CFP rankings at 7

[TheOriginalCane]

Could you people possibly learn how to delete the 10 quotes above the one you are responding to?

Could you possibly learn how to comprehend the English language and math, as well as multiple valid arguments?

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

No, you continue to out-buffoon everyone.

I do not believe the CFP will only move us up when someone loses. I am simply pointing out a couple of things, which you need to wedge into your tiny brain to achieve partial comprehension.

First, the CFP already believes that SIX 1-loss teams are ahead of us. We have 4 regular season games left, 2 of which are impressive and 2 of which are not. And the "impressive" games could always become LESS IMPRESSIVE if those teams then lose more games, as F$U did.

Second, the SIX 1-loss teams ahead of us (and even OK State and Washington behind us) do not exactly play "bad teams" the rest of the way. Most of the EIGHT 1-loss teams around us (and I'm ignoring VaTech for now) have at least 2 impressive games left. So, unlike your ridiculous assessment of what you THOUGHT I was saying, what I am actually saying is this: the other teams that are ranked ahead of us, and just behind us, have the EXACT SAME ability to improve their resumes that Miami has, thus if even a couple of those EIGHT teams put together the wins, then Miami's "wins against VaTech and Notre Dame" are not any more or less impressive than what most of those teams can argue.

Third, the knock against Miami is that we are "barely" beating teams. Thus, what if we beat VaTech by 6 and Notre Dame by 3, both wins coming in the final minutes. Will we have changed ANYTHING that the CFP Committee has already seen? And going back to my second point, what if the remaining quality victories racked up by any of the approximately 10 teams around us are MORE IMPRESSIVE than our "lucky escapes" against VaTech and Notre Dame.

Again, I realize your brain doesn't have the bandwidth to juggle so many complex issues, and you should probably wait until December to even start thinking about any of this, we don't want you to injure yourself.

The points here, and before, are so simple.

Just because Miami "wins" against VaTech and Notre Dame...is not a guarantee of ANYTHING. Our wins might be "unimpressive" or "lucky". Other teams might post more impressive wins against comparable competition. Other teams (several) might win out.

The thought that the CFP Committee will, each week, rip up ALL OF THEIR ASSUMPTIONS and start all over with their rankings is simply insane. They already have a pecking order, and mere single-digit wins against VaTech and Notre Dame will not miraculously vault us over 6 or 8 other teams. The CFP Committee is made up of 13 people, some of whom don't like UM for their own personal reasons. They have already written off 2/3 of our season as "only worthy of the #10 spot". If the teams ahead of us win the games they should win, we could finish as low as #7 , even with an undefeated record. That's a fact.

You act as if the CFP Committee will SUDDENLY be more impressed with an undefeated team over a 1-loss team in a month, when they already feel the opposite right now.

Keep huffing those fumes, though.

The personal attacks aren't the least bit bothersome, and they make you look especially juvenile. All over a bunch of 20 year old kids who don't know that you exist. But you do you.

A 12-0, ACC Champion with those three wins in the last month is probably the biggest lock in the four years of CFP rankings outside of Alabama. You can do the black helicopter thing and worry about 1 in 100,000 scenarios where everyone in front of us manages to pull out every win for the first time in college football history.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Then refute his argument. Explain how the 4 of the one loss teams and 2 of the undefeated teams currently ranked ahead of us don't have to have 2 losses for us jump them if both ND and VTech lose out and end up 8-4.Explain how we jump a 1 loss, Bama, UGA, OSU, Oklahoma, TCU, and Penn State, if our best wins manage to go 8-4. Now assume Clemson beats NC State, but loses to FSU, and NC State at 10-2 gets to the ACCCG. We beat them and our best win is a 10-3 team ranked mid teens?

We need to win out, have ND and VT win out, have Clemson beat NC State and FSU and not **** the bed against The Citadel like they did against Syracuse, beat Clemson, and have 2 of the teams ahead of us get to 2 losses.

All of these are likely, but not guaranteed. That's the problem with an undefeated P5 team opening the CFP rankings at 10. We absolutely should be able to run the table and be in without help, but that is not the case.

Refute his argument? Sure. If we beat #13 Virginia Tech, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] Notre Dame, and #4 Clemson, we will move up to #2 with the most impressive final five weeks in the country.

You refuted nothing. You've restated the same moronic opinion you've had all along. If we win we're in. Rankings right now mean nothing. Got it. I'll inform the committee that they can all go home until after the Notre Dame game. Thanks for letting us know.

What you've failed to address is the scenario where we beat ND and VaTech and they each lose their remaining games. Do you really think the committee will give us credit for beating a team that was once #3 but has since dropped from the rankings? I submit FSU as exhibit A.

 

[Buck Teeth]

Kirby Hocutt said the committee did not look at polls. If that is the case, Bama should not be #2 . It is obvious that the committee is basing that ranking off of what they think of Bama as opposed to what Bama has done this year. Bama should be #8 and we are properly ranked at #10 . I have no problem with anyone that thinks we should be ranked ahead of Clemson. That is, we did beat the team that beat Clemson. I think that Kelly Bryant injury talk is BS. Injuries happen in football. Kelly Bryant played, injured or not, against Syracuse and Syracuse put him out the game.

I'm not a bama fan but you are mentally handicapped if you think Bama isn't one of the top teams. They will be favorites over every single team in the nation on a neutral field. They are by far the favorites to win it all. It doesn't take a genius to know this.

Fool, it's not about what "you think." it's about what a team has accomplished THIS SEASON. Despite how you or the committee feels about Bama, their 2017 "body of work" is weak compared to other teams...like ND, OU, O.State, etc.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Very smart post.

This guy gets it. Jagr is lost.

When these two guys are congratulating each other on their intelligence.......

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

You refuted nothing. You've restated the same moronic opinion you've had all along. If we win we're in. Rankings right now mean nothing. Got it. I'll inform the committee that they can all go home until after the Notre Dame game. Thanks for letting us know.

What you've failed to address is the scenario where we beat ND and VaTech and they each lose their remaining games. Do you really think the committee will give us credit for beating a team that was once #3 but has since dropped from the rankings? I submit FSU as exhibit A.

I gave at least as much factual evidence as either of you clowns. You're both worried about scenarios that have 0% chance of happening.

 

[The Owl]

Kirby Hocutt said the committee did not look at polls. If that is the case, Bama should not be #2 . It is obvious that the committee is basing that ranking off of what they think of Bama as opposed to what Bama has done this year. Bama should be #8 and we are properly ranked at #10 . I have no problem with anyone that thinks we should be ranked ahead of Clemson. That is, we did beat the team that beat Clemson. I think that Kelly Bryant injury talk is BS. Injuries happen in football. Kelly Bryant played, injured or not, against Syracuse and Syracuse put him out the game.

I'm not a bama fan but you are mentally handicapped if you think Bama isn't one of the top teams. They will be favorites over every single team in the nation on a neutral field. They are by far the favorites to win it all. It doesn't take a genius to know this.

Fool, it's not about what "you think." it's about what a team has accomplished THIS SEASON. Despite how you or the committee feels about Bama, their 2017 "body of work" is weak compared to other teams...like ND, OU, O.State, etc.

Yes being the team that is power rated highest in the market is something you just write off.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Here's their argument: "If we go 12-0, we will get left out if Virginia Tech and Notre Dame combine to go 0-5 to end the season."

And people wonder why this board is such a mess.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Kirby Hocutt said the committee did not look at polls. If that is the case, Bama should not be #2 . It is obvious that the committee is basing that ranking off of what they think of Bama as opposed to what Bama has done this year. Bama should be #8 and we are properly ranked at #10 . I have no problem with anyone that thinks we should be ranked ahead of Clemson. That is, we did beat the team that beat Clemson. I think that Kelly Bryant injury talk is BS. Injuries happen in football. Kelly Bryant played, injured or not, against Syracuse and Syracuse put him out the game.

I'm not a bama fan but you are mentally handicapped if you think Bama isn't one of the top teams. They will be favorites over every single team in the nation on a neutral field. They are by far the favorites to win it all. It doesn't take a genius to know this.

I think we do know this. I think his point was that the committee says they don't consider such things, but we all know it's nonsense. According to the committee, they don't consider polls or margin of victory. Just things like strength of schedule, where Miami is 34th and Bama is 70th, and strength of record, where Miami is 2nd and Bama is 4th. His point was how obvious it is that the committee considers things that is explicitly says that it does not.

 

[ddann]

So to boil it all down, the committee isn't really ranking teams based on what they have done to this point. Instead, they're looking into their magic 8 ball and projecting where they think everyone will end up.

That must be what they're doing, otherwise you can't have TCU ahead of Miami.

You guys can argue back and forth all day about whether Miami or Wisconsin should be higher, but both are undefeated P5 programs. TCU just lost to Iowa State and couldn't even score on offense in the process, so don't tell me about how Miami has been winning ugly.

 

[The Franchise]

You disagree? Cool. Let's see how this shakes out. But take it easy with the personal ****, man. It's a friggin sports forum.

Unfortunately this is how it is allowed to be on this forum. Anonymous internet warriors rule this place.

Three pages after you called me a dyckhead. Good stuff.

 

[Loose Cannon]

You refuted nothing. You've restated the same moronic opinion you've had all along. If we win we're in. Rankings right now mean nothing. Got it. I'll inform the committee that they can all go home until after the Notre Dame game. Thanks for letting us know.

What you've failed to address is the scenario where we beat ND and VaTech and they each lose their remaining games. Do you really think the committee will give us credit for beating a team that was once #3 but has since dropped from the rankings? I submit FSU as exhibit A.

I gave at least as much factual evidence as either of you clowns. You're both worried about scenarios that have 0% chance of happening.

Now I get it. The rankings mean nothing right now because you know how things will play out. Why didn't you just say that in the beginning. It would have saved us 16 pages because nobody can possibly argue with that.

 

[The Franchise]

It is not apples to oranges. It is subjective criteria being applied when there is ample objective data that should render it meaningless. So maybe a 2 loss team with really good wins won't jump an undefeated team, but certainly if a 1 loss team can jump a 0 loss team with good wins, then certainly you'd have no problem placing that 2 loss team with really good wins ahead of some 1 loss teams with not so impressive wins, especially the 2 one loss teams they beat head up.

There's where your logic breaks down. If quality wins can put Oklahoma ahead of Miami, then surely quality wins should put Iowa State ahead of Oklahoma.

It's really just simple logic. The teams ranked 1 through 13 are undefeated or have one loss. The teams that are behind them have at least two losses, with exception of non-P5 teams UCF and Memphis.

2 losses eliminate you from the playoff. If Clemson loses again, they don't go to the Playoff. Same for OSU. It's the reason why the Pac-12 won't have any chance at the playoff this year (I know UW has only one loss but their schedule is a joke).

The playoff committee applies a threshold, and right now the teams that have a chance are undefeated or have 1-loss. Miami still has a chance; Iowa State doesn't. The Committee isn't looking at comparing Miami's "good wins" v. ISU's, because ISU has two losses. Simple.

My argument is the exact same as your. You're just too **** dumb to apply your own standard with consistency.

2 loss teams are out because there are 1 loss and undefeated teams ahead of them. Why aren't 1 loss teams out of contention as long as undefeated teams remain? And please, do go back to the who they beat crap unless you want to legitimize Iowa States wins against #3 and #5 .

It's real simple logic actually. Either Iowa State is a better football team than the #3 and #5 teams, or the #3 and #5 teams were highly overrated. It cannot be both, and it cannot be neither. That is the essence of your reasoning; that it is either both or neither.

Dude. No need to get personal; we're disagreeing about something that we really have no control over. Take it easy.

If you think that my arguments should mean that a 2-loss team should jump an undefeated team, nothing I'm going to say is going to dissuade you. The one loss teams ahead of us have played a better schedule and have better wins, and that's why they're ranked ahead of us. Pretty simple.

You disagree? Cool. Let's see how this shakes out. But take it easy with the personal ****, man. It's a friggin sports forum.

I've neither said nor implied that. That's what you want my argument to be because it's easier to attack. I've clearly stated repeatedly that if your criteria says that a 1 loss team can jump an undefeated team based on quality wins, then why can't a 2 loss team with very high quality wins jump the one loss teams, especially the one loss teams they beat heads up.

Your argument is that TCU, Oklahoma, and Clemson are one loss teams that deserve to be ranked ahead of Miami based on quality wins. My argument is that the quality of their losses, to unranked teams, should have them firmly in the 13-17 range muddled in with 2 loss teams with better quality wins.

I'm asking you to apply your standard that justifies TCU ahead of Miami unilaterally. By that standard, when applied across the board, Miami can be ranked no worse than 4th. We're 10th because the committee is using different standards and criteria on a subjective basis to achieve their predetermined and desired outcome. That is **** we should not be forced to overcome. Winning all your football games up to any point in the season should be enough.

2 losses is the magical, mystical cut off in the purely scientific world of analyzing football teams. That’s why TCU and Oklahoma are better than Iowa State. Get with it, bud. This is science. And there’s no bias toward programs that have been winning recently versus those that haven’t.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Here's their argument: "If we go 12-0, we will get left out if Virginia Tech and Notre Dame combine to go 0-5 to end the season."

And people wonder why this board is such a mess.

No. The argument is that the committee already thinks Miami is not a better team than 6 SIX SEIS teams. Two unimpressive wins against teams that don't finish the season impressively is not going to change their mind. The argument remains that Miami must win out, have ND and VT win out, Clemson run the table to get to the ACCCG, and at least two of the teams ahead of us get to two losses. If any of those do not happen, Miami is out. All of those have to play out for us to get in.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

You disagree? Cool. Let's see how this shakes out. But take it easy with the personal ****, man. It's a friggin sports forum.

Unfortunately this is how it is allowed to be on this forum. Anonymous internet warriors rule this place.

Three pages after you called me a dyckhead. Good stuff.

But you're not here as an actual person. It's an internet character.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Now I get it. The rankings mean nothing right now because you know how things will play out. Why didn't you just say that in the beginning. It would have saved us 16 pages because nobody can possibly argue with that.

The rankings DON'T mean anything right now. Only a novice football fan would argue that they do.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Then refute his argument. Explain how the 4 of the one loss teams and 2 of the undefeated teams currently ranked ahead of us don't have to have 2 losses for us jump them if both ND and VTech lose out and end up 8-4.Explain how we jump a 1 loss, Bama, UGA, OSU, Oklahoma, TCU, and Penn State, if our best wins manage to go 8-4. Now assume Clemson beats NC State, but loses to FSU, and NC State at 10-2 gets to the ACCCG. We beat them and our best win is a 10-3 team ranked mid teens?

We need to win out, have ND and VT win out, have Clemson beat NC State and FSU and not **** the bed against The Citadel like they did against Syracuse, beat Clemson, and have 2 of the teams ahead of us get to 2 losses.

All of these are likely, but not guaranteed. That's the problem with an undefeated P5 team opening the CFP rankings at 10. We absolutely should be able to run the table and be in without help, but that is not the case.

Refute his argument? Sure. If we beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 3[/URL] Virginia Tech, #3 Notre Dame, and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4]#4 [/URL] Clemson, we will move up to [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] with the most impressive final five weeks in the country.

Typical nonsense.

If we beat those three teams, they will all be ranked lower. Again, as I have ALWAYS pointed out, we would need all three of those teams to continue winning (besides when we beat them) for those victories to be as impressive as they could be. So, again, something that is OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

Next...

Georgia has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 4[/URL] Auburn and #2 Alabama.
Alabama has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 4[/URL] Auburn, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 9[/URL] LSU, and #1 Georgia.
Notre Dame has a chance to beat #1 0 Miami and #2 1 Stanford.
Clemson has a chance to beat #2 9 NC State and (presumably) #1 0 Miami.
Oklahoma has a chance to beat #1 1 OK State and #8 TCU, plus somebody good in the Big 12 championship.
Ohio State has a chance to beat #2 4 Michigan State and (if Ped State falters) somebody good in the Big 10 championship, likely #9 Wisconsin.
Ped State has a chance to beat #2 4 Michigan State and somebody good in the Big 10 championship, likely #9 Wisconsin.
TCU has a chance to beat #5 Oklahoma, plus somebody good in the Big 12 championship.
Wisconsin has a chance to beat either #6 Ohio State or #7 Ped State in the Big 10 championship.
Oklahoma State has a chance to beat #5 Oklahoma, #1 5 Iowa State, plus somebody good in the Big 12 championship.
Washington has a chance to beat #2 2 Stanford, #2 5 Washington State, and either #1 7 USC or #2 2 Arizona in the Pac 12 championship.
Virginia Tech has a chance to beat #1 0 Miami and a good team in the ACC-CG, likely #4 Clemson or #2 0 NC State.

Plenty of teams have plenty of opportunities for "quality wins". And we have no guarantee that our quality wins will be "as high of a quality" by the end of the year if those teams lose more games (as with the win over loss-happy F$U). And we have no guarantee that we will be playing Clemson. Clemson does not even CURRENTLY lead the Atlantic Division, NC State does. Finally, we have no guarantee that WINNING those games will produce the desired impression, as we could ONCE AGAIN be criticized for winning by small margins.

So, in reality, your "just win" approach is about as full of crap as...well, you get the picture.

As you can see, there is a TON of stuff that is out of our control. Winning does not guarantee us a Final Four spot. It just...doesn't...

 

[getcaned]

jagr does the same **** on the baseball board he talks ****, stirs the pot, always against Miami and beats a dead horse. i swear him and bleakvern were separated at birth. its his modus operandi. just calling it as it is.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

No. The argument is that the committee already thinks Miami is not a better team than 6 SIX SEIS teams.

The committee already thinks that Miami is not better than NINE teams. We are #10 .

Two unimpressive wins against teams that don't finish the season impressively is not going to change their mind. The argument remains that Miami must win out, have ND and VT win out, Clemson run the table to get to the ACCCG, and at least two of the teams ahead of us get to two losses. If any of those do not happen, Miami is out. All of those have to play out for us to get in.

And that argument is terrible. If we beat VT, ND, and Clemson, and don't crap the bed against Pitt or UVA, we are in. We would be the #2 team in that scenario, while you idiots think we will be #6 .

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Then refute his argument. Explain how the 4 of the one loss teams and 2 of the undefeated teams currently ranked ahead of us don't have to have 2 losses for us jump them if both ND and VTech lose out and end up 8-4.Explain how we jump a 1 loss, Bama, UGA, OSU, Oklahoma, TCU, and Penn State, if our best wins manage to go 8-4. Now assume Clemson beats NC State, but loses to FSU, and NC State at 10-2 gets to the ACCCG. We beat them and our best win is a 10-3 team ranked mid teens?

We need to win out, have ND and VT win out, have Clemson beat NC State and FSU and not **** the bed against The Citadel like they did against Syracuse, beat Clemson, and have 2 of the teams ahead of us get to 2 losses.

All of these are likely, but not guaranteed. That's the problem with an undefeated P5 team opening the CFP rankings at 10. We absolutely should be able to run the table and be in without help, but that is not the case.

Refute his argument? Sure. If we beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 3[/URL] Virginia Tech, #3 Notre Dame, and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4]#4 [/URL] Clemson, we will move up to [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] [/URL] with the most impressive final five weeks in the country.

Typical nonsense.

If we beat those three teams, they will all be ranked lower. Again, as I have ALWAYS pointed out, we would need all three of those teams to continue winning (besides when we beat them) for those victories to be as impressive as they could be. So, again, something that is OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

Next...

Georgia has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 4[/URL] Auburn and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] Alabama.
Alabama has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 4[/URL] Auburn, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 9[/URL] LSU, and #1 Georgia.
Notre Dame has a chance to beat #1 0 Miami and [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 1 Stanford.
Clemson has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 9 NC State and (presumably) #1 0 Miami.
Oklahoma has a chance to beat #1 1 OK State and #8 TCU, plus somebody good in the Big 12 championship.
Ohio State has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 4 Michigan State and (if Ped State falters) somebody good in the Big 10 championship, likely #9 Wisconsin.
Ped State has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 4 Michigan State and somebody good in the Big 10 championship, likely #9 Wisconsin.
TCU has a chance to beat #5 Oklahoma, plus somebody good in the Big 12 championship.
Wisconsin has a chance to beat either #6 Ohio State or #7 Ped State in the Big 10 championship.
Oklahoma State has a chance to beat #5 Oklahoma, #1 5 Iowa State, plus somebody good in the Big 12 championship.
Washington has a chance to beat [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 2 Stanford, [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 5 Washington State, and either #1 7 USC or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 2 Arizona in the Pac 12 championship.
Virginia Tech has a chance to beat #1 0 Miami and a good team in the ACC-CG, likely #4 Clemson or [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2 [/URL] 0 NC State.

Plenty of teams have plenty of opportunities for "quality wins". And we have no guarantee that our quality wins will be "as high of a quality" by the end of the year if those teams lose more games (as with the win over loss-happy F$U). And we have no guarantee that we will be playing Clemson. Clemson does not even CURRENTLY lead the Atlantic Division, NC State does. Finally, we have no guarantee that WINNING those games will produce the desired impression, as we could ONCE AGAIN be criticized for winning by small margins.

So, in reality, your "just win" approach is about as full of crap as...well, you get the picture.

As you can see, there is a TON of stuff that is out of our control. Winning does not guarantee us a Final Four spot. It just...doesn't...

We win out, we are #2 .

Feel free to prove me wrong with historical evidence.