Can we comment on Pete and D$ debate on today’s show?

[rsa coral gables]

look like five starts from their appearance or their actual on-the-field work/production? i ask because i'm pretty tired of people LOOKING the part but not BEING the part.

@DMoney respectfully asking for your opinion here

 

[Ironmanfootball]

I think both had some good points. We may not be where we want to be from a physical prowess standpoint on the dline but like d was saying we have recruited five stars. So a lot is riding on young guys but I think they are a step up from where we have been talent and physicality wise in recent history. Last year against UF our starting dtackles were Mesidor and Barrow. Two undersized guys. Now it’s likely going to be Scott and Moten who are much more physically where you want it to be. It goes beyond that but I would say both guys had good points.

D$ values high school hero stories more than Joe DePugh.

 

[DMoney]

@DMoney respectfully asking for your opinion here

We'll see. They look good in practice.

 

[Fox305]

We'll see. They look good in practice.

The assessment from both were correct in its own unique way.

“Eye-test”, we look far better now than we have probably since 2004. Body compositions/physical presence when guys step off the bus.

Yet, compared to let’s say UGA’s DLINE from let’s say 2022-last year , our guys are slightly not as imposing.

The biggest parameter is can our young guys like Blount with the 5-star pedigree/youth become every down game wreckers at the ACC level?

Answer to that will tell how the season goes. Our guys SHOULD be able to wreck 90% of the OL they’ll face this season. Only ND presents a test physically that our maybe can’t pass with flying colors.

If that’s true, even if Pete’s assessment is 100%, it shouldn’t matter. We have enough in the chamber to be able to be dominant in games we SHOULD be dominant in.

I think roster isn’t an issue anymore defensively, the season/production will fall on the coaches and how they scheme up the guys who will be in the game for Miami.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I love a good debate, but Pete was contradicting himself that entire segment. He kept reiterating how it doesn’t “look” the way it should in every position group and when D$ brought up Blount, Lowe, and Scott he said well they are young so that really doesn’t count. The argument wasn’t production, it was how the body types look. Those three have the body types you want for an elite program

If Pete said that he’s not wrong. But if those youngins perform then that changes that. Cause I remember in 2010 they said “we look good off the bus” but a lot of those dudes were jags. You can be a big jag pause. That’s entirely possible to be big and just a regular *** player…..you need big and explosive for any particular position group.

WR and TE don’t have that and that’s not a false statement by Pete. Two people can be right. If super teams are dead then it won’t matter but I think OSU still has a super team right now and possibly UGA and Texas. Let’s wait to see if super teams are dead before thinking they are dead

 

[Empirical Cane]

Pete was right, but both were conflating results vs size which is what D was arguing.

Size wise we look better at most positions ol, rb, de, db, lb.

Last year we missed production all over the Defense. LBs got burnt and out and looked out place, but physically they look like they belong. Same story with DBs; they were a disaster but they look "better". DEs definitely look good but did not produce. Also, Bain can be all world but he's not a BIG end. DT hasn't looked the part but Burrow produced.

Offensively, RB has been massively improved from a looks perspective. WR this year looks worse than last. TE is worse looking even if Lofton produces what is being advertised. OL is improved in size and production from the previous regime. But looks the same as last year.

Well, so long as everyone "looked" better, that's what is important.

***** winning.

 

[Empirical Cane]

We were conflating too much between body types and talent and I didn’t rein it in. But I loved the energy from El Pete.

Overall, this is the most balanced roster we’ve had and there is a sense of internal confidence now that Beck looks healthy. A lot of motivated players and a nice mix of experience and highly touted young talent.

In terms of body types, I think we look better across the board on defense. I hear what @JayCane20 is saying that we have a few tweeners, but Scott/Blay/Moten are true DTs and Bain/Mesidor have enough pass rush outside at the college level. They’re also strong against the run. Blount and Lowe look like five stars.

Errrbody betta start playing like they look.

 

[kyle_schick]

Agree with Pete because I've been saying it for so long... we recruit far too many tweeners, especially on the DL. Too many DE's bodies that we want to grow into playing DT and LBs that play on the edge and guys playing on the edge that are too big or too small.

Mesidor, Bain, Blount, Bryant, Newton, Pickett, Lightfoot, Rudolph, Russell, etc. Add in Moss as a similar type of player already gone. They thought they could get Anthony Campbell to fill out into a DT.

I'm not saying those guys are bad players or anything but we've got to limit the number of those guys we take. I'd rather stick to guys like Lowe, McConathy, Simpson, Moten, Scott, etc. that you know exactly where they're going to play and they have the frame for it. Then, take a guy like Lightfoot here and there and see if he grows into it. Can't take 3 of the same player in the same class. Rudolph already got processed and it needs to be quick like that because you can tell if its going to work or not very quickly with those types.

Mesidor, Bain, and Blount are very similar players and I don't care how good they are or you think they are, 2 of the 3 or all 3 on the field at the same time with 2 of them on the edge is going to get exposed quick. They're not fast enough to cover that much ground when teams choose not to block them intentionally and just outrun them to the field side and the blocker moves up to the 2nd level. I guarantee big plays pop because of that alignment if they choose to try it. They should never be on opposite DE spots at the same time. 1 at 3T and 1 at DE? Go ahead. But we have so many tweeners it will be hard to avoid.

Myself and others have been saying this for a while now, but the masses don't want to hear it.

 

[NCCanefan]

Pete was 100% correct and he nailed the 'state media' comment. It's about time someone delivers some hard truth on a Canes show.

Too much propaganda with all the BS homerism. Every year since Shannon we've heard 'this year is different' yet we see the same crap on the field. The only reason last year wasn't another 8-4 trash season was because of Cam Ward. That dude covered up so many flaws on the team.

This team in 2025 looks like a prettier 9-3/8-4 team if you ask me. Don't tell me about the weak ACC because we **** the bed every year and have made ONE conf title game since we joined the conference (zero with Mario).

You could make a lot of $ betting the Canes under the Vegas line of 9.5 wins