Carolina Panthers S Tre Boston on Butch Davis..

[Cane2]

Don't you just love anecdotes?

I wonder what Cardale Jones has to say about Herman? Or Ginger Dalton about Fuente? Do you think Mariota likes Chip Kelly?

Or better yet, let's rehire Al b/c Mo Wilkerson loved him!

WTF have any of them won? All you hataz can GTFO

Chip Kelly won more BCS bowls than Butch did. Herman won a national title as a coordinator. Butch Davis won a national Super Bowl title as a coordinator and he was denied a title his last year for politics Fuente has had more 10+ win seasons than Butch, and he's only been a head coach for 4 years.

Not sure if you realize this, but Butch doesn't have a ring as HC either.

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[UMFarArcher]

In 2009 Butch lost 3 of his 5 games by 3 points or less with a very young team. In 2010 he lost3 of his 5 games by 6 points or less with a team that had so many suspensions.

The first two years he inherited garbage and turned them from 3 wins to 8 in 2 years.

If he hadn't stuck with such a terrible OC, he could have turned those one possession games into wins. I like Butch and would be happy if he was hired. But he needs to bring in a good OC or there is the potential of him dropping a game or two a year he shouldn't. I would imagine Burch has learned from his mistakes. Experience is huge and he has plenty of it plus time spent reflecting and studying.

If Butch put together a great staff, then I think we immediately are competing for the ACC.

At least he played them tough in most of his multiple losses.

You almost - ALMOST - have me wishing now that Cristobal comes as Head Coach.

And really fug things up.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

So Butch is supposed to get 10 wins when he only had 12 scholarships or was only given three years at a school that was getting two wins a year. Show me any coach who got to ten wins in those circumstances. Not to mention back in his Miami days the season was only 12 games long.

 

[canesupremacy]

I dont know why some idiots compare 11 game seasons to now 12 game seasons, conference chanpionships. That is an extra 2 games to try to win. When 12 games started, everyone added a FCS game which is a guaranteed win almost. 10 game seasons now are less impressive than 9 win seasons then

 

[sabrose]

How many 10+ win seasons does Butch have in 10 years as a college coach?

How many does any of our other candidates have?

Fuente has 1, on his way to 2 in his 4th year.

Herman is on his way to 1 in his 1st year.

Chud has 0.

Schiano has 1.

Strong has 2.

Richt has 9.

Cristobal has 0.

Kiffin has 1.

Leach has 1.

How many of the above built the greatest college team of all time?How many were on a NCAA champion and super bowl winning staff? Chew on that before you write any more nonsense.

 

[King Slayer]

How many 10+ win seasons does Butch have in 10 years as a college coach?

How many does any of our other candidates have?

Fuente has 1, on his way to 2 in his 4th year.

Herman is on his way to 1 in his 1st year.

Chud has 0.

Schiano has 1.

Strong has 2.

Richt has 9.

Cristobal has 0.

Kiffin has 1.

Leach has 1.

How many of the above built the greatest college team of all time?How many were on a NCAA champion and super bowl winning staff? Chew on that before you write any more nonsense.

Jimmy built those great cowboy teams, how did it work with the Phins?

 

[deleted3746]

Butch is responsible for 30+ 1st rd picks in the NFL in 10 years as a college coach...with all that talent, he was able to win 10+ games once and go 15-17 in ACC games.

Moar nonsense!

 

[KevinCaneFace]

Butch is responsible for 30+ 1st rd picks in the NFL in 10 years as a college coach...with all that talent, he was able to win 10+ games once and go 15-17 in ACC games.

Moar nonsense!

3 conference championships, an undefeated bowl record at Miami, 3 nine win seasons, and a 51-20 overall record while losing 31 scholarships. All this happened in his first 6 seasons while being on REAL probation for four years. Not too shabby.

 

[TheMatador]

How many 10+ win seasons does Butch have in 10 years as a college coach?

Yeah but he gets credit for 4 of our five National titles and all of Unc's basketball titles .

He'd also gone 15-0 with a title if the suspensions didn't happen at unc.

By my count he's responsible for like 9 national titles

I'm amazed you know that. I thought I was the only who remembered that Howard Schnellenberger was channeliing a defensive assistant at Oklahoma State the year of our first NC. Even then, there was an uncanny, telepathic nature to Butch's immortal and supernatural ability to influence events, even at a great distance and somewhere that had no known connection.

 

[theibisrules]

Get this to Blake quickly.

LOL, exactly what will that puppet do?

Blake is a know nothing loser.

He has accomplished squat as an AD.

Not so fast...he fired Al's a$$ and that's enough for me

 

[poncho0091]

What's the excuse for Butch sucking at UNC?

Going 6-7 at Miami, Golden sucked. Going 8-5 at "basketball university" UNC with suspensions, Davis didn't suck.

And yet his successor is already eclipsing his win total this season at the very same "basketball university".

Oddly enough, the guy at the even nerdier basketball school in the same conference ALSO had more success. Strange.

his successor didn't take over a 3 win team.

 

[poncho0091]

What's the excuse for Butch sucking at UNC?

Going 6-7 at Miami, Golden sucked. Going 8-5 at "basketball university" UNC with suspensions, Davis didn't suck.

And yet his successor is already eclipsing his win total this season at the very same "basketball university".

Oddly enough, the guy at the even nerdier basketball school in the same conference ALSO had more success. Strange.

Do you or do you not belive that Butch Davis would not also be 8-1 at least if he was coaching against the schedule Fedora has so far? It's the weakest schedule UNC has had in a long time and if we had their schedule we'd probably be 8-1.

Was Butch in the SEC West when he was at UNC?

The difference is the Coastal was actually respectable when Butch was at UNC. VT was a consistent 10 win team, GT was a solid, but not great team, Miami had some talent, but poor coaching. He also played LSU the year of the suspensions and nearly beat them (with a no call on a blatant pass interference at the end of the game).

The Coastal is absolutely horrible right now. Duke, GT, and VT all suck right now, and we are basically in the same spot we were then, some talent, but no coaching. Fedora is playing one of the weakest schedule's I've seen in awhile. It really looks like an Al Golden special where he's going to get his 9 or 10 wins, but in reality it may have been a 7 win team.

 

[poncho0091]

How many 10+ win seasons does Butch have in 10 years as a college coach?

How many does any of our other candidates have?

Fuente has 1, on his way to 2 in his 4th year.

Herman is on his way to 1 in his 1st year.

Chud has 0.

Schiano has 1.

Strong has 2.

Richt has 9.

Cristobal has 0.

Kiffin has 1.

Leach has 1.

Of that entire list, have any of them even sniffed a title game? Butch should have been in one his last year here. We had the same record as FSU and beat them that year. Richt is the only one who was truly close.

 

[poncho0091]

Butch is responsible for 30+ 1st rd picks in the NFL in 10 years as a college coach...with all that talent, he was able to win 10+ games once and go 15-17 in ACC games.

Moar nonsense!

Your desperation to discredit Butch is sad as you completely ignore the fact that he was missing a third of his scholarships or that he took over a complete rebuild at UNC.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

How many 10+ win seasons does Butch have in 10 years as a college coach?

How many does any of our other candidates have?

Fuente has 1, on his way to 2 in his 4th year.

Herman is on his way to 1 in his 1st year.

Chud has 0.

Schiano has 1.

Strong has 2.

Richt has 9.

Cristobal has 0.

Kiffin has 1.

Leach has 1.

How many of the above built the greatest college team of all time?How many were on a NCAA champion and super bowl winning staff? Chew on that before you write any more nonsense.

This^^^^^

The amount of hate for Butch is astounding. The guy built the greatest college team ever through almost death penalty like sanctions and these ***kers wanna crucify him.

I'm with Archer. I almost wish all these idiots got their wish and we had another bad hire so I can see them all squirming and *****ing and complaining later on.

Only thing stopping me from wishing this is my love for the Canes and knowing that Butch is a real possibility.

The majority of you ninjas that are criticizing Butch couldn't find your way out of a circular room with one door in it.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Butch is responsible for 30+ 1st rd picks in the NFL in 10 years as a college coach...with all that talent, he was able to win 10+ games once and go 15-17 in ACC games.

Moar nonsense!

3 conference championships, an undefeated bowl record at Miami, 3 nine win seasons, and a 51-20 overall record while losing 31 scholarships. All this happened in his first 6 seasons while being on REAL probation for four years. Not too shabby.

This^^^^^

But who needs facts when revisionist history is so much more fun.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Butch is responsible for 30+ 1st rd picks in the NFL in 10 years as a college coach...with all that talent, he was able to win 10+ games once and go 15-17 in ACC games.

Moar nonsense!

Your desperation to discredit Butch is sad as you completely ignore the fact that he was missing a third of his scholarships or that he took over a complete rebuild at UNC.

The Butch haters don't want facts. They just hate the guy and that's enough for them.

I'm gonna bump all of these threads when Butch has us back on top and I'm gonna call out all of these narcissistic self-proclaimed geniuses.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Butch is coming! And ****'s coming with him!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

This is what I'll say about Butch at North Carolina because a whole lot of context is being ignored by his ridiculous bashers and a whole lot of fair criticism is being ignored by his out of control supporters.

Butch took over a North Carolina time that went 17-18 and 10-14 in the ACC under Carl Torbush and 27-45 and 18-30 in the ACC under John Bunting. The success that Mack Brown had built up after being there for 10 years was long gone. So Year 1 Butch went 4-8 and 3-5 in the ACC. How much better should he have done given what he took over? This isn't McElwain at Florida where a wealth of defensive talent and good offensive talent was left for him or Harbaugh at Michigan where he inherited exactly the defensive players he wanted and needed. That's about par for the course.

Year 2 Butch doubled up his wins and went 8-5 and 4-4 in the ACC. First bowl appearance since 2004 and first 8 win season since 2001. That's the proper improvement he should've shown.

Year 3 is the one I have no answer for and can't wrap my head around. That's the year he should've broken through and won 10 games and competed for the Coastal and he didn't really come close. A loss to 3-9 Virginia and 5-7 NC State at the stage of development is pretty much inexcusable. That's also the point where he should've wised and fired John Shoop. For a coach who has the claim to fame of having an elite eye for talent in coaching staff selections that's a pretty big miss who hadn't been good all three years at UNC. It was the first back-to-back 8 wins seasons at UNC since 1996-1997 and first back-to-back bowl appearances since the same years but he should've still accomplished more and not lost to Virginia, NC State, and maybe even the Pittsburgh at the end of the season.

Year 4 was littered with suspensions. UNC had the pre-season #1 rated defensive units at all three levels of the sport and were decimated. But even so with the suspensions, losing to 6-7 GT is still unacceptable. Having John Shoop two years too late is unacceptable when staff management is Butch's strength. It was the third 8 win season and third bowl game season in a row and that was the first time it had happened since 1992-1994 but even with the suspensions he should have achieved more than he did.

The Larry Fedora comparison is strange. Fedora took over a team ladened with all of Butch's talent that he gets credit for but didn't get to benefit from. How much did Butch exactly benefit from Eric Ebron? Sylvester Williams? Jonathan Cooper? Having all these players that are now excelling in the NFL now doesn't matter a whole lot when they're true freshmen. Fedora had them when they were NFL ready and went 8-4, 7-6, and 6-7 with that. But then Fedora went and did what Butch should've done with John Shoop. Fedora fires his defensive coordinator and hires a stud who made an immediate impact in Gene Chizik. I can't get over that Butch wouldn't do it. Fedora, an above average recruiter in his own right, is succeeding because of that when Butch didn't.

Butch has been and still is my first choice for the job. I think he could come back, stack talent, hire an excellent staff, and have the team clicking after the first year growing pains that everybody goes through when making a drastic style, scheme, and attitude change. That being said, his North Carolina record does give me pause. He should've achieved more than he did even taking into account the difficult situation he inherited. I've gone back and watched as many games as I can find from his North Carolina career and I saw some elite defensive scheming and game planning and just atrocious offensive with enough to talent to be aggressive. I saw some bad clock management and I saw some great half-time adjustments. I saw enough to not want to change my preference for him.

With that also being said, to just hand him the job after a lazy search is bordering on an insult. I don't want to just hire Butch without doing our due diligence. Call Patterson and Gundy. Make them say no. When they probably do, bring in Fuente, Herman, and Mullen and stack them head-to-head with Butch. Interview them all. If Butch is as great as I think he is and his supporters feel he is, then the comparison should lay to rest any fear that Butch isn't the right hire. If the result of the interview is that somebody just blows the interview away, then you go from there and have a hard decision to make. If they do rehire Butch, does he hire make a great evaluation of coaching talent and hire the DB coach of the Chicago Bears to be a great DC in Greg Schiano or does he hire a bad coach ala John Shoop? Assuming he brings in Dorsey as OC, does Butch give him the keys (which is his reputation) and let Dorsey be aggressive or does Dorsey turn out to be too green at the time to succeed early? That is the real grey area that makes this a troubling hire.

I want them to bring back Butch. I hope they do. Fans would turn out and money would go through the roof. It would be a leading story on ESPN. Other schools would be intimidated from the jump. We would land our South Florida kids with relative ease. It would be great football and I genuinely believe we would win and win big ala another potential dynasty. But I don't see any reason why the most important of these listed possibilities, winning and winning big, can't be achieved with Herman or Feunte or somebody else for that matter. The search should be as thorough and comprehensive as possible to make the best hire for the university and the program. I feel that's Butch but interviewing one candidate is an idiotic way to instill confidence and lay very legitimate and genuine fears to rest on the subject. If Butch is so much better than anybody else, then there's nothing to fear about interviewing everybody. He'll still end up being the selection. Let's do this right and go through everybody even if the opening leading candidate is the first interview out of 100. That's the right way and the best way to handle it.

Bring Back Butch.

 

[jerzeycane]

But but we're living in the past. LOL, these kids KNOW what Butch will bring them.

There are current recruiting targets who openly supported Golden including the top three offensive recruits that are either committed or we're still after. Don't pick and choose. Any kind of players recommendation should hold a very small glass of water.