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Can we win the Coastal with any of the 3 QB's?

OrangeBowlMagic said:
PAC12 south and Big 10 West are SO awful, and this division trumps it. What a god**** embarrassment the last decade+ has been. 6 different champs the last 6 years. These programs all suck so bad, and we can’t win this this more than once since 2005. Christ.

But the answer to your question should be yes. Miami should have the best defense in the division. Nobody has the skill talent we do on offense. Field a half-awake offensive line and don’t run Malik Rosier 2.0 out there and yes, this team should be in Charlotte. Virginia is a the preseason favorite (and probably should be). Tells you all you need to know.
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:ohlord: .... Those divisions are terrible, but the coastal still may be worse. Saying that...we should roll this year.
 
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Agreed. Seems like a team just happens to trip over themselves enough in the right direction that they win the Coastal. It’s past time for Miami to become the team who meets up with Clemson annually for ACC bragging rights. We have the coaching staff to finally do it, and more than 1 year too. I think Manolo fully understands this, and will be getting us to the ACCCG on a regular basis. That then should help recruiting, especially in So FL, and put us into a position of not only being ecstatic to be in the Championship game, but honestly challenge the Tigers for ACC supremacy. I want us to be the team that finally sends Dabo packing for Tuscaloosa.
 
Also UVA has to play FSU this year. UVA does have a bye week before they play us. The week before the bye they play at Notre Dame. They could have 3 losses by the time they play us bc they open at Pitt and FSU is their third game.
 
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brock said:
How can it be any worse than 51% completion percentage 2154 yards 19tds 14 ints. We are talking all time lows in Miami modern football era. From 2012-2017(6 seasons) Miami passed for 3000 yards or more. Last year was just an anomaly period and won’t happen again
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I'd feel better if I trusted our OL more and was confident that one of these three QBs will turn out to be a take charge leader, and consistently accurate on their throws. The rest of the UM picture is all good IMO.
 
hotshot said:
I disagree. If the QB play is no better than last season, we aren't likely to win the Division. Athlon has us #3 in the Coastal (behind UVa and VT) -- because they don't think we have our QB yet and they are betting this year will show that (8-4, 5-3). We'll see who's right soon enough!
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VT is a dumpster fire. We also did everything humanly possible to lose that game last year at UVA. They scored 16 points and we still lost. If we can’t beat both those teams at home with a new offense, we have some serious issues with this team.
 
hotshot said:
I'd feel better if I trusted our OL more and was confident that one of these three QBs will turn out to be a take charge leader, and consistently accurate on their throws. The rest of the UM picture is all good IMO.
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Miami is not lacking in talent at oline, there are multiple blue chip recruits in the starting lineup , just as it’s a new outlook for the the skill positions, same thing should be given to the oline. We don’t have a uga type of line where you can be simplistic and try to play smash mouth football and just out talent you . You have to put ALL of your players in the situation that gives them the best chance to win as that pertains to scheming, play calling , using motions, being unpredictable. Etc Richt didn’t understand and certainly didn’t do that
 
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CaneSwag1995 said:
If we can’t, Diaz is not the guy. We have more than enough talent to win the coastal, especially with a guy like Enos at the helm.
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brock said:
Facts, it’s as simple as that
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Not so fast, it's not as simple as that. I know QB gets all the attention but its not the only hole in our roster. The OL in as uncertain as any position group in memory. If they turn into mush, it doesn't matter how talented the skill positions are or if we have Peyton Manning as QB.

hotshot said:
I'd feel better if I trusted our OL more and was confident that one of these three QBs will turn out to be a take charge leader, and consistently accurate on their throws. The rest of the UM picture is all good IMO.
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I agree with the above. QB issues aside, I prefer to be cautiously optimistic. The fact that no one has separated as QB, leads me to believe they all improved, we can win with anyone of them. (If the alternative happened, that none improved, we would have clearly heard of it by now). If by hook or crook, the OL holds up against UF, then starts to gel over the course of the season, we're going to surprise people. But that's the biggest "if" for this team.
 
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Brock, thanks for the comment on the 2019 OL. Looking forward to seeing them open holes and pass pro against the Gators. A good trst, to say the least.

I should add that none of our National Championship teams of the 80s and 90s really had stellar OL units. A lot of mixing/matching. Yet, that sure didn't stop us from winning big with our first rate passing attack and good enough ground game.
 
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brock said:
Miami is not lacking in talent at oline, there are multiple blue chip recruits in the starting lineup , just as it’s a new outlook for the the skill positions, same thing should be given to the oline. We don’t have a uga type of line where you can be simplistic and try to play smash mouth football and just out talent you . You have to put ALL of your players in the situation that gives them the best chance to win as that pertains to scheming, play calling , using motions, being unpredictable etc
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We are lacking talent on the o-line.
 
Hemsleysalmons said:
Let’s summarize. One poster says if we can’t win Coastal then Diaz may not be who we think he is. Another poster says if we don’t win coastal then Enos may not be who we think it is. Typical responses by “entitled” Canes fans who pull trigger if THEY feel team, coaches and players not performing up to THEIR standards. How did Jimmy Johnson do in his first year hear?
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As someone who wasn’t even alive in 1984, let’s get something straight here about Jimmy Johnson’s first season at UM: that schedule was beyond insane. He wasn’t losing to the mediocre — and that’s being generous — coastal division opponents we’ll see this year.

Let’s dive deeper into 1984. We played 3 top 25 teams in 12 ******* days. Open up the year against #1 Auburn and Bo Jackson; then, five days later, you go play at a top 20 team in UF. You win both those games, but you don’t even get a breather because you have to go on the road to play a ranked Michigan team. A game we definitely dropped because we were emotionally and physically exhausted.

A couple weeks later, you get destroyed by a ranked FSU team, which there is no excuse for, but it’s still murderers row as far as scheduling is concerned.

To finish the season, you choke away a 38 point lead to a Maryland team that finishes the season in the top 15. And then, you lose the following week on a Hail Mary to a 10 win and #5 ranked Boston College team. You then play in tough bowl game against #10 ranked UCLA and drop a nail biter.

Even with all the close losses against (except FSU) very talented teams, you can boast that you beat a UF team that finished the season ranked #3 and an Auburn team that finished #14. We also beat a ranked Notre Dame team that year.

Now, take a look at the pathetic joke of a schedule we have this year. Diaz may see three ranked teams all year — if he’s lucky — so comparing it to Johnson’s 1984 season is apples to oranges. Again, I wasn’t alive at the time, so if the older guys on the board want to point out innacuracies or something I missed, I would appreciate it.
 
252cane said:
We are lacking talent on the o-line.
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I disagree, i mean I’m not comfortable with nelson at left tackle and was glad to hear scaife was working there still too but a group of these guys is a pretty talented unit. In terms of talent this would be our best since 2013 where we had at least 4 nfl draft picks starting(who all have started games in the league) in linder, Henderson, flowers, feliciano if it shakes out that way. Nothing is solidified yet. Throw in a guy like Nelson who may have upside at tackle but you can’t feel confident in him until you see it in the games. I know people can be down on Herbert for whatever reason but this kid is finally healthy now and in his 3rd year, let’s see what he can do at right tackle before we write that kid off

Lt DJ scaife
Lg Cleveland reed
C Corey gaynor
Rg navaughn donaldson
Rt Kai Leon Herbert
 
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Miami04 said:
Yes yes another QB thread.

All I care about is winning so I don't care who the QB is (cards on the table I did buy a #18 jersey so I wouldn't hate if it were Tate)

We will know a lot more after tonight's scrimmage but with this coaching staff and the talent everywhere else do you think we can win (more importantly will we win) the Coastal with any of the 3 guys trying to win the job?

I tend to think yes, but Kosi scares me because of how inaccurate he can be on simple throws. I do think this coaching staff is good enough to coach around deficiencies.
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We won the costal with Rosier
 
brock said:
I disagree, i mean I’m not comfortable with nelson at left tackle and was glad to hear scaife was working there still too but a group of these guys is a pretty talented unit. In terms of talent this would be our best since 2013 where we had at least 4 nfl draft picks starting(who all have started games in the league) in linder, Henderson, flowers, feliciano if it shakes out that way. Nothing is solidified yet. Throw in a guy like Nelson who may have upside at tackle but you can’t feel confident in him until you see it in the games. I know people can be down on Herbert for whatever reason but this kid is finally healthy now and in his 3rd year, let’s see what he can do at right tackle before we right that kid off

Lt DJ scaife
Lg Cleveland reed
C Corey gaynor
Rg navaughn donaldson
Rt Kai Leon Herbert
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Take a close look at that proposed line. The only one that's established at their position is Donaldson.
  • Scaife - still only a true sophomore, while he's talented, he's playing for the first time, out of position, at the most important line position against someone projected to go high in the draft. Not ideal.
  • Reed - redshirt freshman appearing in his first game
  • Gaynor - may have the right demeanor, but clearly not established yet. This is the year he has to make the jump up
  • Herbert - redshirt sophomore appearing in his first game.
I'm not writing anyone off, but that's an awful lot of ifs to have in one position group. A lot of things have to happen right. They're going to have to grow up fast.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
Take a close look at that proposed line. The only one that's established at their position is Donaldson.
  • Scaife - still only a true sophomore, while he's talented, he's playing for the first time, out of position, at the most important line position against someone projected to go high in the draft. Not ideal.
  • Reed - redshirt freshman appearing in his first game
  • Gaynor - may have the right demeanor, but clearly not established yet. This is the year he has to make the jump up
  • Herbert - redshirt sophomore appearing in his first game.
I'm not writing anyone off, but that's an awful lot of ifs to have in one position group. A lot of things have to happen right. They're going to have to grow up fast.
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Dj Scaife is not playing for the first time. He started 7 games last year. Plus I said That we potentially have a talented oline not that they are largely experienced
 
brock said:
Dj Scaife is not playing for the first time. He started 7 games last year. Plus I said That we potentially have a talented oline not that they are largely experienced
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I should have been more clear. I was referring to him playing for the first time at left tackle in your line up. Also, my point is despite the raw potential, there's too many moving parts, too many things that have to go right, to feel comfortable. IMO, this is the biggest question mark on the team impacting all other position groups on the entire offense and as we saw last year, indirectly on the whole team.
 
so much depends on Oline as well as new S&C coach.... we have not been dominate upfront for over 15 years.
hope Williams or Martell wins job just do not trust Perry......
 
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