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[Jaromir Jagr]

Teams that are automatically out of the picture if we go 12-0

Alabama-Georgia loser
Notre Dame
Clemson
Everyone who doesn't win the B10
Everyone who doesn't win the B12

The only teams who could even possibly remain ahead of us if we go 12-0:

SEC champ
B10 champ
B12 champ

There is literally no one left to worry about.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

If Miami beats VaTech, at home, with a last second FG...and Wisconsin goes on the road and destroys Indiana...

Then the CFP Committee will keep Wisconsin ahead of us. Our win will just continue to prove the biased narrative, that Miami can't dominate anyone, that we are winning with luck. And Wisconsin has already been evaluated with 8 weak victories, so what is one more?

You're making an awful bold assumption that the committee would value a blowout win against a bad team over a close win against a ranked team. Especially since they've already put Georgia ahead of Alabama based solely on the fact that they value a nail biter victory over Notre Dame over any of Alabama's blowout wins against inferior teams.

Clearly, you don't understand. I didn't make any "bold assumptions".

Wisconsin is already ahead of us. The knock on Miami is that we have too many close victories/escapes.

So if Wisconsin does everything Wisconsin can do (i.e., win by a large margin on the road), and Miami does "what the CFP Committee thinks we do" (i.e., win by a small, lucky margin at home), then (a) Wisconsin has not given the committee a reason to drop them, and (b) Miami has not given the committee a reason to vault them.

See how that works? It's not a "one-week analysis" of Wisconsin's big margin of victory vs. another one of Miami's lucky escapes. It is more about how the bias as to the "body of work" is confirmed for each team by each of those outcomes.

This isn't difficult. Some heel-draggers are making it so.

Then we finish #4 behind #3 Wisconsin. Still nothing to worry about.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

If Miami beats VaTech, at home, with a last second FG...and Wisconsin goes on the road and destroys Indiana...

Then the CFP Committee will keep Wisconsin ahead of us. Our win will just continue to prove the biased narrative, that Miami can't dominate anyone, that we are winning with luck. And Wisconsin has already been evaluated with 8 weak victories, so what is one more?

You're making an awful bold assumption that the committee would value a blowout win against a bad team over a close win against a ranked team. Especially since they've already put Georgia ahead of Alabama based solely on the fact that they value a nail biter victory over Notre Dame over any of Alabama's blowout wins against inferior teams.

They've already demonstrated that they value a close loss to a team over a win against that very same team. I don't think anything is much of a stretch after seeing that. It's clear that some teams have more leeway with the committee than others when is comes to wins, losses, and style points. It is also clear that, as it relates to the previous statement, Miami falls in the "others" category.

I assume you're talking about Clemson? I think the committee is giving them more credit for beating Auburn than they are holding the Syracuse loss against them. Not sure I agree that a team that lost to Syracuse should be ranked in the top 4 but ask yourself this: Where do you think they would have Miami had they beaten Auburn instead of Bethune Cookman in week 1?

But, once again, you are making an unnecessary comparison (Clemson beating Auburn vs. Miami beating Auburn).

WE ALREADY HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

Clemson lost to Syracuse. One week later, Miami beat Syracuse. It is the ULTIMATE non-head-to-head comparison, i.e., common opponents.

Clemson is still ranked ahead of Miami.

So the CFP Committee is allowing Clemson's EIGHT POINT victory (sound familiar?) over Auburn to erase their loss to Syracuse, while completely ignoring that Miami beat the very same Syracuse team a week later.

Makes no sense at all.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Here's how it happens by default with no outside help required:

November 4th - Miami beats #13 Virginia Tech

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4. Clemson
5. Oklahoma
6. Ohio State
7. Penn State
8. TCU
9. Miami - passes Wisconsin who plays unranked Indiana

November 11th - Miami beats #3 Notre Dame, plus either Oklahoma or TCU has to lose
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma/ TCU winner
5. Ohio State
6. Miami - passes Notre Dame, Okl/TCU loser, and Penn State who plays unranked Rutgers and has one loss

Fast forward to Championship Saturday

Miami beats #3 Clemson, and either Alabama or Georgia has to lose.

1. Alabama/ Georgia winner
2. Ohio State IF THEY WIN THE B10
3. Big 12 winner IF IT'S A 1-LOSS TEAM
4. Miami passes Clemson and Alabama/ Georgia loser

So if we run the table, we're #4 AT MINIMUM. And to stay that low this would have to be the one year in history that there are no upsets in November.

But you guys keep trying to come up with scenarios in which 12-0 ACC Champ Miami is #6 .

Suppose Wake Forest, who just beat Louisville 42-32 and also played Clemson 28-14 in Death Valley were to pull the upset this weekend. How good is that Notre Dame game looking now? We need to beat Notre Dame and Virginia Tech, AND have them win out, AND have two of the 6 one loss teams ahead of us drop another game.

LMAO. Quit worrying about pretend scenarios that aren't going to happen. I gave you the blueprint and you still don't get it.

Did you bet Syracuse upsetting Clemson, or Iowa State beating Oklahoma in Norman? Don't pretend that you have any ******* clue what IS going to happen.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

They've already demonstrated that they value a close loss to a team over a win against that very same team. I don't think anything is much of a stretch after seeing that. It's clear that some teams have more leeway with the committee than others when is comes to wins, losses, and style points. It is also clear that, as it relates to the previous statement, Miami falls in the "others" category.

I assume you're talking about Clemson? I think the committee is giving them more credit for beating Auburn than they are holding the Syracuse loss against them. Not sure I agree that a team that lost to Syracuse should be ranked in the top 4 but ask yourself this: Where do you think they would have Miami had they beaten Auburn instead of Bethune Cookman in week 1?

Doesn't matter. Give Clemson our schedule and they still have a loss. It's not entirely that they lost and are ahead of us. It was a bad loss. They were never in that game. In all of our games, I never felt like we were going to lose. Watching Clemson and Syracuse, you never thought Clemson had a chance to win. They were beat up that game by a team that still has to win two of BC, Louisville, FSU, and Wake Forest before they become bowl eligible.

It's not just looking at the final scores and saying, "Well Clemson played Syracuse close and came away with a tough loss, but Miami also played Syracuse close and barely scraped by."

You have to watch the games and measure the performance. Only then would you know that Clemson was never in that game and only miraculously managed to keep it respectable, while Miami was 4 drops away from hanging 50 on Syracuse. We beat the dog**** out of Syracuse but had misfires on at least 4 scoring opportunities.

There's no need to worry about Clemson being in front of us. We will either play them or they will have lost to NC State. Clemson is a non-factor in this discussion. It is literally impossible for us to go 12-0 and remain behind Clemson.

You cannot possibly consider Clemson a non-factor. Of course only one of us can win the ACC, but it is the simple fact that Clemson is ahead of us at this point, that the committee is willing to rank us below them after they lost to Syracuse, that IS the factor here. That's how bad the committee thinks we are. They think a team with a loss to 4-4 Syracuse is better than us by 7 spots. Their opinion of us is not going to dramatically change by any means other than big impressive wins over impressive opponents who remain impressive after the regular season ends, AND a few of the teams that the committee has already deemed our betters does something to prove otherwise.

This is where you go off the rails. If Miami goes 12-0, Clemson has to have AT LEAST two losses. Let that sink in. If we are 12-0 with a conference championship, how on earth could you possibly see 11-2 Clemson finishing ahead of us?

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

But, once again, you are making an unnecessary comparison (Clemson beating Auburn vs. Miami beating Auburn).

WE ALREADY HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

Clemson lost to Syracuse. One week later, Miami beat Syracuse. It is the ULTIMATE non-head-to-head comparison, i.e., common opponents.

Clemson is still ranked ahead of Miami.

So the CFP Committee is allowing Clemson's EIGHT POINT victory (sound familiar?) over Auburn to erase their loss to Syracuse, while completely ignoring that Miami beat the very same Syracuse team a week later.

Makes no sense at all.

So what? Either we beat Clemson or NC State beats Clemson. Clemson is another team that cannot finish ahead of us if we go 12-0. Quit bringing up Clemson.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Historical evidence? I can prove you wrong with one sentence.

An undefeated Alabama or Georgia, plus an undefeated Wisconsin, would put undefeated Miami at #3 .

See how easy that was?

And I haven't even gotten started on the SIX 1-loss teams ahead of us currently, or the THREE 1-loss teams immediately behind us, several of which could push us anywhere from 5th to 7th.

You base your entire argument on 3 wins by Miami which, while impressive with today's rankings, could look very different in a month (and one of which would not even happen if we face NC State in Charlotte).

Again, that is the VERY DEFINITION of "not everything being in Miami's control".

Miami will pass Wisconsin by next Tuesday with a win this week. Tell me that wasn't your strong finish.

If Miami runs the table, we are a lock along with the SEC champion.

Why? Because you say so?

If Miami beats VaTech, at home, with a last second FG...and Wisconsin goes on the road and destroys Indiana...

Then the CFP Committee will keep Wisconsin ahead of us. Our win will just continue to prove the biased narrative, that Miami can't dominate anyone, that we are winning with luck. And Wisconsin has already been evaluated with 8 weak victories, so what is one more?

So what? Wisconsin either has to lose a game or win the whole f'ing conference. Either way, only one team from the B10 can stay in front of us. Good god. Quit acting like everyone is going to win all of their games. It is impossible.

Uh...no...

Wisconsin wins out. Undefeated. Stays ahead of Miami.

But...they can't play BOTH Ohio State and Ped State in the conference championship. Whoever does NOT go to the Big 10 championship is currently ahead of us AND can stay ahead of us.

Thus...as I pointed out before...it will be VERY EASY for two Big 10 teams to remain in front of Miami. Wisconsin and Ped State win out.

 

[DTP]

If Miami beats VaTech, at home, with a last second FG...and Wisconsin goes on the road and destroys Indiana...

Then the CFP Committee will keep Wisconsin ahead of us. Our win will just continue to prove the biased narrative, that Miami can't dominate anyone, that we are winning with luck. And Wisconsin has already been evaluated with 8 weak victories, so what is one more?

You're making an awful bold assumption that the committee would value a blowout win against a bad team over a close win against a ranked team. Especially since they've already put Georgia ahead of Alabama based solely on the fact that they value a nail biter victory over Notre Dame over any of Alabama's blowout wins against inferior teams.

Clearly, you don't understand. I didn't make any "bold assumptions".

Wisconsin is already ahead of us. The knock on Miami is that we have too many close victories/escapes.

So if Wisconsin does everything Wisconsin can do (i.e., win by a large margin on the road), and Miami does "what the CFP Committee thinks we do" (i.e., win by a small, lucky margin at home), then (a) Wisconsin has not given the committee a reason to drop them, and (b) Miami has not given the committee a reason to vault them.

See how that works? It's not a "one-week analysis" of Wisconsin's big margin of victory vs. another one of Miami's lucky escapes. It is more about how the bias as to the "body of work" is confirmed for each team by each of those outcomes.

This isn't difficult. Some heel-draggers are making it so.

A victory by any margin over Virginia Tech drastically changes Miami's "body of work". A victory over Notre Dame a week later even more so. You're placing the same exact value on every single game regardless of quality of opponent. Do you honestly believe that the committee values blowout wins against bad teams over close victories over good teams. They already proven that not to be the case (see Georgia over Alabama).

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Did you bet Syracuse upsetting Clemson, or Iowa State beating Oklahoma in Norman? Don't pretend that you have any ****ing clue what IS going to happen.

Nope, and all that means is that we pass Notre Dame this week instead of next week. Either way, Notre Dame can't finish ahead of us if we go 12-0. Quit bringing up Notre Dame.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Uh...no...

Wisconsin wins out. Undefeated. Stays ahead of Miami.

But...they can't play BOTH Ohio State and Ped State in the conference championship. Whoever does NOT go to the Big 10 championship is currently ahead of us AND can stay ahead of us.

Thus...as I pointed out before...it will be VERY EASY for two Big 10 teams to remain in front of Miami. Wisconsin and Ped State win out.

If Miami beats #3 twice in the last four weeks, Penn State is a non-factor. If we go 12-0, we will not finish behind a team that did not win their conference.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Can someone just give me a list of all the undefeated Power 5 teams that finished behind a team that did not win its conference? Just one example, ever.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

Then refute his argument. Explain how the 4 of the one loss teams and 2 of the undefeated teams currently ranked ahead of us don't have to have 2 losses for us jump them if both ND and VTech lose out and end up 8-4.Explain how we jump a 1 loss, Bama, UGA, OSU, Oklahoma, TCU, and Penn State, if our best wins manage to go 8-4. Now assume Clemson beats NC State, but loses to FSU, and NC State at 10-2 gets to the ACCCG. We beat them and our best win is a 10-3 team ranked mid teens?

We need to win out, have ND and VT win out, have Clemson beat NC State and FSU and not **** the bed against The Citadel like they did against Syracuse, beat Clemson, and have 2 of the teams ahead of us get to 2 losses.

All of these are likely, but not guaranteed. That's the problem with an undefeated P5 team opening the CFP rankings at 10. We absolutely should be able to run the table and be in without help, but that is not the case.

Refute his argument? Sure. If we beat #13 Virginia Tech, #3 Notre Dame, and #4 Clemson, we will move up to #2 with the most impressive final five weeks in the country.

That's exactly right. If Miami runs the table and beats Clemson in the ACC championship, there's not a 1 loss team that will jump them in the final rankings. These guys are nuts if they think that's going to happen. I don't give a sht if Va Tech and ND lose one more after they play Miami, they aren't getting lower than a 2 seed.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Then refute his argument. Explain how the 4 of the one loss teams and 2 of the undefeated teams currently ranked ahead of us don't have to have 2 losses for us jump them if both ND and VTech lose out and end up 8-4.Explain how we jump a 1 loss, Bama, UGA, OSU, Oklahoma, TCU, and Penn State, if our best wins manage to go 8-4. Now assume Clemson beats NC State, but loses to FSU, and NC State at 10-2 gets to the ACCCG. We beat them and our best win is a 10-3 team ranked mid teens?

We need to win out, have ND and VT win out, have Clemson beat NC State and FSU and not **** the bed against The Citadel like they did against Syracuse, beat Clemson, and have 2 of the teams ahead of us get to 2 losses.

All of these are likely, but not guaranteed. That's the problem with an undefeated P5 team opening the CFP rankings at 10. We absolutely should be able to run the table and be in without help, but that is not the case.

Refute his argument? Sure. If we beat #13 Virginia Tech, #3 Notre Dame, and #4 Clemson, we will move up to #2 with the most impressive final five weeks in the country.

That's exactly right. If Miami runs the table and beats Clemson in the ACC championship, there's not a 1 loss team that will jump them in the final rankings. These guys are nuts if they think that's going to happen. I don't give a sht if Va Tech and ND lose one more after they play Miami, they aren't getting lower than a 2 seed.

They don't have to jump us. They're already ahead of us. I could easily see a UGA/Bama championship game coming down to 6 points or fewer where the loser only drops to 3rd or 4th. We could easily go 12-0 and be sitting at home watching:

Alabama v. Oklahoma
Ohio State v. UGA

We've got multiple teams ahead of us that will have to get to 2 losses before we get in.


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[HarryCarayisGoat]

I honestly believe if we beat VT, lose a close game to ND and the run the table including beating a top 3, 1- loss CLemson team then we get in the playoffs.

Bama
Big Ten winner
ND
Miami

Very possible. All of these mopes think that all nine teams in front of us are going undefeated.

There is so much football to be played. The fact that people get in an uproar when a poll comes out with 6 weeks to play always makes me want to vomit. That top 4 will continually change until the final week.

5 weeks left to play, not 6.

The top 2 teams do not play each other until the 5th weekend.

So, yeah, the "top 4" may not change much.

Teams have to play each other for a poll to change?

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

Then refute his argument. Explain how the 4 of the one loss teams and 2 of the undefeated teams currently ranked ahead of us don't have to have 2 losses for us jump them if both ND and VTech lose out and end up 8-4.Explain how we jump a 1 loss, Bama, UGA, OSU, Oklahoma, TCU, and Penn State, if our best wins manage to go 8-4. Now assume Clemson beats NC State, but loses to FSU, and NC State at 10-2 gets to the ACCCG. We beat them and our best win is a 10-3 team ranked mid teens?

We need to win out, have ND and VT win out, have Clemson beat NC State and FSU and not **** the bed against The Citadel like they did against Syracuse, beat Clemson, and have 2 of the teams ahead of us get to 2 losses.

All of these are likely, but not guaranteed. That's the problem with an undefeated P5 team opening the CFP rankings at 10. We absolutely should be able to run the table and be in without help, but that is not the case.

Refute his argument? Sure. If we beat #13 Virginia Tech, #3 Notre Dame, and #4 Clemson, we will move up to #2 with the most impressive final five weeks in the country.

That's exactly right. If Miami runs the table and beats Clemson in the ACC championship, there's not a 1 loss team that will jump them in the final rankings. These guys are nuts if they think that's going to happen. I don't give a sht if Va Tech and ND lose one more after they play Miami, they aren't getting lower than a 2 seed.

They don't have to jump us. They're already ahead of us. I could easily see a UGA/Bama championship game coming down to 6 points or fewer where the loser only drops to 3rd or 4th. We could easily go 12-0 and be sitting at home watching:

Alabama v. Oklahoma
Ohio State v. UGA

We've got multiple teams ahead of us that will have to get to 2 losses before we get in.


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[TheOriginalCane]

You're making an awful bold assumption that the committee would value a blowout win against a bad team over a close win against a ranked team. Especially since they've already put Georgia ahead of Alabama based solely on the fact that they value a nail biter victory over Notre Dame over any of Alabama's blowout wins against inferior teams.

They've already demonstrated that they value a close loss to a team over a win against that very same team. I don't think anything is much of a stretch after seeing that. It's clear that some teams have more leeway with the committee than others when is comes to wins, losses, and style points. It is also clear that, as it relates to the previous statement, Miami falls in the "others" category.

I assume you're talking about Clemson? I think the committee is giving them more credit for beating Auburn than they are holding the Syracuse loss against them. Not sure I agree that a team that lost to Syracuse should be ranked in the top 4 but ask yourself this: Where do you think they would have Miami had they beaten Auburn instead of Bethune Cookman in week 1?

Doesn't matter. Give Clemson our schedule and they still have a loss. It's not entirely that they lost and are ahead of us. It was a bad loss. They were never in that game. In all of our games, I never felt like we were going to lose. Watching Clemson and Syracuse, you never thought Clemson had a chance to win. They were beat up that game by a team that still has to win two of BC, Louisville, FSU, and Wake Forest before they become bowl eligible.

It's not just looking at the final scores and saying, "Well Clemson played Syracuse close and came away with a tough loss, but Miami also played Syracuse close and barely scraped by."

You have to watch the games and measure the performance. Only then would you know that Clemson was never in that game and only miraculously managed to keep it respectable, while Miami was 4 drops away from hanging 50 on Syracuse. We beat the dog**** out of Syracuse but had misfires on at least 4 scoring opportunities.

There's no need to worry about Clemson being in front of us. We will either play them or they will have lost to NC State. Clemson is a non-factor in this discussion. It is literally impossible for us to go 12-0 and remain behind Clemson.

Again, Clemson is not the primary concern. Not sure why you haven't picked up on that.

The winner of Alabama-Georgia is a concern.

The loser of Alabama-Georgia is a concern.

An undefeated Wisconsin is a concern.

A 1-loss Big 10 team that does not go to the Big 10 championship game is a concern.

The Big 12 winner is a concern.

Washington is a concern.

That is 6 concerns without ever mentioning Clemson. We could finish undefeated and #7 in the country.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Here's how it happens by default with no outside help required:

November 4th - Miami beats [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 3[/URL] Virginia Tech

1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Notre Dame
4. Clemson
5. Oklahoma
6. Ohio State
7. Penn State
8. TCU
9. Miami - passes Wisconsin who plays unranked Indiana

November 11th - Miami beats #3 Notre Dame, plus either Oklahoma or TCU has to lose
1. Georgia
2. Alabama
3. Clemson
4. Oklahoma/ TCU winner
5. Ohio State
6. Miami - passes Notre Dame, Okl/TCU loser, and Penn State who plays unranked Rutgers and has one loss

Fast forward to Championship Saturday

Miami beats #3 Clemson, and either Alabama or Georgia has to lose.

1. Alabama/ Georgia winner
2. Ohio State IF THEY WIN THE B10
3. Big 12 winner IF IT'S A 1-LOSS TEAM
4. Miami passes Clemson and Alabama/ Georgia loser

So if we run the table, we're #4 AT MINIMUM. And to stay that low this would have to be the one year in history that there are no upsets in November.

But you guys keep trying to come up with scenarios in which 12-0 ACC Champ Miami is #6 .

I'm not sure you understand the concept of "no outside help required".

1. No guarantee that Miami passes Wisconsin next week. I know you WANT IT to happen, but if it does happen, it would require the CFP Committee changing their minds. "Outside help required". Not within Miami's control. No guarantee that a Miami win results in Miami passing Wisconsin if they win as well.

2. Week 2 is the SAME EXACT THING. You are willfully moving Miami past Ped State FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN YOU DISMISS PED STATE BEATING RUTGERS. In fact, this outcome is even MORE unlikely than us jumping Wisconsin, as Ped State is ranked even higher than Wisconsin. The CFP Committee thinks that Ped State is MULTIPLE SPOTS higher than Miami, not just one spot. Again, the very definition of "outside help required" and that Miami is not in control of its own destiny. Twice in a row, you have willfully moved Miami ahead of teams that WON. We have already seen AP voters DROP Miami after wins, so I'm not sure why you make this insane assumption that we will "automatically" jump other winning teams who are already ahead of us.

3. You are willfully moving UM ahead of the Alabama-Georgia loser, again, because you WANT TO. Currently, the NUMBER THREE TEAM is a team that lost to the #1 team. There is no guarantee that a game between #1 and #2 would result in a drop outside of the Top 4 or 5 for the loser. Again, you ignore the very concept of what Miami CAN control and what we CANNOT control.

4. And all of this continues to ignore Washington and/or Oklahoma State.

Again, you manage to make yourself look more ignorant every time you "attempt" your illogical arguments.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

5 weeks left to play, not 6.

The top 2 teams do not play each other until the 5th weekend.

So, yeah, the "top 4" may not change much.

It doesn't need to change much until December, since only one poll counts. Weird, I know.

Typical selective quoting by you.

Of course, you refused to include the statement to which I was responding: "That top 4 will continually change until the final week."

A statement which I accurately and successfully rebutted, and to which you agree. So, in trying to "show me up", you actually proved that you agree with me.

Another backfire on your part.

 

[HarryCarayisGoat]

They've already demonstrated that they value a close loss to a team over a win against that very same team. I don't think anything is much of a stretch after seeing that. It's clear that some teams have more leeway with the committee than others when is comes to wins, losses, and style points. It is also clear that, as it relates to the previous statement, Miami falls in the "others" category.

I assume you're talking about Clemson? I think the committee is giving them more credit for beating Auburn than they are holding the Syracuse loss against them. Not sure I agree that a team that lost to Syracuse should be ranked in the top 4 but ask yourself this: Where do you think they would have Miami had they beaten Auburn instead of Bethune Cookman in week 1?

Doesn't matter. Give Clemson our schedule and they still have a loss. It's not entirely that they lost and are ahead of us. It was a bad loss. They were never in that game. In all of our games, I never felt like we were going to lose. Watching Clemson and Syracuse, you never thought Clemson had a chance to win. They were beat up that game by a team that still has to win two of BC, Louisville, FSU, and Wake Forest before they become bowl eligible.

It's not just looking at the final scores and saying, "Well Clemson played Syracuse close and came away with a tough loss, but Miami also played Syracuse close and barely scraped by."

You have to watch the games and measure the performance. Only then would you know that Clemson was never in that game and only miraculously managed to keep it respectable, while Miami was 4 drops away from hanging 50 on Syracuse. We beat the dog**** out of Syracuse but had misfires on at least 4 scoring opportunities.

There's no need to worry about Clemson being in front of us. We will either play them or they will have lost to NC State. Clemson is a non-factor in this discussion. It is literally impossible for us to go 12-0 and remain behind Clemson.

Again, Clemson is not the primary concern. Not sure why you haven't picked up on that.

The winner of Alabama-Georgia is a concern.

The loser of Alabama-Georgia is a concern.

An undefeated Wisconsin is a concern.

A 1-loss Big 10 team that does not go to the Big 10 championship game is a concern.

The Big 12 winner is a concern.

Washington is a concern.

That is 6 concerns without ever mentioning Clemson. We could finish undefeated and #7 in the country.

Hey Pal go ahead and take a break for a bit. You could not be any more wrong than you are on this subject.

 

[mackjones]

If Miami beats VaTech, at home, with a last second FG...and Wisconsin goes on the road and destroys Indiana...

Then the CFP Committee will keep Wisconsin ahead of us. Our win will just continue to prove the biased narrative, that Miami can't dominate anyone, that we are winning with luck. And Wisconsin has already been evaluated with 8 weak victories, so what is one more?

You're making an awful bold assumption that the committee would value a blowout win against a bad team over a close win against a ranked team. Especially since they've already put Georgia ahead of Alabama based solely on the fact that they value a nail biter victory over Notre Dame over any of Alabama's blowout wins against inferior teams.

They've already demonstrated that they value a close loss to a team over a win against that very same team. I don't think anything is much of a stretch after seeing that. It's clear that some teams have more leeway with the committee than others when is comes to wins, losses, and style points. It is also clear that, as it relates to the previous statement, Miami falls in the "others" category.

I assume you're talking about Clemson? I think the committee is giving them more credit for beating Auburn than they are holding the Syracuse loss against them. Not sure I agree that a team that lost to Syracuse should be ranked in the top 4 but ask yourself this: Where do you think they would have Miami had they beaten Auburn instead of Bethune Cookman in week 1?

But, once again, you are making an unnecessary comparison (Clemson beating Auburn vs. Miami beating Auburn).

WE ALREADY HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

Clemson lost to Syracuse. One week later, Miami beat Syracuse. It is the ULTIMATE non-head-to-head comparison, i.e., common opponents.

Clemson is still ranked ahead of Miami.

So the CFP Committee is allowing Clemson's EIGHT POINT victory (sound familiar?) over Auburn to erase their loss to Syracuse, while completely ignoring that Miami beat the very same Syracuse team a week later.

Makes no sense at all.

The only sensible reason for ranking mighty Clemson ahead of Miami, is Clemson lost on the ROAD. Whereas Miami defeated Syracuse at home. hUh.