even before saban. Its not some highly secretive thing, sophisticated, or elite. They are just awarded protection being a cash cow in the sec.

Lol @ Clemson being sloppy now....They had guys talking about money years ago...Remember when Dwayne Allen slipped up lol. Who really thought they out recruited anyone for Sammy Watkins out of Fort Myers?.
 
blushrts said:
This. I live in Central PA and saw tons of comments about "what will this do to the town?" when the Sandusky stuff broke.
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Yup...I remeber Emmert said it Himself, the only reason He didn't snuff PSU was because it was the only show in town. But His *** was ready to bury us before the PSU stuff came out though.
 
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gogeta4 said:
Lol @ Clemson being sloppy now....They had guys talking about money years ago...Remember when Dwayne Allen slipped up lol. Who really thought they out recruited anyone for Sammy Watkins out of Fort Myers?.
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Yeah but Allen is one dude, Tennessee was literally handing out brown paper bags full of cash and was wide open with it.
 
gogeta4 said:
Clemson doesnt recruit like Bama. They are more specific in their recruiting and offers...every 5 star in the country has a bama offer.
Whatever Clemson has done i would consider BETTER...as Clemson had no football history or any kind and voila look where they are at. Bama has been paying for kids for decades ..even before saban. Its not some highly secretive thing, sophisticated, or elite. They are just awarded protection being a cash cow in the sec.

Lol @ Clemson being sloppy now....They had guys talking about money years ago...Remember when Dwayne Allen slipped up lol. Who really thought they out recruited anyone for Sammy Watkins out of Fort Myers?.
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Alabama’s evaluations are by far the best in the country. They both do about as good a job at recognizing talent as anyone. Outside of Ohio State, I can’t think of another school on their level. I’m glad you prefer Clemson’s way. I disagree that they are more specific or somehow better. We all are entitled to our opinions. I would simply argue that Alabama can have anyone they’d like. They certainly don’t throw out a ton of offers and wait to see who bites. If you truly believe that, I won’t try to change your mind.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
Yeah but Allen is one dude, Tennessee was literally handing out brown paper bags full of cash and was wide open with it.
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Allen was one dude that said on accident on tv this:
Where did Tenn coach come from who was brown paper bagging it?
 
Boarcane said:
Alabama’s evaluations are by far the best in the country. They both do about as good a job at recognizing talent as anyone. Outside of Ohio State, I can’t think of another school on their level. I’m glad you prefer Clemson’s way. I disagree that they are more specific or somehow better. We all are entitled to our opinions. I would simply argue that Alabama can have anyone they’d like. They certainly don’t throw out a ton of offers and wait to see who bites. If you truly believe that, I won’t try to change your mind.
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They’re both good, just go at it differently, with different resources. I think Alabama’s evals are terrific. Clemson’s too. But Clemson is looking for a harder to find thing because of necessity. They aren’t over the top on talent as Alabama is. And their balance of talent and culture strikes me as harder to maintain. But they’re both terrific at finding what they’re looking for. I have been vocal in complimenting Alabama’s evals around here when folks just want to think it’s easy to pick and choose at their level.
 
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Boarcane said:
Alabama’s evaluations are by far the best in the country. They both do about as good a job at recognizing talent as anyone. Outside of Ohio State, I can’t think of another school on their level. I’m glad you prefer Clemson’s way. I disagree that they are more specific or somehow better. We all are entitled to our opinions. I would simply argue that Alabama can have anyone they’d like. They certainly don’t throw out a ton of offers and wait to see who bites. If you truly believe that, I won’t try to change your mind.
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BAMA offers every 5 star...what evaluation and "recognizing talent" you speaking on?. lol
Show me an eval of theres even Isaiah Simmons level that Clemson had?. How tf hard is it to evaluate 6'2 190 pd 4.4 running Patrick Surtain Jr?. Or offering the top wr in south florida and florida every year?.

SI ARTICLE IN 2019

"Over the last eight years, Alabama is the only perennial national title contender to land in the top 20 of offers, sitting 18th with an average of 220 per year. Saban’s offer strategy has evolved over the years, as the Crimson Tide have gone from extending 203 offers in 2015 to 287 this year. Saban has company. The SEC leads all conferences in offers per cycle (229 per year per team), significantly outpacing the conference whose teams average the fewest offers, the Big 12 (158"

Not hard to eval when your all in on all the 5 stars across the country. Clemson took a wr from here last class that i dont think we should/would offer...and took an ol from down here that we previously passed on as well.
 
I have to say that I'm incredibly conflicted when it comes to this stuff.

Double standards always eat at me, no matter the situation. So naturally, I hate how Miami has been branded a dirty program while the blue blood schools continue to operate in plain sight.

On the other hand, this is essentially a market correction in what's obviously a racket of the highest proportions. I recognize that the money and benefits these programs pay out has likely done some good for a lot of families.

I digress...
 
Ethnicsands said:
They’re both good, just go at it differently, with different resources. I think Alabama’s evals are terrific. Clemson’s too. But Clemson is looking for a harder to find thing because of necessity. They aren’t over the top on talent as Alabama is. And their balance of talent and culture strikes me as harder to maintain. But they’re both terrific at finding what they’re looking for. I have been vocal in complimenting Alabama’s evals around here when folks just want to think it’s easy to pick and choose at their level.
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It sort of is for them.

Clemson has finally reached that territory. Seen it with last class, they slow play or dont recruit a local kid at all. Miss on a few of their targets and offer the kid and he commits within a week.

HUGE RECRUITING DEPARTMENTS....HUGE RECRUITING BUDGETS..Its pick and choose for them.

The difference in recruiting from our run in early 2000s to what goes on now is clear. We had our shot to be similar...but we had Coker as a head coach. We still wouldnt have been to their level due to circumstance (Every school recruits our recruiting base, recruiting dirty game, poor admin) but our run would have been longer.
 
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