Clear this up or confirm it for me.

[jerzeycane]

I understand they have a nickel... But the point i was trying to make was once the box thins out and WRs come on the field, the jumble and confusion of where the extra rusher comes from is negated. And then you're back to who can beat their man.

The entire point of his scheme is to:

1) Create confusion

2) Create one on one matchups

That's from the horses mouth

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

Thats fine but against three and 4 WR sets and a light box where is the confusion conning from?

Then u leave LBs on the feild for schemes sake? Or do u blitz DBs and give up hot reads and crossers?

 

[Cribby]

Thats fine but against three and 4 WR sets and a light box where is the confusion conning from?

Then u leave LBs on the feild for schemes sake? Or do u blitz DBs and give up hot reads and crossers?

You do the same thing a 4-3 does , take a lb off and add a db. A 3-3-5 is just a nickel for a 3-4.

 

[MIATL]

Interesting what he says about his family in the opening statement.
Dave Aranda Press Conference 1/14/2015 - YouTube

That's ALMOST ALWAYS the overlooked variable in these coaching debates. And it's bigger than some are willing to give it credit for being in the decision making process.

Guys with families really have to feel like their is a fit and some longevity that goes along with moving their wife and kids. Single coaches, or coaches without kids in their house, don't have to consider as much. But the kid equation, even more than the wife, matters. Especially if it just for a lateral move ...

And it's not just about money, IMO.

 

[SinisterCane]

Remember these two programs killers: Donna Shalala and Shawn Eichorst. No more Wisconsin hires

 

[Hurricanemike32]

Remember these two programs killers: Donna Shalala and Shawn Eichorst. No more Wisconsin hires

What an absolutely ridiculous thread. I can't think of many people who would be a better hire than Dave Aranda. He would literally be a grand slam hire...I don't care where he is currently coaching. He had no problem shutting down USC last night who has SUPERIOR athletes to what Wisconsin has in their program.

If you don't want Aranda who would you be happy with?

 

[SinisterCane]

Remember these two programs killers: Donna Shalala and Shawn Eichorst. No more Wisconsin hires

What an absolutely ridiculous thread. I can't think of many people who would be a better hire than Dave Aranda. He would literally be a grand slam hire...I don't care where he is currently coaching. He had no problem shutting down USC last night who has SUPERIOR athletes to what Wisconsin has in their program.

If you don't want Aranda who would you be happy with?

Brian VanGorder

 

[sfowler06]

Fvck, I hate the idiots on this board.

 

[SinisterCane]

Fvck, I hate the idiots on this board.

Feel free to **** in your hand and eat it

 

[Gatorhater]

I don't care about the 34 because ON PAPER i understand it's advantages. I've played in both. I think the B1G offenses are the reason for his success.

He didn't GET the usc job so.... Now what... Suck in lumberjack country

And Butch's success with the 4-3 came against the Big Least.

What's your point?

It was JJ's 4-3 and it worked against everybody.

 

[KANE]

I don't care about the 34 because ON PAPER i understand it's advantages. I've played in both. I think the B1G offenses are the reason for his success.

He didn't GET the usc job so.... Now what... Suck in lumberjack country

And Butch's success with the 4-3 came against the Big Least.

What's your point?

It was JJ's 4-3 and it worked against everybody.

Not sure if serious, but Parcels' 3-4 looked good vs. everybody. Carrol's 3-4 looked/looks pretty **** good, too. Look guys, both defenses have been proven to work. We just had 2 dumbasses trying to run it here, not knowing that they had a built in advantage with local speed. If they coulda figured out what they had on their hands, they woulda played more of the 1 gap version. Instead of fattening up our kids and taking away our ONE advantage. Speed.

 

[PSU Cane]

Thats fine but against three and 4 WR sets and a light box where is the confusion conning from?

Then u leave LBs on the feild for schemes sake? Or do u blitz DBs and give up hot reads and crossers?

The confusion comes from the offense trying to figure out where the 4th rusher is coming from. Even in a 3-3-5 set, there is always a threat of a 4th rusher is coming from somewhere....the OLBs wide or the ILB up the A/B gaps. If you can overload one of of the Oline with 2 down linemen and 1 blitzer, you have a 3-on-3 matchup, which is the best you can ask for against a spread.

If you go dime, you can drop a safety into the box to play robber coverage and help support the run. Yes, it's light and susceptible to the run, but that's when you run games upfront like slanting.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

335 as a nickel still leaves a 3rd LB in against a passing set while taking away a bigger body in the box.

Moot point

 

[jerzeycane]

335 as a nickel still leaves a 3rd LB in against a passing set while taking away a bigger body in the box.

Moot point

Son you really in here trying to argue the merits of an odd front like the best defensive coaches of all time haven't run odd fronts.

Bravo. Bring more.

Gary Patterson has this **** all wrong.

You've figured out the secrets.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

AL ran a read and react defense. Aranda is all about confusing the o line and bringing pressure while creating one on one matchups. Quite a big difference.


What a hilarious thread. You're blaming the guy for coaching in the big ten.. When it's better than the Acc and head and shoulders above the coastal.

Goldens defense wasn't a failure becuase it's "meant for slower players", it was a failure because we got absolutely no pressure to the quarterback. If we did his tenure would have been very different here. Nothing about Aranda screams out slow big ten, if anything they would have to be fast in order for the d lineman and backers to rush the way they do.

Also Wisconsin didn't look slow against usc last night. Aranda is elite his defense speaks for itself. I just don't think he comes here because I haven't heard anything legitimate about it even being an option. He also interviewed for the green Bay Packers job earlier this year so he may be trying to go NFL

This x a million. People need to stop with this myth that Golden failed because he ran a Big 10 style defense. There are some **** good defenses in the Big 10. Golden failed because he ran a horrible (and arguably outdated) passive defensive scheme that is not suited for college kids who have never played in this type of scheme and have limited practice time to learn it. Isn't it odd that the players changed throughout the Golden era yet the one constant excuse heard from Golden himself that players blew coverage and missed assignments? Well whose fault is it if players are still missing assignments after 5 years?

Golden was also a bad talent evaluator, horrible developer of talent, and he hired horrible assistants for the most part. Let's stop extrapolating that to mean any coach from the Big 10 would be equally as incompetent in all areas of coaching.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

Im giving my OPINION and my logic.UNLIKE a lot of ppl Dont pretend to know everything.

If you wont or cant answer my last question that's cool. Dont deflect it to a personal attack because i dont want the same DC as you.

I don't care about name dropping because Patterson Defense been getting shredded fpr a couple years now. That doesn't mean he doesn't know the game.

 

[bdm13]

So Al ran a "B1G" defense that works "Better" with and against lesser athletes, in a conference largely filled with power teams and inclement weather.

But everyone is lobbying for a B1G Defensive coordinator who looks good against those same teams with "lesser" athletes, who play mostly power offense in inclement weather?

And whenever this Defense is matched up against more innovative offense or above average athletes it isnt as **** or effective.

One could therefore deduce that said Defense and it's gaudy stats are a product of it's level of competition.

One could also note that even the "worst" (Al Groh/Golden) on field defenses, (schematically and statistically), have philosophical elements that, on paper, make great and perfect sense. But due to new offensive philosophies, rule changes and other circumstances are rendered either obsolete or ineffective. The same goes for "great" schemes, ask one Lovie Smith.

So the remaining questions in one's mind are this, "Why him (Aranda), why here, why now?" Which leads to the BIG follow up question. "His numbers,success,defensive savvy aren't new or secret, why hasn't ANYONE hired him away as a HC or DC?"

I just don't believe he is a fit for Miami POST Golden. I believe we need someone who has had success and understands running a system in line with what the HC has suggested he envisions and also calling games in that type of system.

Word. USC plays in the big 10. The QB play sucks in the B1G too. Booty dudes like Cody Kessler are nothing to write home about.

This Anti-Aranda movement is really getting annoying.

People hear "3-4" and are in immediate fear because of what golden ran. Which is ludicrous because if it is an attacking 3-4 it is two totally different defenses.

Right on. It's less about the base and more about the mentality and focus of how the defense is executed. Golden's was about preventing the big play. Aranda's is about confusing and creating chaos up front. He was using lots of man coverage last night against USC.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Spread offenses are designed to dictate numbers in the box and get linebackers off the field... So all the. Exotic looking LB blitzes kinda lose punch. As opposed being able to keep your front intact with 4 ...

Against the spread the key is to keep 6 in the umbrella to stop the ran. In most cases you're going to walk a linebacker up so you have a 40 front. So the only real difference is you've got one guy with his hand in the dirt while the other look he is standing up. With the latter you should have a smaller but quicker and more athletic guy.

Stop looking at how Groh, Golden, D'Onofrio ran their 3-4.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

I don't care about the 34 because ON PAPER i understand it's advantages. I've played in both. I think the B1G offenses are the reason for his success.

He didn't GET the usc job so.... Now what... Suck in lumberjack country

And Butch's success with the 4-3 came against the Big Least.

What's your point?

It was JJ's 4-3 and it worked against everybody.

Because JJ primarily faced Power or Offset I, Wishbone or Veer teams. In spread you're going with a 4-2 look in the umbrella if you're playing 4 down linemen.

 

[Gatorhater]

I don't care about the 34 because ON PAPER i understand it's advantages. I've played in both. I think the B1G offenses are the reason for his success.

He didn't GET the usc job so.... Now what... Suck in lumberjack country

And Butch's success with the 4-3 came against the Big Least.

What's your point?

It was JJ's 4-3 and it worked against everybody.

Not sure if serious, but Parcels' 3-4 looked good vs. everybody. Carrol's 3-4 looked/looks pretty **** good, too. Look guys, both defenses have been proven to work. We just had 2 dumbasses trying to run it here, not knowing that they had a built in advantage with local speed. If they coulda figured out what they had on their hands, they woulda played more of the 1 gap version. Instead of fattening up our kids and taking away our ONE advantage. Speed.

And Dolphins 53 defense, kid of the original 3-4, was best ever until Ray and Ravens -- they had a ton of smart players and not much speed. Speaking of the Big Tuna, he has LT I think any D would work with that crazy mother on it. Interestingly, our own Jim Burt was the NT for Giants back then. He played in our old 5-2 defense. I am fairly sure he actually gave ole Bobby his first heartbreak last minute loss to Miami. I seem to remember noles going for 2 point conversion and the pass hitting Jim's helmet. I think noles had a real good season going too.