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CJ Bailey needs to come home

skeeter said:
I mean PFF isn't the be all end all…Not the bible by any means

But the last two seasons
Leavitt 23 Big time Throws/8 Turnover worthy plays
Bailey 25 BTT/32 Turnover worth plays

Is a pretty big gap

The schedules were similar this year, but ASU's was definitely tougher last year. And those numbers are with Leavitt trying to play thru injury this year.

I've seen both play 3-4 games. I'll take Leavitt all day.
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There is only 1 stat where Leavitt leads and that is INT's. In every single other passing metric it's not a contest here. Leavitt is just not an accurate passing QB. Go read the NFL scouting reports. They all complain about accuracy and inconsistent passing. They guy is extremely overrated and cashing in on getting to the playoffs riding a great running game. His 25 season was garbage. His camp is flooding the zone with excuses knowing he has no NFL future
 
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DC3 said:
Nowhere did I or anyone in this thread but you bring up Cam Ward.

He put up average numbers for a P5 QB this year and was streaky, which is normal for a true sophomore. If he wasn't from SFL he wouldn't be as hyped up by this board.

I do agree with you that this QB transfer class will be weaker than previous years, but I do know there will be better options than him that hit the portal. How much $$$$$ they will want will differ as well
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If he wasn't from south Florida he wouldn't be as overlooked by this board. Kid is a 70% passer with size, mobility, and an arm. Still more potential to tap into

Our biggest disagreement here is there's going to be someone significantly better available. CJ isn't some generation taken or anything. This class is just weak. There's no dudes like Mensah out there this year where they've seemed to be everywhere in the past.
 
ddann said:
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I’m not that old. lol.

I was referring to him coaching Kelly, Kosar, Richt, and Teataverde at UM in the early 80’s.
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I don’t even remember that. That’s telling. He was a backup for yeas who was essentially an extra coach. I was a 6 year old that year. He played most of the games as Griese was out hurt. It was a question discussed back then as to whether he should continue in the playoffs as Griese came back - can’t remember when exactly.
 
ShadowSpring said:
There is only 1 stat where Leavitt leads and that is INT's. In every single other passing metric it's not a contest here.
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I just gave you two lol

And no you are wrong you idiot…He doesn't lead in interceptions…It's not close. Stop talking

I get it you like Bailey, it's cool. Difference of opinion. But A. I don't think you know what a Metric is. B. You gave the int stat and you were wrong, go look at their INT
 
skeeter said:
I just gave you two lol

And no you are wrong you idiot…He doesn't lead in interceptions…It's not close. Stop talking

I get it you like Bailey, it's cool. Difference of opinion. But A. I don't think you know what a Metric is. B. You gave the int stat and you were wrong, go look at their INT
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I think you need to read these posts again because they flew right over your head. Leavitt sucks. This is the problem with team sports. A QB get carried to the playoffs because of an NFL RB and people conflating that success with the QB.
 
ShadowSpring said:
Lol it's not even remotely close lol. Leavitt is inaccurate and inconsistent. He's never been as productive as CJ. Not to mention he had a beastly running game to coast by on. It was easy and his passing stats still sucked. Leavitt can definitely run the **** out of the ball tho.
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How do you explain Bailey showing no signs of life until we put the backups in?
 
rascon said:
I’m definitely open to rolling with Nickel, but if we go down that path, I’d want a dedicated QB coach.
And maybe an bring in a WR1a to surround the kid with more weapons.
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That's simply not a call any fan can make as we've seen him throw like 1 pass as a Hurricane.

Maybe the coaches have watched him light up the D all season on Greentree and are chomping at the bit to start him next year? It's a brave call though if you have Portal options for the position.
 
OldhamA said:
How do you explain Bailey showing no signs of life until we put the backups in?
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Our D is kinda good. 4th best if I'm not mistaken. He definitely wasn't at his best. However 1 game isn't everything. He has 22 starts, including 21 others.

Here's the kicker.....the class is weak. CJ is probably the best available or hovering in there. There's just not anyone out there without questions or concerns. CJ is just the most accurate and probably highest ceiling too.
 
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- Oklahoma
- Indiana
- Ohio State
- Miami
- Ole Miss
- Tulane
- Oregon

College football playoff teams that are starting a transfer QB. That avenue is here to stay. If you hit on a QB out of High School, great. You will have to bite the bullet at least 1 year, like Notre Dame did with Carr, with a high school QB.
 
PIPO said:
- Oklahoma
- Indiana
- Ohio State
- Miami
- Ole Miss
- Tulane
- Oregon

College football playoff teams that are starting a transfer QB. That avenue is here to stay. If you hit on a QB out of High School, great. You will have to bite the bullet at least 1 year, like Notre Dame did with Carr, with a high school QB.
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This is the new reality. People saying we should start Luke Nickel are just delusional
 
FreddyCane said:
I wasn’t sold out of high school and last year he looked like a freshman at times but if we go the portal route he’s got to be right at the top. He’s definitely looking good. On a side note I can’t tell if the UVA and NC State’s offenses are this good or are the defenses really bad, looks like a tennis match.
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He still looked like a freshman against us a month ago. 🤔
 
Brooklyndee said:
Definitely will be and he might. Just wouldn't be the smartest of moves for him long term. Best case he spends another year developing. More than likely gets second round at best if not stay as a third or fourth due to his injury history and age. Would also mean one year further he pushes out the opportunity to get into life changing money in contract 2... NFL is all about what comes after your first contract.
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If you leave early and get drafted in the 4th+ round its statistically less than 50% you reach a second contract.

Moten probably gets $750k+ at UM next year.
 
clg003 said:
I don’t get how people just ignore how he folds against good teams. Mendoza did the opposite. Playing great against avg opponents doesn’t win you championships. You need guys who excel when under fire. This guy has never shown he is that…
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Mendoza did that his sophomore year at Cal? Cause if you’re going to make comparisons, you gotta look at where they’re at their second seasons in college
 
OldhamA said:
That's simply not a call any fan can make as we've seen him throw like 1 pass as a Hurricane.

Maybe the coaches have watched him light up the D all season on Greentree and are chomping at the bit to start him next year? It's a brave call though if you have Portal options for the position.
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i agree that my preference would be portal qb. My response was to brooklyndee who is around the team and is in favor of rolling with Nickel. I was just saying I could be convinced but I’d like to see a dedicated coach and another weapon to surround him if we go down that path.
 
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ShadowSpring said:
Smothers is a good player. By all means please do prove me wrong.......I've put some effort behind my opinion here. I've been watching CJ all year and the others also and looking over the stats. Cj has an edge over the others.passing the football and he's been providing you wrong all year too. I know I'm onto something when the stat genius himself Lance Roffers is in agreement with me. So good luck
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He's been proving me wrong? I don't know how he could have proved me wrong. My only take on him is he's not good and I wouldn't care what Lance rolfers whoever that is or anyone else has to say about him. That's my own opinion and my own take. Since he's been proving me wrong all season how did he look against us? A game that he was so looking forward to because it was personal to him as he stated? If I remember correctly it was pretty s*****. Myself I wouldn't want any of those quarterbacks y'all are speaking about. Nothing makes me say this quarterback is someone I have to have to lead my offense with.
 
rascon said:
I’m definitely open to rolling with Nickel, but if we go down that path, I’d want a dedicated QB coach.
And maybe an bring in a WR1a to surround the kid with more weapons.
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I'm in agreements 100% with everything you said except seeing the need for a number one receiver. Assuming you mean number one like a big name. Because the necessity and how that offense would be ran would be ball management. Limit his risks. So I don't really believe a true number one is necessary in that capacity. If anything I would say a more dominant tight end. Even though I believe more than likely we already have that in house. But now that heart line is gone from OSU I definitely will be paying attention to their offseason. If things go how I assume they will then maybe we should be in the market for a true number one... #justsayin
 
ssvir said:
If you leave early and get drafted in the 4th+ round its statistically less than 50% you reach a second contract.

Moten probably gets $750k+ at UM next year.
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Yeah I'm aware statistically what the likelihood is with later round or mid-round guys. Definitely a far harder path. However there is always context. I've been on motens bandwagon for 2 years now and I firmly believe that if he hasn't had the injury issues he's had he would be a first or a second rounder. However his reality isn't that. I don't think he'd have any problem with making a roster or staying on one.
 
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