Butch Davis yesterday revealed his main recruiting secret

[supacane]

I doubt its that simple. If a **** slow AF , he slow AF. Bow if its two talented players then that may tip the scale.

 

[Torocane]

I doubt its that simple. If a **** slow AF , he slow AF. Bow if its two talented players then that may tip the scale.

Some common sense should apply.

 

[HurricaneVision]

It's the same thing in any profession. You have to have the KSA's (Knowledge, Skills, Abilities) for the role you're recruiting too.

Problem that so many coaches fall into is they forget they are the ones deciding who gets recruited. Too many kids think it's their right to be recruited and have the coaches promise and hand them things.

If I have two candidates, one has the great resume and excellent experience but they don't have a reason they want the job other than "it's the first stepping stone" or it's a way "to get their foot in the door" and the other one has a lesser resume and is probably not quite the current prospect, but has a true passion and drive for the position I'm hiring for and fits the culture of my team, I'm going to hire them.

I've fallen for the great resume without passion for the position before and it almost always ends in disaster.

The same things apply for recruiting...you have to understand it is what they are going to be and not what they are. When I was an undergrad, my alma mater had the greatest female basketball player ever on their team. She was 5 foot nothing and not especially explosive. What she did have was a work ethic that is unparalleled by anyone I've ever met. In fact, she worked so much she wore the bones out in her feet after she was rookie of the year in the WNBA.

We'd be walking home from the bars and walk past the arena only to hear a ball bouncing in the gym. She gave up everything else to be great.

Now ask yourselves how many of those types have we had on our Canes teams over the past decade? Way too few.

 

[The Franchise]

I doubt its that simple. If a **** slow AF , he slow AF. Bow if its two talented players then that may tip the scale.

Don't flood this thread with stupidity, friend. Why the fck would Butch Davis be recruiting a "**** slow AF"? There's a baseline of athleticism we're talking about here, son. Dummy the fck up.

 

[supacane]

I doubt its that simple. If a **** slow AF , he slow AF. Bow if its two talented players then that may tip the scale.

Don't flood this thread with stupidity, friend. Why the fck would Butch Davis be recruiting a "**** slow AF"? There's a baseline of athleticism we're talking about here, son. Dummy the fck up.

U flood the atmosphere with stupidity on daily basis.

 

[The Franchise]

I doubt its that simple. If a **** slow AF , he slow AF. Bow if its two talented players then that may tip the scale.

Don't flood this thread with stupidity, friend. Why the fck would Butch Davis be recruiting a "**** slow AF"? There's a baseline of athleticism we're talking about here, son. Dummy the fck up.

U flood the atmosphere with stupidity on daily basis.

I flood your mammy's face with baby batter on a daily basis.

But let's not share any more harsh words with each other. Let's hug this thing out and remain good friends. How do you feel about that, friend?

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Butch was my 1st choice, but I call BS on Him suggesting He would've cut a recruiting visit short, if an Amari Cooper or a Dalvin Cook would've dared parted their lips about a depth chart or PT. Like ****, Butch wasn't turning those types of kids away...He either didn't have room for em', or they didn't like our situation in regards to sanctions.

 

[Novacane32000]

Butch was my 1st choice, but I call BS on Him suggesting He would've cut a recruiting visit short, if an Amari Cooper or a Dalvin Cook would've dared parted their lips about a depth chart or PT. Like ****, Butch wasn't turning those types of kids away...He either didn't have room for em', or they didn't like our situation in regards to sanctions.

Exactly,Just like if Tom Brady is 5 min late to a meeting, you don't cut him. I believe Butch was referring to the borderline 3* guy who is afraid to compete.

 

[Fightinibis]

Butch was my 1st choice, but I call BS on Him suggesting He would've cut a recruiting visit short, if an Amari Cooper or a Dalvin Cook would've dared parted their lips about a depth chart or PT. Like ****, Butch wasn't turning those types of kids away...He either didn't have room for em', or they didn't like our situation in regards to sanctions.

Ok, this wasn't 1982, but let's not pretend recruiting hasn't changed quite a bit in the last 15 years since Butch took over at UM.

Were there primadonnas? Absolutely...like now? No way, not like recruiting today in SF. Were there bag men? Absolutely...but nowhere near how they network now.

Butch would adapted to the changing recruiting culture had he stayed, instead, we went into hibernation from any perspective....so looking back, his philosophy was brilliant for the time.

 

[d--1]

So you're saying if he'd been hired over Richt the trend of every top-rated recruit coming out of S Fla going to FSU, Bama, UF, OSU etc would certainly have continued. We'd be looking at Louisville's recruiting class year in and year out essentially, all the kids the big schools didn't want. There are way too many kids coming out of the area with these types of demands. If you can't deal with those kids, help them mature, find a place for them, you'll never get the top talent. And with recruiting being what it is, where unknown recruits are so few and far between, I think you won't have nearly as many diamonds in the rough as there might've been in 1997-1999. Tough to win if you cut bait at the first sign of drama from these recruits.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Butch was my 1st choice, but I call BS on Him suggesting He would've cut a recruiting visit short, if an Amari Cooper or a Dalvin Cook would've dared parted their lips about a depth chart or PT. Like ****, Butch wasn't turning those types of kids away...He either didn't have room for em', or they didn't like our situation in regards to sanctions.

Ok, this wasn't 1982, but let's not pretend recruiting hasn't changed quite a bit in the last 15 years since Butch took over at UM.

Were there primadonnas? Absolutely...like now? No way, not like recruiting today in SF. Were there bag men? Absolutely...but nowhere near how they network now.

Butch would adapted to the changing recruiting culture had he stayed, instead, we went into hibernation from any perspective....so looking back, his philosophy was brilliant for the time.

I'm not talking about now, I'm saying with the crippling sanctions we faced then, Butch wasn't turning kids away because they asked about the depth chart or PT...those kids didn't come for other reasons, not because Butch cut a recruiting visit short.

You must've forgot that we rode out with the likes of Wayne,Moss,Reed,Blades,Webster,etc for a minute...IIRC, most, or all of those kids, were from the 97' recruiting class. That 97' class was really the foundation, that class kept Butch's head above water till' He got those transformational classes in 00' & 01'.

 

[The Franchise]

So you're saying if he'd been hired over Richt the trend of every top-rated recruit coming out of S Fla going to FSU, Bama, UF, OSU etc would certainly have continued. We'd be looking at Louisville's recruiting class year in and year out essentially, all the kids the big schools didn't want. There are way too many kids coming out of the area with these types of demands. If you can't deal with those kids, help them mature, find a place for them, you'll never get the top talent. And with recruiting being what it is, where unknown recruits are so few and far between, I think you won't have nearly as many diamonds in the rough as there might've been in 1997-1999. Tough to win if you cut bait at the first sign of drama from these recruits.

There are still 25 great athletes who will eat faces every year to sign. The greats, like Davis, put a premium on character.

You young fellas think everything is completely different just because of the internet and recruiting nerds and star rankings. Nothing's changed. There have been primadonna babies with selfish attitudes forever in athletics.

You can stack talent but you'll never win big if you don't put a premium on character in recruiting. The primadonna makes recruiting nerds' panties wet, but he gets coaches fired.

 

[Fightinibis]

Butch was my 1st choice, but I call BS on Him suggesting He would've cut a recruiting visit short, if an Amari Cooper or a Dalvin Cook would've dared parted their lips about a depth chart or PT. Like ****, Butch wasn't turning those types of kids away...He either didn't have room for em', or they didn't like our situation in regards to sanctions.

Ok, this wasn't 1982, but let's not pretend recruiting hasn't changed quite a bit in the last 15 years since Butch took over at UM.

Were there primadonnas? Absolutely...like now? No way, not like recruiting today in SF. Were there bag men? Absolutely...but nowhere near how they network now.

Butch would adapted to the changing recruiting culture had he stayed, instead, we went into hibernation from any perspective....so looking back, his philosophy was brilliant for the time.

I'm not talking about now, I'm saying with the crippling sanctions we faced then, Butch wasn't turning kids away because they asked about the depth chart or PT...those kids didn't come for other reasons, not because Butch cut a recruiting visit short.

You must've forgot that we rode out with the likes of Wayne,Moss,Reed,Blades,Webster,etc for a minute...IIRC, most, or all of those kids, were from the 97' recruiting class. That 97' class was really the foundation, that class kept Butch's head above water till' He got those transformational classes in 00' & 01'.

Yeah, I wasn't really arguing your point quite frankly, I was just pointing out that Butch recruiting today would definitely be forced to...let's say maneuver...around more modern recruiting obstacles such as celebrity status recruits (some more legends in their own minds than others). What he did in his evaluating, including crippling sanctions, was nothing short of amazing.

I have no idea how selective he was or was not with top end recruits he felt would not compete, but I do know guys like Dan Morgan, Santana Moss, Ed Reed, etc. were a different breed than the majority of what he would face today.

UM

 

[obcanes]

Stopping the tradition of shaving the freshman's hair was a mistake. Kids not willing to come because they will lose their locks is similar to a kid not willing to fight for a job. The ritual showed respect for the school and seniors and a commitment to do anything to succeed including losing one's identity.

 

[Gatorhater]

I am sure Butch was not saying that is the ONLY deciding factor. He must have first wanted the kid and then any sign of entitlement disqualified him. Otherwise, you have the Al thing going -- a hard working kid with no talent would be a great recruit. Butch started with certain physical characteristics and then used this as additional filter.

 

[TemplarCane]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

I think Kaaya will get Miami closer over his two remaining years but Allison will be the next QB to bring home a NC trophy.

 

[kendallcanes]

Butch don't want no DIVAS

 

[prinmemo]

So you're saying if he'd been hired over Richt the trend of every top-rated recruit coming out of S Fla going to FSU, Bama, UF, OSU etc would certainly have continued. We'd be looking at Louisville's recruiting class year in and year out essentially, all the kids the big schools didn't want. There are way too many kids coming out of the area with these types of demands. If you can't deal with those kids, help them mature, find a place for them, you'll never get the top talent. And with recruiting being what it is, where unknown recruits are so few and far between, I think you won't have nearly as many diamonds in the rough as there might've been in 1997-1999. Tough to win if you cut bait at the first sign of drama from these recruits.

There are still 25 great athletes who will eat faces every year to sign. The greats, like Davis, put a premium on character.

You young fellas think everything is completely different just because of the internet and recruiting nerds and star rankings. Nothing's changed. There have been primadonna babies with selfish attitudes forever in athletics.

You can stack talent but you'll never win big if you don't put a premium on character in recruiting. The primadonna makes recruiting nerds' panties wet, but he gets coaches fired.

+1. Character is essential in all fields. It is essential in life.

 

[theibisrules]

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

 

[RVACane]

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.