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Clay Helton update

Honestly this is refreshing and great news for us. This will put more pressure on Manny, Blake, and the BOT to pull the trigger if we have a bad season.
 
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jmccomber5 said:
i was meaning more in relation to the season and it being week 2

but are we going to just pretend like Manny hasn’t been here since 2016? Y’all act like he inherited some monster rebuild. He was on staff the entire time and left for like 3 days. We were one year removed from playing in a NY6. I think we’ve had enough of the Manny experience
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If 7-6 with a bowl game *** whipping, a broken culture of guys leaving early for the NFL that had no business doing so, the worst UM offense in decades and a coach that had early onset Parkinson's I'm not sure you understand what the definition of "rebuild" is. Sure as **** wasn't a reload.
 
305to954 said:
All this depends on what expectations you had for this team..me it was 10 wins. Way to soon to actually judge what this team will be come November..if we win 10 plus games does margin of victory matter that much? Are we in that position talent wise to be worried about margin of victories..for me its a no. Again all this depends on your expectations. And as Miami fans, are expectations are delusional to both degrees. At the end of the day it’s about W/L
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10 wins is my expectation every year, but I am going to have to say how we play matters. It just does not look like we improve in any area. I don’t think I’m okay with every game being a toss up and getting blown out against good opponents. If the strategy is to stack a few good seasons on top of each other so we can go to the next level in recruiting and start competing, then I don’t think he can achieve it. Thanks for having a reasonable response btw!
 
ssvir said:
If 7-6 with a bowl game *** whipping, a broken culture of guys leaving early for the NFL that had no business doing so, the worst UM offense in decades and a coach that had early onset Parkinson's I'm not sure you understand what the definition of "rebuild" is. Sure as **** wasn't a reload.
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He was on staff the entire time. Part of the “upside” of hiring him was that he understood the culture of the team because he helped build the team. If it was that broken, he wasn’t the guy for the job. Even so, there aren’t many excusing for losing to the teams he lost to. He’s not a good coach and I know you know that
 
jmccomber5 said:
He was on staff the entire time. Part of the “upside” of hiring him was that he understood the culture of the team because he helped build the team. If it was that broken, he wasn’t the guy for the job. Even so, there aren’t many excusing for losing to the teams he lost to. He’s not a good coach and I know you know that
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He was hired b/c our defense was the only thing that wasn't utter **** that last year and the prevailing thought was lose him to Temple and we lose the whole ******* recruiting class and half the team transfers. Was it the right move? Only time will tell.

I have no idea 2 years and 2 games into his HC career if he is good or not and you don't either. Every team in the last 10 years that plays Bama in game 1 gets their *** kicked and then falls off a cliff into oblivion .... maybe we will and maybe we won't be at least we won against a decent App St team the next game.

There are have been positives (recruiting improvement, staff upgrades, guys staying instead of leaving for the NFL) and there are negatives (cupboard bare at DE and LB) but anyone professing they know Manny is good or bad is full of ****. Odds are he is a mediocre HC b/c that is the statistics of 90%+ of the coaches out there. Its like the NFL recycling garbage.
 
10cane said:
Yeah I got a little insight on SC when nephew was getting recruited. Bohn was the AD at cincy when they hired Fickell. That 100% is his guy. They’re close. He made Helton juice up the support staff like crazy that’s why they made waves this past off season in that department. I really think it was also to make the job appealing to the next guy.

Coach Arce is a cool dude. Coach Vic Sooto is a goof. He really thought they had a chance at JTT and tried pulling a oh one spot left if JTT commits that’s the spot, so you can commit now if you want so he ghosted their OV and was already at Stanford. He’s a **** recruiter, lot of other kids were bashing them said they were phony guys in recruiting.

SC should/will go big with the staff. My question is if it’s Fickell, does he get Marcus Freeman to jump ship?
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Sorry if already mentioned but who is JTT?
 
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CFLCane said:
CFB is stuck in a cycle of constantly firing coaches too soon and rewarding coaches too soon. I believe the vast majority of colleges need 4-5 years before they can really imprint on a program. Sure there are outlier when coaches suck really bad and deserve to get fired after 2-3 seasons just as well as there are outliers where coaches make show vast improvements quickly. I agree Manny is teetering on the edge and deserves a fair share of criticism.....but i'm not blind to the fact that a quick answer to our problems is extremely unlikely. There are still quite a few positives from the MD era that he can build on. All is not lost YET.

People are clamoring for Christobal and he's 3-3 in his last 6 games with a loss to just fired Clay Helton.
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Name the positives since Diaz been a HC that you have seen on the field.
 
ssvir said:
He was hired b/c our defense was the only thing that wasn't utter **** that last year and the prevailing thought was lose him to Temple and we lose the whole ******* recruiting class and half the team transfers. Was it the right move? Only time will tell.

I have no idea 2 years and 2 games into his HC career if he is good or not and you don't either. Every team in the last 10 years that plays Bama in game 1 gets their *** kicked and then falls off a cliff into oblivion .... maybe we will and maybe we won't be at least we won against a decent App St team the next game.

There are have been positives (recruiting improvement, staff upgrades, guys staying instead of leaving for the NFL) and there are negatives (cupboard bare at DE and LB) but anyone professing they know Manny is good or bad is full of ****. Odds are he is a mediocre HC b/c that is the statistics of 90%+ of the coaches out there. Its like the NFL recycling garbage.
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No 2 years is enough. The defense is horrible. 1st indictment. 2nd indictment, cant make games competitive against good teams, struggling with bad and average teams. He sucks ***. Shannong got 4 years, Golden got 4 years plus. Alot of us knew they were terrible from stuff they did in year 1 and year 2, and many of you did the same thing then. I don't care what u claim Diaz is doing off the field, its subjective, none of it has shown up on the field in 3 years. Not the conditioning, not the discipline, not the toughness, none of it. You're applying wishful thinking. Manny Diaz is Golden level bad, probably worse. I would argue he is
 
supacane said:
No 2 years is enough. The defense is horrible. 1st indictment. 2nd indictment, cant make games competitive against good teams, struggling with bad and average teams. He sucks ***. Shannong got 4 years, Golden got 4 years plus. Alot of us knew they were terrible from stuff they did in year 1 and year 2, and many of you did the same thing then. I don't care what u claim Diaz is doing off the field, its subjective, none of it has shown up on the field in 3 years. Not the conditioning, not the discipline, not the toughness, none of it. You're applying wishful thinking. Manny Diaz is Golden level bad, probably worse. I would argue he is
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Manny probably isn't going to be good but anyone claiming to know after 2 years and 2 games is Nostradamus. You win. Can't argue with Mensa scholars like you. You're probably a Golden Cane too that will stroke that check to buy Manny and the staff out for $10M++ and you know exactly who to hire that is going to make Miami great again. PS: with your "criteria" you would have fired 75% of the coaches in the college football Hall of Fame.
 
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nuprin said:
Sorry if already mentioned but who is JTT?
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Obviously, this guy:

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ssvir said:
He was hired b/c our defense was the only thing that wasn't utter **** that last year and the prevailing thought was lose him to Temple and we lose the whole ******* recruiting class and half the team transfers. Was it the right move? Only time will tell.

I have no idea 2 years and 2 games into his HC career if he is good or not and you don't either. Every team in the last 10 years that plays Bama in game 1 gets their *** kicked and then falls off a cliff into oblivion .... maybe we will and maybe we won't be at least we won against a decent App St team the next game.

There are have been positives (recruiting improvement, staff upgrades, guys staying instead of leaving for the NFL) and there are negatives (cupboard bare at DE and LB) but anyone professing they know Manny is good or bad is full of ****. Odds are he is a mediocre HC b/c that is the statistics of 90%+ of the coaches out there. Its like the NFL recycling garbage.
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I disagree on not knowing. His teams do not show any signs of being well coached, we haven’t improved in any area and I don’t think he’s going to be able to recruit higher than he is now. But at this point it’s like yelling at the clouds. Nothing is going to happen for another 2 seasons most likely
 
ssvir said:
Manny probably isn't going to be good but anyone claiming to know after 2 years and 2 games is Nostradamus. You win. Can't argue with Mensa scholars like you. You're probably a Golden Cane too that will stroke that check to buy Manny and the staff out for $10M++ and you know exactly who to hire that is going to make Miami great again. PS: with your "criteria" you would have fired 75% of the coaches in the college football Hall of Fame.
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No i wouldn't hire no hall of fame coach. I would hired Highsmith or someone similar to make the hire and oversee everything. Like they should have when they allowed pinga to dupe us and get Ed Reed as a token hire. You don't know, we seen it with our own eyes. Losing to La Tech, FIU, 800 yards to UNC, 600 yards of rushing giving up at home. Constantly complaining that the opponent did things he didn't see, as if that's not the point. One he returned the most experienced team we ever had and they were worse than Shannon 08 team that played all those FR, there is no up from there. You refusing to accept it and assign your beliefs to other people is on you. I saw Al Golden. I know bum coaches when i see them.
 
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