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grover said:
Some are. Don’t you have those types of fans? Most on here think it’s going to be a dogfight. I personally feel we won the lottery by having you game one at home because no matter how good Carr might be later this season he will have an acclimation journey and will not be that effective this game. And Beck is senior and talented.
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Definitely have those type of fans. Some of them here have been pretty crazy, too. Acting like ND has no chance. I get that most Miami fans HATE ND, but control it a little, so you don't look totally foolish if you do somehow lose.
 
ND'93 said:
Definitely have those type of fans. Some of them here have been pretty crazy, too. Acting like ND has no chance. I get that most Miami fans HATE ND, but control it a little, so you don't look totally foolish if you do somehow lose.
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I don’t think fanatical fans give a **** how they look. They’re just having fun. No one in here takes himself too seriously or they don’t last long.
 
Out OL and Run game. Though I think ND has good LBs stopping the run takes both the DLs and LBs. Our OL is gonna do their job against their DL.
 
ND08Fan said:
I just don't see the big advantages Miami has. I'm actually really trying to see the other side. I think this Miami team is really good too. And I could very well be wrong, no doubt about that - I just see Notre Dame as more talented, more depth, and a better staff. Miami has some dudes, for sure, but top-to-bottom?

CJ could get intimidated by the atmosphere and could take on more risk than he should, but that's the only way I see ND losing this game.
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You would know your team’s strengths and weaknesses better than any of us. It’s been said by some of our fans that know football that this is Mario’s best team - maybe ever. I don’t think there’s any doubt we have a distinct advantage at QB. Other areas may be a wash. It’ll all come down to the line of scrimmage.
 
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ND'93 said:
3 up? Loll. Well, he actually had 163 carries for 1,125 yards, 17 TDs and 7 yards per carry. But keep believing your 3 up. Come on, you could have looked that up, too, instead of just throwing out random stats that you really have no idea about. And his backup, Jadarian Price, had 120 carries for 746 yards and, 7 TDs and 6.2 yards per carry. Just sayin'... Your complete and uninformed nonsense just needed a response.
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Either you don't know how to read or you have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader. I said if you take away his 50+ yard runs, which just like turnovers, are flukey, he averages about 3-4 YPC. The irony of you calling my comment out for being uninformed when it appears you must have had a stroke mid way through reading mine is hilarious. If you wanna talk stats did you know over 30% of his total yards from last year came from 5 rushes? Did you know he got completley shut down and stuffed in 1/4 of the regular season games ND played last year against inferior competition? Did you know he didn't have a single 100+ yard rushing game without having a 50+ yard rush? That to me doesn't scream "Best RB in CFB" but hey, what do I know. Apparently I dont even know how to look up basic stats. But at least I know how to ******* comprehend what I'm reading unlike you.
 
Braduhley said:
Because they're statistical outliers. Over 30% of his yards for the entire season come off of 5 runs. People acting like he's Ashton Jeanty, Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, etc. hes not. If he isn't hitting a 50+ yarder, he's just a good college back. He didn't have a singe 100+ yard rushing game last year without having a 50+ yard rush. It's like relying on your defense to get 2+ turnovers a game. Sure it's great when it happens, and sometimes it will. But it's not sustainable or consistent.
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100 yard games. Not exactly the 86 Bears

Army
Navy
Virginia
Purdue
Indiana
USC (99 yard game)
 
423Hurricane said:
You would know your team’s strengths and weaknesses better than any of us. It’s been said by some of our fans that know football that this is Mario’s best team - maybe ever. I don’t think there’s any doubt we have a distinct advantage at QB. Other areas may be a wash. It’ll all come down the the line of scrimmage.
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It's certainly his best team (top-to-bottom) at Miami. Ever? If there was more quality depth, I could see it. I think this is probably ND's best team since ... '93? Certainly since Holtz, which makes it a little frustrating we're trotting out a first-time starter.
 
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canes1977 said:
5 separate runs of over 64 yards in one season is a statistical outlier? That's adorable.

Do we do the same with Devin Hester? Lets take away his 5 longest returns in a season at Miami and use that updated average to determine what type of return-man he was. So ridiculous.
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How about 4 of his 5 100 yard games came against Army, Navy, Virginia, and Purdue. I’d argue he’s a very good back, a home run hitter. Take away the big play from him and he’s not going to do anything because he’s only gonna get the ball 10-15x a game.
 
ND08Fan said:
It's certainly his best team (top-to-bottom) at Miami. Ever? If there was more quality depth, I could see it. I think this is probably ND's best team since ... '93? Certainly since Holtz, which makes it a little frustrating we're trotting out a first-time starter.
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Mario’s teams at Oregon are being used for the comparison.
 
canes1977 said:
5 separate runs of over 64 yards in one season is a statistical outlier? That's adorable.

Do we do the same with Devin Hester? Lets take away his 5 longest returns in a season at Miami and use that updated average to determine what type of return-man he was. So ridiculous.
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I could tell you weren't very smart by the first analogy you tried to make but after that one you might actually be retarded. Do I need to give you a statistics crash course in a canes sports forum? 3% of his rushes accounting for over 30% of his total yards would be the LITERAL definition of a statistical outlier. How about him getting completely stuffed and shut down in 1/4th of NDs regular season games? How about him being unable to rush for over 100 yards without having a 48+ yard rush? Maybe that screams "Best RB in CFB" to people like you but to me all it says is he's a good college back, great even, but all he is is a home run hitter and when he doesn't manage to hit one, he's not any better than 50 other backs that are out in CFB.
 
Trav said:
Yea it's weird when people do that.
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The same reason I don't look at team stats against FCS schools. It skews stats. I'm not saying don't give him credit for them, he's definitely a home run hitter. But when 3% of his rushes account for over 30% of his total yards it skews his stats quite a bit. It's like relying on your defense to get you 2+ turnovers a game. Sure it could happen, its great when it does, but it's not going to happen every game.
 
Braduhley said:
Either you don't know how to read or you have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader. I said if you take away his 50+ yard runs, which just like turnovers, are flukey, he averages about 3-4 YPC. The irony of you calling my comment out for being uninformed when it appears you must have had a stroke mid way through reading mine is hilarious. If you wanna talk stats did you know over 30% of his total yards from last year came from 5 rushes? Did you know he got completley shut down and stuffed in 1/4 of the regular season games ND played last year against inferior competition? Did you know he didn't have a single 100+ yard rushing game without having a 50+ yard rush? That to me doesn't scream "Best RB in CFB" but hey, what do I know. Apparently I dont even know how to look up basic stats. But at least I know how to ******* comprehend what I'm reading unlike you.
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Again, this is being looked at in a vacuum, which is fine, but certainly doesn't tell the whole story. If you don't think he's the best back in the country, it doesn't matter. Frankly, it doesn't matter what either of us think.

I just know he's a preseason 1st team All-American, a projected 1st round pick (the only RB), the highest graded PFF RB returning to college, and every NFL scout loves him. He impacts the game significantly, whether he touches the ball or not, and requires significantly game planning from any defense (especially with his ability to be split our into the slot). I can promise you, Hetherman is spending more time on game planning for him than anyone else (non-QB), maybe the entire season.
 
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ND08Fan said:
Again, this is being looked at in a vacuum, which is fine, but certainly doesn't tell the whole story. If you don't think he's the best back in the country, it doesn't matter. Frankly, it doesn't matter what either of us think.

I just know he's a preseason 1st team All-American, a projected 1st round pick (the only RB), the highest graded PFF RB returning to college, and every NFL scout loves him. He impacts the game significantly, whether he touches the ball or not, and requires significantly game planning from any defense (especially with his ability to be split our into the slot). I can promise you, Hetherman is spending more time on game planning for him than anyone else (non-QB), maybe the entire season.
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I get that you need something to base expectations off of, but, you can look at Cam Ward (late round pick) and Carson Beck (first round pick) going into last year to see that they don’t mean much. Cam became the first overall pick and Beck had to return to college. Not that Love won’t be those things, but they hardly are a good predictor (especially PFF which is notoriously innacurate @DMoney). In fact, they are most likely to be inaccurate prognosticators, but the media has to publish something. That being said, Love will most likely be the best back we see this year.

Of course, with an inexperienced QB, we’ll be loading up the box and making Carr beat us. Can Love still be effective then? Doesn’t seem like he really did in that scenario last year. The other thing that doesn’t get talked about much is how much Leonard’s run threat benefitted Love. How good will he be without that threat of the QB keeping the ball and running?
 
Braduhley said:
I could tell you weren't very smart by the first analogy you tried to make but after that one you might actually be retarded. Do I need to give you a statistics crash course in a canes sports forum? 3% of his rushes accounting for over 30% of his total yards would be the LITERAL definition of a statistical outlier. How about him getting completely stuffed and shut down in 1/4th of NDs regular season games? How about him being unable to rush for over 100 yards without having a 48+ yard rush? Maybe that screams "Best RB in CFB" to people like you but to me all it says is he's a good college back, great even, but all he is is a home run hitter and when he doesn't manage to hit one, he's not any better than 50 other backs that are out in CFB.
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For all your wannabe math wizardry, you still can’t grasp the obvious: big plays are literally the reason elite backs separate from the pack. But hey, keep cosplaying as a bargain-bin statistician — it’s adorable watching you try so hard to look intelligent while proving the exact opposite.
 
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Braduhley said:
The same reason I don't look at team stats against FCS schools. It skews stats. I'm not saying don't give him credit for them, he's definitely a home run hitter. But when 3% of his rushes account for over 30% of his total yards it skews his stats quite a bit. It's like relying on your defense to get you 2+ turnovers a game. Sure it could happen, its great when it does, but it's not going to happen every game.
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Braduhley said:
Because they're statistical outliers. Over 30% of his yards for the entire season come off of 5 runs. People acting like he's Ashton Jeanty, Leonard Fournette, Dalvin Cook, etc. hes not. If he isn't hitting a 50+ yarder, he's just a good college back. He didn't have a singe 100+ yard rushing game last year without having a 50+ yard rush. It's like relying on your defense to get 2+ turnovers a game. Sure it's great when it happens, and sometimes it will. But it's not sustainable
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ND08Fan said:
I just don't see the big advantages Miami has. I'm actually really trying to see the other side. I think this Miami team is really good too. And I could very well be wrong, no doubt about that - I just see Notre Dame as more talented, more depth, and a better staff. Miami has some dudes, for sure, but top-to-bottom?

CJ could get intimidated by the atmosphere and could take on more risk than he should, but that's the only way I see ND losing this game.
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You are certainly one of the "good ones" when it comes to fans of opposing teams joining the boards for banter.

I think CJ Carr (or Minchey, if Carr gets pulled) has to have a good game for Notre Dame to win. That sounds obvious, but it's actually a tall order for a freshman making his first start on the road to play well. The running game can take some pressure off him, but I don't think it's likely that Notre Dame wins if it has to be one-dimensional on offense. That would put too much pressure on the defense to completely shut down Miami's offense- and in the end, I'm going to put stock in QB experience and record of success.
 
canes1977 said:
For all your wannabe math wizardry, you still can’t grasp the obvious: big plays are literally the reason elite backs separate from the pack. But hey, keep cosplaying as a bargain-bin statistician — it’s adorable watching you try so hard to look intelligent while proving the exact opposite.
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Calling someone out on intelligence when you don't know what a statistical outlier is?
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And if listing basic percentages that take literally 2 seconds to pull up is trying hard to be intelligent and "math wizardry" to you than you're only proving my point that you're dumb as ****.
 
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