Clear this up or confirm it for me.

[jerzeycane]

Im giving my OPINION and my logic.UNLIKE a lot of ppl Dont pretend to know everything.

If you wont or cant answer my last question that's cool. Dont deflect it to a personal attack because i dont want the same DC as you.

I don't care about name dropping because Patterson Defense been getting shredded fpr a couple years now. That doesn't mean he doesn't know the game.

The only difference between a 4-2 and a 3-3 front is AQM with his hand in the dirt vs. standing up.

It's not a change in personnel, but a change in alignment. You aren't taking a big body off the field. The philosophy has zero to do with either to be quite honest.

A creative defense is EXACTLY what everybody wanted after Shannon got fired and we were hoodwinked into thinking that's what the most recent regime would provide. Well now we actually have an opportunity to pair incredible scheme with incredible athletes.

I'm excited about that and I think you should be too.

 

[01Canes]

Aranda's a top young DC and his track record thus far is outstanding. His defense is different from what we've seen at Miami these past several years because it's an attacking 3-4 where he frequently leaves his CBs on an island in man coverage. The results he's achieved thus far at Utah State and Wisconsin speak for themselves.

The biggest potential concern is that his defense is largely predicated on defensive linemen occupying blockers to enable the LBs to fly around and make plays. You don't implement that style of defense at a program where you just hired Craig Kuligowski to be your DL coach. That's the definition of square peg, round hole.

I'd assume Aranda would be smart enough to adapt to his personnel, DL coach, and athletes to which he has access at Miami if he's Richt's hand-picked DC.

 

[Canezum5]

Spread offenses are designed to dictate numbers in the box and get linebackers off the field... So all the. Exotic looking LB blitzes kinda lose punch. As opposed being able to keep your front intact with 4 ...

Gary Patterson plays an odd front

Proof?

Cuz this, to my knowledge, is false AF.

 

[jerzeycane]

Spread offenses are designed to dictate numbers in the box and get linebackers off the field... So all the. Exotic looking LB blitzes kinda lose punch. As opposed being able to keep your front intact with 4 ...

Gary Patterson plays an odd front

Proof?

Cuz this, to my knowledge, is false AF.

He goes in and out of both but it DOESN'T FREAKING MATTER.

That right there is a 30 front and the only difference is the weak side LB is standing instead of in a stance

 

[kalinis]

by the way pete carrol runs a 4-3 cover 3 cover 1 d. just saying. i understand a 1 gap 3-4 can be effective, i watch the broncos. but when hc says wants to run a 4-3 base but will let coordinator decide i don't see it being aranada.

i think the dc will come from an sec school much like the majority of the staff will.

 

[blackvern]

Next ****got that compares a 3-4 NFL defense to what a college can do im gonna punch you in the face through this screen

 

[fincane]

Aranda's a top young DC and his track record thus far is outstanding. His defense is different from what we've seen at Miami these past several years because it's an attacking 3-4 where he frequently leaves his CBs on an island in man coverage. The results he's achieved thus far at Utah State and Wisconsin speak for themselves.

The biggest potential concern is that his defense is largely predicated on defensive linemen occupying blockers to enable the LBs to fly around and make plays. You don't implement that style of defense at a program where you just hired Craig Kuligowski to be your DL coach. That's the definition of square peg, round hole.

I'd assume Aranda would be smart enough to adapt to his personnel, DL coach, and athletes to which he has access at Miami if he's Richt's hand-picked DC.

I'm done assuming anything. Our previous coaches were dolts but not every coach is as flexible as Gary Patterson. He got his head bashed in for a couple years and then changed his offensive approach.

Aranda would have no reason early on to change. He's coming off all these top 8 defenses. He's got credibility. If "The U" documentaries are any example of how players think about coaching changes I don't know if that credibility would extend to the players. God forbid Chad Thomas and others hear they have to occupy blockers again.

 

[DLINKDAGR8]

So Al ran a "B1G" defense that works "Better" with and against lesser athletes, in a conference largely filled with power teams and inclement weather.

But everyone is lobbying for a B1G Defensive coordinator who looks good against those same teams with "lesser" athletes, who play mostly power offense in inclement weather?

And whenever this Defense is matched up against more innovative offense or above average athletes it isnt as **** or effective.

One could therefore deduce that said Defense and it's gaudy stats are a product of it's level of competition.

One could also note that even the "worst" (Al Groh/Golden) on field defenses, (schematically and statistically), have philosophical elements that, on paper, make great and perfect sense. But due to new offensive philosophies, rule changes and other circumstances are rendered either obsolete or ineffective. The same goes for "great" schemes, ask one Lovie Smith.

So the remaining questions in one's mind are this, "Why him (Aranda), why here, why now?" Which leads to the BIG follow up question. "His numbers,success,defensive savvy aren't new or secret, why hasn't ANYONE hired him away as a HC or DC?"

I just don't believe he is a fit for Miami POST Golden. I believe we need someone who has had success and understands running a system in line with what the HC has suggested he envisions and also calling games in that type of system.

I'm not reading all the comments.... but would you have those same feelings towards **** LeBeau? The godfather of the savage 3-4?

Golden/Groh suck that's given look at they're track record. Aranda doesnt. Every Institute he's coached the defense got better immediately!

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

Im partial to 34 period at this level because of physical maturity, complexity and lack of free agency

 

[kalinis]

4-3 works better with florida athletes. it just does. u can get lbs that are 210-220 let them run to ball. u can get de's at 250. dts at 290. in a 3-4 base u need lbs inside at 250 u need dts taht go 310 or bigger. de's at 280. thats not just a 2 gap but 1 gap also.

4-3 allows for smaller faster players to excel. 1 gap vs 2 gap is a diffrent argument then 3-4vs 4-3 u can run 2 gap in 4-3 and 3-4 or 1 gap also but to me a 4-3 penatrating d is best for south florida athletes its what they play in hs. and its easy to learn.\

nothing against aranada or any dc richt hires. i trust richt to get the guy he wants. that said wisconsin athletes vs florida athletes is nite and day. some guys are better fits for certain area's

narduzzi did well at pitt cause his mich st d fits the players from ohio, pennsylvania area. miami should get a guy from sec used to southern athletes.

 

[The Franchise]

Stop being stupid and scared Just because Folden ran a 3-4 and was a total piece of **** coach doesn't mean that everyone associated with a 3-4 is garbage in perpetuity. Some of the greatest coaches in the history of football have employed 3-4 defenses. Ever heard of Belichick or Labeau?

Folden didn't invent some magical secret recipe where the 3-4 only works with inferior athletes. His defense didn't work against anyone and neither did anything else he did. His entire philosophy was passive and reactionary. Not everyone who coaches a 3-4 shares that philosophy. Why is that so hard to get?

Everyone please get this through your thick skulls: 3-4 DEFENSE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN PASSIVE DEFENSE. Remember that guy named Lawrence Taylor? Was he passive? How about JJ Watt? Demarcus Wade?

 

[Stingarov]

Stop being stupid and scared Just because Folden ran a 3-4 and was a total piece of **** coach doesn't mean that everyone associated with a 3-4 is garbage in perpetuity. Some of the greatest coaches in the history of football have employed 3-4 defenses. Ever heard of Belichick or Labeau?

Folden didn't invent some magical secret recipe where the 3-4 only works with inferior athletes. His defense didn't work against anyone and neither did anything else he did. His entire philosophy was passive and reactionary. Not everyone who coaches a 3-4 shares that philosophy. Why is that so hard to get?

Everyone please get this through your thick skulls: 3-4 DEFENSE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN PASSIVE DEFENSE. Remember that guy named Lawrence Taylor? Was he passive? How about JJ Watt? Demarcus Wade?

End thread and consolidate this crap into the other 34 Aranda threads.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Spread offenses are designed to dictate numbers in the box and get linebackers off the field... So all the. Exotic looking LB blitzes kinda lose punch. As opposed being able to keep your front intact with 4 ...

Gary Patterson plays an odd front

Proof?

Cuz this, to my knowledge, is false AF.

He goes in and out of both but it DOESN'T FREAKING MATTER.

That right there is a 30 front and the only difference is the weak side LB is standing instead of in a stance

I was hoping we would be done with the frog stance. I can't see Coach Kool teaching this.

 

[fincane]

Alot of people are using NFL examples for some reason and I'm not sure why. I'm not questioning aggressiveness or passiveness. If you start to look at it on a college level, what are the recruiting bases for the teams that run it well? Nick Saban gets brought up alot. He hasn't had a south Florida front 7 commit since he got to Alabama. When you look at Stanford do we recruit from the same pool that they do? We know Wisconsin isn't getting the same type of player. Why ask your recruiting base to play in a defense that doesn't fit what they've done?

 

[Miami82]

Remember these two programs killers: Donna Shalala and Shawn Eichorst. No more Wisconsin hires

What an absolutely ridiculous thread. I can't think of many people who would be a better hire than Dave Aranda. He would literally be a grand slam hire...I don't care where he is currently coaching. He had no problem shutting down USC last night who has SUPERIOR athletes to what Wisconsin has in their program.

If you don't want Aranda who would you be happy with?

Brian VanGorder

He has also worked with Richt previously. That would be a hard pull from Dame though.

 

[FullyERicht]

Remember these two programs killers: Donna Shalala and Shawn Eichorst. No more Wisconsin hires

What an absolutely ridiculous thread. I can't think of many people who would be a better hire than Dave Aranda. He would literally be a grand slam hire...I don't care where he is currently coaching. He had no problem shutting down USC last night who has SUPERIOR athletes to what Wisconsin has in their program.

If you don't want Aranda who would you be happy with?

Brian VanGorder

HAHAHAHAH Brian Van Gorder runs a scheme that is LESS about speed, and his results throughout his career have been less "meh". WTF is wrong with these mouthbreathers?

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

AL ran a read and react defense. Aranda is all about confusing the o line and bringing pressure while creating one on one matchups. Quite a big difference.


What a hilarious thread. You're blaming the guy for coaching in the big ten.. When it's better than the Acc and head and shoulders above the coastal.

Goldens defense wasn't a failure becuase it's "meant for slower players", it was a failure because we got absolutely no pressure to the quarterback. If we did his tenure would have been very different here. Nothing about Aranda screams out slow big ten, if anything they would have to be fast in order for the d lineman and backers to rush the way they do.

Also Wisconsin didn't look slow against usc last night. Aranda is elite his defense speaks for itself. I just don't think he comes here because I haven't heard anything legitimate about it even being an option. He also interviewed for the green Bay Packers job earlier this year so he may be trying to go NFL

The B1G West is not good at all. It's better than the Coastal, but it's still one of the weaker divisions in CFB.

 

[FullyERicht]

4-3 works better with florida athletes. it just does. u can get lbs that are 210-220 let them run to ball. u can get de's at 250. dts at 290. in a 3-4 base u need lbs inside at 250 u need dts taht go 310 or bigger. de's at 280. thats not just a 2 gap but 1 gap also.

4-3 allows for smaller faster players to excel. 1 gap vs 2 gap is a diffrent argument then 3-4vs 4-3 u can run 2 gap in 4-3 and 3-4 or 1 gap also but to me a 4-3 penatrating d is best for south florida athletes its what they play in hs. and its easy to learn.\

nothing against aranada or any dc richt hires. i trust richt to get the guy he wants. that said wisconsin athletes vs florida athletes is nite and day. some guys are better fits for certain area's

narduzzi did well at pitt cause his mich st d fits the players from ohio, pennsylvania area. miami should get a guy from sec used to southern athletes.

Do you even read the site?????

You must have an IQ of 20.......how many times does it need to be explained that Aranda's defense uses smaller players than a typical 3-4???? His ILBs are 230 and 220. He has NO DL bigger than 300 lbs. One is 300, another is 280, and the third is 260.

And finally, NARDUZZIS DEFENSE IS THE MIAMI DEFENSE. for fvcks sake we need an IQ test on signup.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

Next ****got that compares a 3-4 NFL defense to what a college can do im gonna punch you in the face through this screen

This

Alot of people are using NFL examples for some reason and I'm not sure why. I'm not questioning aggressiveness or passiveness. If you start to look at it on a college level, what are the recruiting bases for the teams that run it well? Nick Saban gets brought up alot. He hasn't had a south Florida front 7 commit since he got to Alabama. When you look at Stanford do we recruit from the same pool that they do? We know Wisconsin isn't getting the same type of player. Why ask your recruiting base to play in a defense that doesn't fit what they've done?

and this.

SFL athletes just don't fit the prototypes for 3-4. How many SFL HS play 3-4? It's nothing against the scheme. I actually like the 3-4 better in the NFL, but they also have the luxury of selecting from a more matured, larger, more athletic, non-regionalized talent pool.

 

[datcaneguy]

Im quite sure Arnada can adjust his scheme to fit his players skills set whether its 4-3 or 3-4