Butch History

[clg003]

Keep slurping. We need a coach not a recruiter and Butch will never NEVER be offered the job so stfu already about Butch

Butch wasnt known for being a good recruiter. He was the best talent evaluator. There is a difference. Golden is a good recruiter. Butch would put together classes that did not rank well in the recruiting rankings but it was full of guys who no one else wanted yet were home run hitters all day long. Thats how you build depth. Tracy Howard would never have been on a Butch team and all these Miami dudes that no one wanted that go on and have big careers at other schools would be at Miami. I would take a 25th ranked Butch class over a top 5 Golden class any day of the week.

Until you talk to some of our former Pro Bowlers. They've said when he came and talked to them, he convinced you that he really needed you. That the team really needed you, and that with you, they would do bigger and greater things.

Thing is, Butch Davis wasn't bull********.

But the perception to the public was that he was a better talent evaluator than recruiter. That's because he was down 31 scholarships, and couldn't compete with teams able to recruit full rosters - so he had to be very, very careful in each and every selection.

This mindset is why he'd dominate here at the U. He's already learned the lessons, seen them proven, and wants in the game.

Any BOT member that questions Butch - he's got the paperwork. He was clean.

Just a scapegoat for UNC.

Tell me what his recruiting classes ranked while at UM and UNC?

A good recruiter goes into the home of a kid who has offers from and the coaches on their everyday jocks from Alabama, FSU, Ohio State and Florida and convinces them to come to the U. That leaves them a with a top ranked class year in and year out. Which Butch did not have.

Butch was going into the homes of guys like Portis who only had a Miss State offer and was ignored by Florida and Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne who had squat for offers and gets a guy from JC in Shockey that no one wanted and then some dude named Ed Reed who only had a Tulane and a Grambling State offer and gets them to come to the U. It don't take much to get those guys to come to the U in those circumstances. Not saying Butch doesnt talk em up and make em feel invincible but its the difference between a talent evaluator and a recruiter.

I know its hard to distinguish the difference but those guys all turn out to be Pro bowler or even Hall of Famers but that doesn't mean that their was big recruiting battles for them.

Any coach is going to have a top 25 class at Miami but how much talent is in those classes can only be seen on the field. So many people want to blame coaches for situations like Howard but the truth is many kids peek in high school and a good talent evaluator finds kids whose ceiling still have a ways to go.

 

[Gatorhater]

Keep slurping. We need a coach not a recruiter and Butch will never NEVER be offered the job so stfu already about Butch

Butch wasnt known for being a good recruiter. He was the best talent evaluator. There is a difference. Golden is a good recruiter. Butch would put together classes that did not rank well in the recruiting rankings but it was full of guys who no one else wanted yet were home run hitters all day long. Thats how you build depth. Tracy Howard would never have been on a Butch team and all these Miami dudes that no one wanted that go on and have big careers at other schools would be at Miami. I would take a 25th ranked Butch class over a top 5 Golden class any day of the week.

Also WTF is the slurper comment? How is an honest evaluation of Butch Davis a slurper comment or are you so full of dementia that you really don't know the difference anymore. I can see it now. Cops pull me over.. FN slurpers. Boss fires me... FN slurper... Wife leaves me.. FN Slurper.

Get a grip homie. There is more to this board that constantly beating the dead horse over and over again. The dude is gone and you need to get brain back in gear and try to keep the OCD at bay for the rest of your life's interactions. I lietraaly think you just walk around saying "fire golden", "fire golden", "fire golden" all day long in a beavis voice.

That is true. Butch, even under JJ, never really had top ranked classes. But his recruits won 4 of our 5 NCs and that is the ranking that matters. He will recruit Miami players not ranked recruits. We will return to speed kills. Our old defense is exactly what is needed to send the modern options and tempo offenses to their graves. I realize there is a great chance BOT will not hire Butch as HC, BUT Greg or Chud could bring him in as DC and recruiting Czar and all would be fine. If can get away with his boyfriend staying on as DC, then certainly the new HC can have the builder of Champions as DC.

 

[capefearcane]

The "minder" needs to keep an eye on Butch --- you said it, we will always be a target - so you DONT hire a guy that "had to be cleared" in his last job

Potato

Potato? I guess that would make you an ostrich? Stuck in the sands of 2001, I would venture most power 5 schools are probably doing something like this or have already instituted similar structures. There's too much money involved not to.

 

[Klamalama]

The "minder" needs to keep an eye on Butch --- you said it, we will always be a target - so you DONT hire a guy that "had to be cleared" in his last job

Potato

Potato? I guess that would make you an ostrich? Stuck in the sands of 2001, I would venture most power 5 schools are probably doing something like this or have already instituted similar structures. There's too much money involved not to.

One potato, two potato.

Now waiting to hear from 3 potato, 4.

 

[nycane]

is Strong got fired, he might be a good DC.

 

[clg003]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counters it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. The internet doesn't discriminate every special needs class has kids on computers all day long. View attachment 32272....

 

[Klamalama]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counter it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. View attachment 32272....

OMG, yet another potato. There are many threads that have vigorously stated Butch's impeccable qualifications. Read 9 or 10 of them. Then come back.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counters it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. The internet doesn't discriminate every special needs class has kids on computers all day long. View attachment 32272....

What you fail to understand through your haze of retardation is that all of the points that you made have been refuted w/citation time and time again on this site. You aren't coming with anything groundbreaking or new. You aren't even coming with valid arguments.

In case you just skipped over the last paragraph. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP IN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN REFUTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN W/CITATION.


So please stop trying to come across as some kind of menstrual member.

 

[jkaz1]

Butch?

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

 

[clg003]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counters it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. The internet doesn't discriminate every special needs class has kids on computers all day long. View attachment 32272....

What you fail to understand through your haze of retardation is that all of the points that you made have been refuted w/citation time and time again on this site. You aren't coming with anything groundbreaking or new. You aren't even coming with valid arguments.

In case you just skipped over the last paragraph. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP IN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN REFUTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN W/CITATION.


So please stop trying to come across as some kind of menstrual member.

Exactly another completely nonsensical post that adds no value to anything other than to point out how pathetic you are....

This site has 90% of its threads dedicated to fire Al golden of which you participate in every single one of them but some how your logical break thru for the day is to stop regurgitating information.

The fact that you read this post when it clearly says what its about says it all. coupled with the fact that you have also started your own posts about Butch as well is embarrassing.

What are you the clutter police for this board or something?

Why dont you get a life and not read posts that are boring you when they clearly state what they are for.

People are posting comments and having a discussion but somehow that bothers you?

FCKN Completely pathetic you FCKN loser.

 

[clg003]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counter it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. View attachment 32272....

OMG, yet another potato. There are many threads that have vigorously stated Butch's impeccable qualifications. Read 9 or 10 of them. Then come back.

Yet here you are reading one more to do nothing more than ridicule people. WTF the does that say about your miserable ***?

Maybe your not aware of this but you do know these threads have titles and you choose what you click on, right? Also there is no limit to the threads you can start. If you dont like the title then stay the FCK out. You moron.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Keep slurping. We need a coach not a recruiter and Butch will never NEVER be offered the job so stfu already about Butch

Butch wasnt known for being a good recruiter. He was the best talent evaluator. There is a difference. Golden is a good recruiter. Butch would put together classes that did not rank well in the recruiting rankings but it was full of guys who no one else wanted yet were home run hitters all day long. Thats how you build depth. Tracy Howard would never have been on a Butch team and all these Miami dudes that no one wanted that go on and have big careers at other schools would be at Miami. I would take a 25th ranked Butch class over a top 5 Golden class any day of the week.

Until you talk to some of our former Pro Bowlers. They've said when he came and talked to them, he convinced you that he really needed you. That the team really needed you, and that with you, they would do bigger and greater things.

Thing is, Butch Davis wasn't bull********.

But the perception to the public was that he was a better talent evaluator than recruiter. That's because he was down 31 scholarships, and couldn't compete with teams able to recruit full rosters - so he had to be very, very careful in each and every selection.

This mindset is why he'd dominate here at the U. He's already learned the lessons, seen them proven, and wants in the game.

Any BOT member that questions Butch - he's got the paperwork. He was clean.

Just a scapegoat for UNC.

Tell me what his recruiting classes ranked while at UM and UNC?

A good recruiter goes into the home of a kid who has offers from and the coaches on their everyday jocks from Alabama, FSU, Ohio State and Florida and convinces them to come to the U. That leaves them a with a top ranked class year in and year out. Which Butch did not have.

Butch was going into the homes of guys like Portis who only had a Miss State offer and was ignored by Florida and Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne who had squat for offers and gets a guy from JC in Shockey that no one wanted and then some dude named Ed Reed who only had a Tulane and a Grambling State offer and gets them to come to the U. It don't take much to get those guys to come to the U in those circumstances. Not saying Butch doesnt talk em up and make em feel invincible but its the difference between a talent evaluator and a recruiter.

I know its hard to distinguish the difference but those guys all turn out to be Pro bowler or even Hall of Famers but that doesn't mean that their was big recruiting battles for them.

Any coach is going to have a top 25 class at Miami but how much talent is in those classes can only be seen on the field. So many people want to blame coaches for situations like Howard but the truth is many kids peek in high school and a good talent evaluator finds kids whose ceiling still have a ways to go.

Hey! Dumba$$!

There's a ****load more to recruiting than just going after stars. Clappy did that, recruited high classes, and they fell flat on their a$$es.

When I speak of Butch being a top recruiter - that means he's able to pretty much get who he goes after.

He elects to NOT go after stars. He elects to go after talent.

****. People dumb.

Go back to your Playstation.

You're looking, but you're not seeing.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counters it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. The internet doesn't discriminate every special needs class has kids on computers all day long. View attachment 32272....

What you fail to understand through your haze of retardation is that all of the points that you made have been refuted w/citation time and time again on this site. You aren't coming with anything groundbreaking or new. You aren't even coming with valid arguments.

In case you just skipped over the last paragraph. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP IN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN REFUTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN W/CITATION.


So please stop trying to come across as some kind of menstrual member.

Exactly another completely nonsensical post that adds no value to anything other than to point out how pathetic you are....

This site has 90% of its threads dedicated to fire Al golden of which you participate in every single one of them but some how your logical break thru for the day is to stop regurgitating information.

The fact that you read this post when it clearly says what its about says it all. coupled with the fact that you have also started your own posts about Butch as well is embarrassing.

What are you the clutter police for this board or something?

Why dont you get a life and not read posts that are boring you when they clearly state what they are for.

People are posting comments and having a discussion but somehow that bothers you?

FCKN Completely pathetic you FCKN loser.

I touched you? #fullrustle

 

[clg003]

Keep slurping. We need a coach not a recruiter and Butch will never NEVER be offered the job so stfu already about Butch

Butch wasnt known for being a good recruiter. He was the best talent evaluator. There is a difference. Golden is a good recruiter. Butch would put together classes that did not rank well in the recruiting rankings but it was full of guys who no one else wanted yet were home run hitters all day long. Thats how you build depth. Tracy Howard would never have been on a Butch team and all these Miami dudes that no one wanted that go on and have big careers at other schools would be at Miami. I would take a 25th ranked Butch class over a top 5 Golden class any day of the week.

Until you talk to some of our former Pro Bowlers. They've said when he came and talked to them, he convinced you that he really needed you. That the team really needed you, and that with you, they would do bigger and greater things.

Thing is, Butch Davis wasn't bull********.

But the perception to the public was that he was a better talent evaluator than recruiter. That's because he was down 31 scholarships, and couldn't compete with teams able to recruit full rosters - so he had to be very, very careful in each and every selection.

This mindset is why he'd dominate here at the U. He's already learned the lessons, seen them proven, and wants in the game.

Any BOT member that questions Butch - he's got the paperwork. He was clean.

Just a scapegoat for UNC.

Tell me what his recruiting classes ranked while at UM and UNC?

A good recruiter goes into the home of a kid who has offers from and the coaches on their everyday jocks from Alabama, FSU, Ohio State and Florida and convinces them to come to the U. That leaves them a with a top ranked class year in and year out. Which Butch did not have.

Butch was going into the homes of guys like Portis who only had a Miss State offer and was ignored by Florida and Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne who had squat for offers and gets a guy from JC in Shockey that no one wanted and then some dude named Ed Reed who only had a Tulane and a Grambling State offer and gets them to come to the U. It don't take much to get those guys to come to the U in those circumstances. Not saying Butch doesnt talk em up and make em feel invincible but its the difference between a talent evaluator and a recruiter.

I know its hard to distinguish the difference but those guys all turn out to be Pro bowler or even Hall of Famers but that doesn't mean that their was big recruiting battles for them.

Any coach is going to have a top 25 class at Miami but how much talent is in those classes can only be seen on the field. So many people want to blame coaches for situations like Howard but the truth is many kids peek in high school and a good talent evaluator finds kids whose ceiling still have a ways to go.

Hey! Dumba$$!

There's a ****load more to recruiting than just going after stars. Clappy did that, recruited high classes, and they fell flat on their a$$es.

When I speak of Butch being a top recruiter - that means he's able to pretty much get who he goes after.

He elects to NOT go after stars. He elects to go after talent.

****. People dumb.

Go back to your Playstation.

You're looking, but you're not seeing.

So your saying while he was at UNC he got everyone he wanted? LOL and I am the dumb ***. I also didn't say he was a bad recruiter. But way to spit hairs to get your shot in.

and he elects to not go after anyone with stars... lol.. does he walk on water to. if you really believe that then maybe that's why is his unemployed.

So many miserable fcks on this board.

 

[clg003]

Your village called. They want their idiot back.

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Dude, seriously you must be 12, a crack head or just mentally challenge. In either case i feel bad to point out that while you call me an idiot your post are mostly nonsensical and add nothing to any conversation. Nothing I said wasn't true. yet you think a dude that's been unemployed for the last 5 years is just got be our next coach. No facts, no basis for reason, no explanation, you just read it from some other dude that doesn't have clue and you run with it and bash any other intelligent thought that counters it. just keep sucking on the bolo homie. The internet doesn't discriminate every special needs class has kids on computers all day long. View attachment 32272....

What you fail to understand through your haze of retardation is that all of the points that you made have been refuted w/citation time and time again on this site. You aren't coming with anything groundbreaking or new. You aren't even coming with valid arguments.

In case you just skipped over the last paragraph. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP IN THIS THREAD HAS BEEN REFUTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN W/CITATION.


So please stop trying to come across as some kind of menstrual member.

Exactly another completely nonsensical post that adds no value to anything other than to point out how pathetic you are....

This site has 90% of its threads dedicated to fire Al golden of which you participate in every single one of them but some how your logical break thru for the day is to stop regurgitating information.

The fact that you read this post when it clearly says what its about says it all. coupled with the fact that you have also started your own posts about Butch as well is embarrassing.

What are you the clutter police for this board or something?

Why dont you get a life and not read posts that are boring you when they clearly state what they are for.

People are posting comments and having a discussion but somehow that bothers you?

FCKN Completely pathetic you FCKN loser.

I touched you? #fullrustle

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Exactly... another 12 yr old. comment and thats giving you a few because thats about when normal humans stop getting off on touching people.

BTW from that comment I know now your life is a total shambles and you have no friends. But dude put down the razor blades... you can learn to function and have a normal life like the rest of us. You just need to stop being so jealous of everyone else and start putting in some hard work player. Keep your head up man and don't be afraid to ask for help.

Just be like your boy Cruise and stay focused on the positives.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Butch wasnt known for being a good recruiter. He was the best talent evaluator. There is a difference. Golden is a good recruiter. Butch would put together classes that did not rank well in the recruiting rankings but it was full of guys who no one else wanted yet were home run hitters all day long. Thats how you build depth. Tracy Howard would never have been on a Butch team and all these Miami dudes that no one wanted that go on and have big careers at other schools would be at Miami. I would take a 25th ranked Butch class over a top 5 Golden class any day of the week.

Until you talk to some of our former Pro Bowlers. They've said when he came and talked to them, he convinced you that he really needed you. That the team really needed you, and that with you, they would do bigger and greater things.

Thing is, Butch Davis wasn't bull********.

But the perception to the public was that he was a better talent evaluator than recruiter. That's because he was down 31 scholarships, and couldn't compete with teams able to recruit full rosters - so he had to be very, very careful in each and every selection.

This mindset is why he'd dominate here at the U. He's already learned the lessons, seen them proven, and wants in the game.

Any BOT member that questions Butch - he's got the paperwork. He was clean.

Just a scapegoat for UNC.

Tell me what his recruiting classes ranked while at UM and UNC?

A good recruiter goes into the home of a kid who has offers from and the coaches on their everyday jocks from Alabama, FSU, Ohio State and Florida and convinces them to come to the U. That leaves them a with a top ranked class year in and year out. Which Butch did not have.

Butch was going into the homes of guys like Portis who only had a Miss State offer and was ignored by Florida and Santana Moss and Reggie Wayne who had squat for offers and gets a guy from JC in Shockey that no one wanted and then some dude named Ed Reed who only had a Tulane and a Grambling State offer and gets them to come to the U. It don't take much to get those guys to come to the U in those circumstances. Not saying Butch doesnt talk em up and make em feel invincible but its the difference between a talent evaluator and a recruiter.

I know its hard to distinguish the difference but those guys all turn out to be Pro bowler or even Hall of Famers but that doesn't mean that their was big recruiting battles for them.

Any coach is going to have a top 25 class at Miami but how much talent is in those classes can only be seen on the field. So many people want to blame coaches for situations like Howard but the truth is many kids peek in high school and a good talent evaluator finds kids whose ceiling still have a ways to go.

Hey! Dumba$$!

There's a ****load more to recruiting than just going after stars. Clappy did that, recruited high classes, and they fell flat on their a$$es.

When I speak of Butch being a top recruiter - that means he's able to pretty much get who he goes after.

He elects to NOT go after stars. He elects to go after talent.

****. People dumb.

Go back to your Playstation.

You're looking, but you're not seeing.

So your saying while he was at UNC he got everyone he wanted? LOL and I am the dumb ***. I also didn't say he was a bad recruiter. But way to spit hairs to get your shot in.

and he elects to not go after anyone with stars... lol.. does he walk on water to. if you really believe that then maybe that's why is his unemployed.

So many miserable fcks on this board.

Yeah, and you're leading the hit parade.


Guys? Who is this ******? Just showed up, don't know ****, gets all ****y because he's a dumba$$, and THEN can't STFU!

 

[Ssoto0055]

I want Butch. He can turn the program around in a heartbeat and groom some coaches to take over when he retires in the next 6 or 7 years, but I also know this admin won't go for Butch.

It's been 15 years. I don't understand why people hold grudges for that long. Why don't both sides meet, air out their grievances and figure it out. The reality is for what we're willing to pay Butch will be our best option.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

To those who bring up Butch not getting hired for any coaching jobs since he was scapegoated at UNC, how many vacancies has he actively pursued since he was fired? I am curious to know, because I do not recall hearing much about him going after many other jobs, not even at a lower level school, where I'm pretty sure he could easily be hired. If I am wrong then let me know.

 

[poncho0091]

Listen there is no doubt Butch is the best talent elevator ever and could do great things at Miami.

Butch proved that in Miami you dont need to be a great game day coach if you can get the kids that matter and there is no other place in the world that has as many top notch D1 players as they do in the Miami area. That is without a doubt the one huge advantage that Miami has over every single other program in the world.

That's the blueprint every coach should follow and the next three coaches basically had no eye for talent whatsoever.

Butch did the same thing at UNC but without the regional advantage he could never build the depth.

I always laugh when people say Golden had 7 legit pro players last year and couldn't win. Butch would have 7 legit pro players that no one recruited and twice as many other legit pro players that people did recruit hard. Butch would have more first rounders than Golden had NFLers.

Wihtout any other considerations Butch would be the perfect fit to bring Miami back. I would be willing to deal with his vanilla Xs and Os because in Miami that can work. His depth made Miami practices the best place on earth to get better. If you wanted to start at Miami you had to walk thru a mine field every day in practice so by game time it was easy. Butch teams played mean as **** and they abused their opponents.

Butch was fired in 2011 and he has been looking for a head gig ever since he was fired. Butch would also come in on the cheap. So whats the problem? Many people on this board say nothing but two things. "Fire Golden" and "Hire Butch" But do they ever ask themselves what the problem is?

When Butch left Miami he left a lot of people ****ed off. Many of our boosters still remember that and they still hold a grudge against him.
ESPN.com: GEN - Davis' lies undo years of hard work at UM

Also while Butch was not directly linked to the NCAA scandal by the NCAA it is clear in the court of public opinion that he did nothing to avoid it.

One of their biggest faults was that UNC was not forthcoming during the investigation. The school knows more than the NCAA does. Butch was fired and Williams was not.

Former players have come out and stated that Butch did know and didn't care and one of those very same players told the media that not only did Butch know he told them that if they came to UNC for academics then they should have gone to Harvard. Butch Davis himself does not deny making that statement in fact he admits it.

Miami's administration is about as gun shy as any other administration in the country and they are **** bent on selling Miami to the world as an academic institution.

That makes Butch Davis about as unlikely as a candidate for this job as any other candidate in the world.

2 biggest fails of this post.

-You say he proved he was not the best gameday coach, while ignoring the fact that this was his first full HC gig and he was here most of the time recovering from sanctions.

-You say he had no depth, but forget that with half of his starters suspended (many of which were projected early round draft picks and a few 1st rounders) he took LSU to the wire with his backups (many of which were also NFL talent)

I don't disagree with most of the rest, but you really missed on those 2 points.

 

[Rellyrell]

Something tells me that Butch may get another shot...The BOT is now coming under pressure as well. Honestly, I truly, truly feel that if not for the ridiculous buy-out from last yr, Golden would've been fired. No more Shalala, plus national scrutiny, along w saving $ to hire the new coach after Golden's buyout, could bode well for Butch.

The pressure has to be kept on, though. More planes...we're now being talked about nationally. More planes calling out the BOT to hire Butch. We're almost home...