Butch Davis yesterday revealed his main recruiting secret

[3FW]

Butch liked big athletic coachable kids who like to compete.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

We need 4 and 5 stars of all types... let the practice field sort it out.

 

[ben]

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Butch was lying to you. His biggest recruiting secret was banging recruits' moms.

 

[theibisrules]

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

 

[RVACane]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

What's complete and utter hogwash and why???

 

[theibisrules]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

What's complete and utter hogwash and why???

He was a great evaluator...(STOP) turn the page. Richt is the new guy here. Let's hear what he has to say on these types of matters. Anything referring to Butch Davis at this point is disingenuous at best and total BS.

 

[RVACane]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

...He told the world one of the reasons he was the best in the game at evaluating HS talent that would translate into major D1 talent. Butch broke it down to one simple thing--is the kid willing to compete and fight?

He said that when he was recruiting kids, and they brought up any sort of demands about being given immediate playing time or talked about guys on the depth chart he'd quit recruiting them. Primarily, he was looking for guys who wanted to compete their asses off. That's the secret to his success.

This is how guys like Sumlin have gotten into trouble. They've put too much emphasis on accumulating high-star recruits and not enough on finding savages who want to compete.

I'm all for 5 star talent, but those guys also have to have lion hearts. Take a guy like Bosa at OTU. 5 star talent with a 5 star motor. At the end of the day, football is the ultimate game of violence and competition. If you're a coddled guy who doesn't want to compete, I don't care how many stars you have next to your name. You're going to fail, and you're going to get your coach fired.

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

What's complete and utter hogwash and why???

He was a great evaluator...(STOP) turn the page. Richt is the new guy here. Let's hear what he has to say on these types of matters. Anything referring to Butch Davis at this point is disingenuous at best and total BS.

Ok... I don't think we're talking about Richt.... I'm hoping for the best with him and I was neither for or against Butch. I think Franchise was acknowledging that Butch was a great evaluator of talent and that his criteria seriously considered a kid's competitiveness. The man built our 2001championship team. Trying to understand how successful people make decisions is, in my opinion, a good conversation, and not reflective on Richt, but if you dont think so then that's your view... no worries.

 

[The Franchise]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

Stop living in the past..the man is 15 years removed from the U and hired John Blake for crying out loud....why are we still trusting anything Butch has to say? Not thread worthy at all...the only way this is news-worthy AT ALL is if Mark Richt said these things. What sayeth coach Richt on this said philosophy? I'm interested....

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

What's complete and utter hogwash and why???

He was a great evaluator...(STOP) turn the page. Richt is the new guy here. Let's hear what he has to say on these types of matters. Anything referring to Butch Davis at this point is disingenuous at best and total BS.

Ok... I don't think we're talking about Richt.... I'm hoping for the best with him and I was neither for or against Butch. I think Franchise was acknowledging that Butch was a great evaluator of talent and that his criteria seriously considered a kid's competitiveness. The man built our 2001championship team. Trying to understand how successful people make decisions is, in my opinion, a good conversation, and not reflective on Richt, but if you dont think so then that's your view... no worries.

That dude's trying to be funny and failing horribly. Stop wasting time with him.

 

[jerzeycane]

Recruit Alphas

 

[sfowler06]

Less coal shovelers.. More Trabis Ward's..

Trabis Ward Interview - YouTube

Best interview of all time.

 

[theibisrules]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

Butch was a great evaluator of talent when he was here... like Parcells was with the Giants. I wouldn't take that away from him. That said, he's 5-6 years removed from coaching and we hired Richt. I also recall questioning some of Butch's game decisions. Still... It doesn't mean we can't learn from Butch and his approach when it came to how he put his teams together and what was important to him.

Complete and utter hogwash

Complete and utter hogwash

What's complete and utter hogwash and why???

He was a great evaluator...(STOP) turn the page. Richt is the new guy here. Let's hear what he has to say on these types of matters. Anything referring to Butch Davis at this point is disingenuous at best and total BS.

Ok... I don't think we're talking about Richt.... I'm hoping for the best with him and I was neither for or against Butch. I think Franchise was acknowledging that Butch was a great evaluator of talent and that his criteria seriously considered a kid's competitiveness. The man built our 2001championship team. Trying to understand how successful people make decisions is, in my opinion, a good conversation, and not reflective on Richt, but if you dont think so then that's your view... no worries.

That dude's trying to be funny and failing horribly. Stop wasting time with him.

I'm sure you are qualified to know me from a few internet post...but I assure you that I am not joking. I wanna hear and see what Richt is gonna do to turn this mess around. Hopefully not slogans and propaganda. I Just spent 5 years rooting for that, not gonna spend 5 more. So you can call me a negative nancy or whatever but I wanna see a better than average product on the field.

 

[SWFLSWAGG17]

Agree with the original post. But I would add that the kid still needs to have the talent. Dallas Crawford has the heart of a lion. But he's not a great safety no matter how hard he competes. We want a few guys like Dallas on our team because of the edge they give us. But we need more guys like Perryman who has both relentless will and the ability to make plays.

Dallas was a 4 star out of high school. D.P. was a 3 star. Hindsight is 20/20, and recruiting sites crystal balls are not real.

 

[TheMatador]

Coaches would be well-served to listen to Butch on this subject. I know it's hard when boosters are so caught up with class rankings. But Butch was the best of all time when it came to evaluating kids. Listen to the master.

No he wasn't, Jimmy Johnson was.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Agree with the original post. But I would add that the kid still needs to have the talent. Dallas Crawford has the heart of a lion. But he's not a great safety no matter how hard he competes. We want a few guys like Dallas on our team because of the edge they give us. But we need more guys like Perryman who has both relentless will and the ability to make plays.

That is why he should have stayed at RB. Not only for depth purposes, but his skill set better translated to a semi-productive rotation RB.

 

[INCaneFan]

I can understand the demanding playing time, but someone is being dishonest about dropping a recruit if they ask about the depth chart. That a question every recruit should ask right along with where the coach expects they'll fit into it.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Coaches would be well-served to listen to Butch on this subject. I know it's hard when boosters are so caught up with class rankings. But Butch was the best of all time when it came to evaluating kids. Listen to the master.

No he wasn't, Jimmy Johnson was.

No. Butch is the greatest evaluator of talent that ever laced them up. Jimmy Johnson was also very good and the vastly superior coach.

 

[INCaneFan]

This is why I like Jack Allison, he wasn't fazed by any talk of Eason coming aboard this class...

We'll never know if he was or wasn't. Some Twitter post doesn't prove that.

Bravado or false bravado certainly didn't help him whatsoever at the high school level as he has pedestrian stats.

 

[terdferguson]

That's one of his recruiting secrets. There was another one that I think is equally important. Butch said that he would recruit guys that absolutely lived for football. Guys that would eat, sleep, and breath football. Football, football, football.

In a way they kind of go hand in hand. Guys that have a tremendous passion for the game are going to be workers. Those guys are going to work their *** off and then work their *** off some more because they'll love doing it.

 

[INCaneFan]

Recruits who live and breath football or any other sport are rare these days.

 

[d--1]

So you're saying if he'd been hired over Richt the trend of every top-rated recruit coming out of S Fla going to FSU, Bama, UF, OSU etc would certainly have continued. We'd be looking at Louisville's recruiting class year in and year out essentially, all the kids the big schools didn't want. There are way too many kids coming out of the area with these types of demands. If you can't deal with those kids, help them mature, find a place for them, you'll never get the top talent. And with recruiting being what it is, where unknown recruits are so few and far between, I think you won't have nearly as many diamonds in the rough as there might've been in 1997-1999. Tough to win if you cut bait at the first sign of drama from these recruits.

There are still 25 great athletes who will eat faces every year to sign. The greats, like Davis, put a premium on character.

You young fellas think everything is completely different just because of the internet and recruiting nerds and star rankings. Nothing's changed. There have been primadonna babies with selfish attitudes forever in athletics.

You can stack talent but you'll never win big if you don't put a premium on character in recruiting. The primadonna makes recruiting nerds' panties wet, but he gets coaches fired.

I don't disagree with you. My point is simply that much of the criticism of UM recruiting in recent years (Shannon and Golden) is on how they haven't locked down the top guys in S Fla, how we've had to sit back and watch them go on to great careers in the SEC and other programs. Based on the description of how Butch would have approached it, sure sounds like it would be much the same. Now one might say that Butch would be better at judging talent with the guys he does take (tough not to say that with as bad as Golden was in this area), but if he were unwilling to deal with the drama that often comes along with the true "top recruits", then we'd still be watching them all leave and play elsewhere. Kids like Cook, who commit/decommit 3 times before NSD, kids wanting to play QB when they really shouldn't be QBs, you name it, those kids would go somewhere else. Often those are the best recruits.