Butch Davis would’ve had this team competing with Clemson

[Go Canes!!]

Actually, we won that game.




1) You just admitted you're blind.

2) You're an admittedly blind person telling someone else to open their eyes. Que?

3) Regarding Butch,...well....comparisons are relative. Are we comparing him to Saban,...who's not a possible hire? Or are we comparing him to a head coach that has never led his teams to a National Title game? Butch has been there, Richt has not. I'd take my chances with Butch.

Are they both over the hill? If so,...Butch's outward goal isin't to advance his son and he lets his coordinators call plays, while Richt is our lone offensive playcaller. Another win for Butch.

And if we're both biased and want outside opinion on who could run a more successful operation, Butch was a candidate multiple times for NFL HC jobs and was once hired as one,...while Richt never has, per my Google research. Win #3 for Butch.

You see,...we don't have to compare Butch to the Top 5 or Top 10 coaches in CFB right now to clearly make the argument that our program is in limbo and Butch would be a better option.


Georgia effectively said "you can get us these 9-3 years -- like this year -- but we've came to the conclusion that you will never even lead us to a MNC game."

They then fired him.

And Richt was then hired by a program who -- at least per the fans' mental makeup -- has higher standards and aspirations than Georgia.

Let's not twist or distort. Everything you've (or avoided) in this post is the sheer reality of the matter.

This isin't UGA. We aren't alone in the state.

Per his history, letting Richt do as he wants in Coral Gables for a 4th year is a high risk, low reward situation we're going to helplessly watch play out (because apparently, Richt is going to seek ZERO outside help).

You're missing the entire point. I'm not blind to Richt. I see his flaws. The need for a new OC, the fact he should have fired Searels. All of it.

I only include whatever successes he's had because they are far greater than what Butch has done his whole career. Yet to some on here, the countless excuses for repeated mediocrity are all warranted while whatever greater success the other has had are flawed luck or worse.

Get it?

 

[RomeoJunior]

You're missing the entire point. .....

I only include whatever successes he's had because they are far greater than what Butch has done his whole career.

You're saying that Richt has been more successful than Butch? I strongly disagree for the reasons I mentioned. BTW,...the reasons mentioned were all facts.

 

[RomeoJunior]

Butch circa 2014 on our problems in relation to the coaching received....revisited...

“It’s got to be the talent level,” he said. “Somebody is not evaluating the talent. Name the time they weren’t ranked in the top 13 or 14 recruiting classes. And 29 of these guys are gone in the last four years and [some of those still at UM] are not good players.

“You can recruit enough kids just living in Miami to win a national championship. Howard Schnellenberger had it right when he talked about recruiting from Tampa to Orlando and the Space Coast south. You can get 10, 14 players everyone would love to have from South Florida and then cherry-pick other players.

“There would be a Bubba Franks or a Damione Lewis from Texas. If a state doesn’t produce enough of a particular thing,… let’s go to [Pennsylvania] to sign Martin Bibla… Somewhere there has to be a disconnect with that. Either they can’t evaluate players or players have jumped ship or flunked out or whatever the deal.”

Davis, who went 51-20 in six years at UM (1995-2000), also points to coaching.

“Look at the staff I had: Chuck Pagano is coaching the Indianapolis Colts. Greg Schiano coached Tampa Bay. Larry Coker (UT-San Antonio) and Curtis Johnson (Tulane) became head coaches. Rob Chudzinski became a head coach (Cleveland Browns). Our kids got the [expletive] coached out of them.

“When they left our program, they were **** near a finished, polished gem. There wasn’t any rookie wall for Ed Reed, Jeremy Shockey, Bubba Franks… They immediately became impact players at that level. I can’t name a Miami player [in his prime] who’s a star in the league. Other than Jimmy Graham, I can’t name one.

“I love [The U Part 2 director] Billy Corben and he tells a phenomenally great story. The one thing I wished is there would be more credit for some of the assistants. I didn’t do it all by myself. I don’t see anyone on their staff being promoted to coordinators or jumping ship for coordinator jobs. I know that goes hand in hand with winning. That is an outsider perspective.”

 

[deleted20764]

Last season we were riding a 15 game winning streak and were ranked #2 in the country and won 10 games overall for the first time in 15 years.

How many of those things has Butch done ever? One time in 16 years he won 10 games.

Was Richt the answer last year?

You cherry pick Butch's positives and assume things that defy logic while ignoring since he left here he's been fired twice, been out of coaching for almost a decade, coached here at a completely different era in college gootball and currently has the 115th ranked recruiting class in the country and only 12 commits at FIU, which is second worst in his conference.

Winning 8-9 games proves Butch is a good coach. But he has done nothing since the day he stepped foot off this campus to indicate he can ever replicate the one great team he put together here.

You are absolutely correct. Keep up the good fight

 

[nycane]

Butch circa 2014 on our problems in relation to the coaching received....revisited...

my friend told me "greg mark was the greatest coach i ever played for in my life"

 

[Go Canes!!]

You're saying that Richt has been more successful than Butch? I strongly disagree for the reasons I mentioned. BTW,...the reasons mentioned were all facts.

Ten 10 win seasons vs. one 10 win season.

You need a new success calculator dude.

 

[RomeoJunior]

In relation to what I just posted,...anyone that thinks Mark Richt is somehow improving the offensive side of the ball (recruiting/coaching hires/playcalling), please don't duck and dodge the issue. Just come on here and state why they think so and maybe convert a few people. I have an open mind.

Butch is not the greatest coach by anyone's imagination. But does he have to be the greatest coach ever to have a much better chance here than Richt?

I think he'd have a better grasp on the hires he'd make for those 3 areas than what we have now.

 

[RomeoJunior]

Ten 10 win seasons vs. one 10 win season.

You need a new success calculator dude.

Dude got fired over a 9-win season!! You really think Cane fans give a flip about 10 win seasons???? ****,...even Georgia doesn't give a sh** about them. When was the last time they won a MNC?? Got to one?

Why ignore all of the things I posted to only post about something no one cares about??

We have a different standard here that -- I repeat -- Georgia got tired of. We'd take a championship appearance every four to five years, mix in some 9 win seasons and the reality is we'd be satisfied here.

What the **** is it on the offensive side of the ball that gives you reason to believe we're doing the right things,...other than Mark Richt's penchant for 10 win seasons no one gives a **** about...

I'll sit and wait...

 

[Go Canes!!]

Dude got fired over a 9-win season!! You really think Cane fans give a flip about 10 win seasons???? ****,...even Georgia doesn't give a sh** about them. When was the last time they won a MNC?? Got to one?

Why ignore all of the things I posted to only post about something no one cares about??

We have a different standard here that -- I repeat -- Georgia got tired of. We'd take a championship appearance every four-5 years and mix in some 9 win seasons and the reality is we'd be satisfied here.

What the **** is it on this offensive side of the ball that gives you reason to believe we're doing the right things,...other than Mark Richt's penchant for 10 win seasons no one gives a **** about...

Dude wtf are you talking about. You measure success by wins and losses. This is Butch's fourth shot to turn around a team. In his first three, regardless of how he inherited the team, he was 20-20 overall in his FOURTH year at the first three.

Thats four recruiting classes or four drafts at three different opportunities and you're talking Championships every five yea?

 

[RomeoJunior]

Dude wtf are you talking about.

Either you're acting stupid or you ARE stupid. You're playing the "avoidance" game just as I had predicted you would, but well-played.

You measure success by wins and losses.

No I dont. I measure success by seeing a good product on the field. 2 years in = not really his players anyway. If you choose to stay blind to the dynamics of CFB, that's you.

You're not nearly important enough to define what's a successful season at this school, fella. An offense that stinks with no legit QB is not a successful season for many,...dont care if the ball bounced our way for 10 wins that could've easily been 7.

We have a history of being a dominant program,...not squeaking by for victories. If your offense is sh**, you're not likely to be dominant in this day and age.

This is Butch's fourth shot to turn around a team.

I don't care that it's Butch's 1st shot. I care about the things I posted above that you're refusing to reply to.[/quote]

In his first three, regardless of how he inherited the team, _______________________

I disregarded whatever dumb sh** came after "regardless of how he inherited." Not only does what you inherit always matter, you still haven't addressed the facts I listed above. They were numerous. Bringing up other unrelated things aren't replies.

Thats four recruiting classes or four drafts at three different opportunities and you're talking Championships every five yea?

"Opportunities" to do what? You're way off on a tangent.

Can you respond to the many things listed above, or can you only continue to copy and paste the same alternative fact over and over while avoiding everything else??

Here,...let me highlight the main question you're dodging yet again:

What the **** is it on this offense's side of the ball that gives you reason to believe coach RICHT is doing the right things??

I'm still waiting for a football-related reply....

 

[duke4heisman]

Butch circa 2014 on our problems in relation to the coaching received....revisited...

Boom! BUTCH MUTHA****IN DAVIS *******!!

 

[RomeoJunior]

Just in case there's any confusion on what Richt sees as successful or important,...here is the year before he was fired,...2 eventual 10-win seasons @Go Canes!! thinks we should be salivating over.

Georgia’s Mark Richt hasn’t spent many Christmas holidays at home over his coaching career.

In fact, Richt has to think long and hard about when the last time he hadn’t spent the week preparing for or coaching in a college football bowl.

Yet this is the time of year Richt and his players live for, as the 13th-ranked Bulldogs prepare to face No. 20 Louisville in Tuesday night’s Belk Bowl at Bank of America Stadium.

“My oldest son, John, is 24, and he’s been to a bowl game every year of his life,” Richt said.

“Gosh, I’ve been coaching college ball almost 30 years, and 29 out of those 30 I’ve went to a bowl. It’s just kind of expected.”

Georgia’s players, coaches and support staff arrived in Charlotte on Wednesday and will begin practicing Thursday leading up to next week’s 13th-annual game.

Over the next four days, the teams will enjoy a shopping trip to Belk’s flagship store at SouthPark mall, will turn laps in a NASCAR stock car at Charlotte Motor Speedway and watch Saturday’s Charlotte Hornets-Orlando Magic game at Time Warner Cable Arena.

While Richt – who has coached the Bulldogs in 14 consecutive bowls, including the Belk Bowl – and his upperclassmen are used to all of the hoopla, it will be a totally new experience for Georgia’s freshmen.

Add in that the game preparations are taking place over the Christmas holiday, and it’s another adjustment for the underclassmen, according to Richt.


“It’s probably the first time in their lives they’re not home for Christmas for a lot of these freshmen,” Richt said. “But they’ve got to be prepared, and they’ve got to take care of business. That’s what we’re here to do.”

Georgia will head into the next four days having undergone a shakeup on its coaching staff.

Offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Mike Bobo has left to take over as Colorado State’s head coach, and offensive line coach Will Friend will be following him after next week’s bowl game.

Even then -- quite clearly -- his mind is on his son's place.

And paraphrasing Richt,...he's had a hand in getting his teams to bowl games 33 out of 34 years he's coached,....so HE'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL 33 out of the 34 years he's coached!! The following year, Georgia disagreed with that train of thought, even with eventually 10 wins.

1) His OC earned a job as Colorado State that year, and the OC he had in his last year, Schottenheimer, is the current playcaller for the Seattle Seahawks.

A) You think Georgia's BOTs got tired of babysitting and making sure solid OCs were there and in place for them to at least be semi-successful?
B) Who do we have in place of his last 2 (Georgia) OCs that were pre-qualified enough to go on to higher jobs?

 

[duke4heisman]

Exactly what @RomeoJunior said. Basically let's just break this down to simplicity. If Butch's 2000 team (the first time he had a full roster) went up against ANY Rorcht team (especially in Miami) what do the haters think the outcome would be? That's right, total annihilation, Butch's squad was loaded and played that way on the field. End thread......
BUTCH MUTHA****IN DAVIS *******!!

 

[deleted20764]

Exactly what @RomeoJunior said. Basically let's just break this down to simplicity. If Butch's 2000 team (the first time he had a full roster) went up against ANY Rorcht team (especially in Miami) what do the haters think the outcome would be? That's right, total annihilation, Butch's squad was loaded and played that way on the field. End thread......
BUTCH MUTHA****IN DAVIS *******!!

why play a silly game of make believe to create a narrative/

facts: CMR has a better record and better longevity all the while playing in a much tougher college football division.

i refuse to give Davis the benefit of the doubt in any "what if" bull **** scenario. butch never won anything. ever. he did put together a great team tho...so, credit deserved.

 

[duke4heisman]

why play a silly game of make believe to create a narrative/

facts: CMR has a better record and better longevity all the while playing in a much tougher college football division.

i refuse to give Davis the benefit of the doubt in any "what if" bull **** scenario. butch never won anything. ever. he did put together a great team tho...so, credit deserved.

You refuse to do so because you absolutely know the truth. Butch developed savages. Rorcht develops "good people." There's nothing wrong with that but it's not a championship quality for a football coach.

 

[Texxcane]

why play a silly game of make believe to create a narrative/

facts: CMR has a better record and better longevity all the while playing in a much tougher college football division.

i refuse to give Davis the benefit of the doubt in any "what if" bull **** scenario. butch never won anything. ever. he did put together a great team tho...so, credit deserved.

Facts, Butch has won a chip at Miami under Jimmy, Fact, Butch has won super bowls, one as a DC, Fact, Butch came back here and built ANOTHER national champion. During all that time Mork aint won jack, gets his role diminished at UGA because HE CANT CALL PLAYS HE SUCKS AT IT, then gets totally fired as they realize this guy is getting worse and will never get them there. So Mork come to Miami where he still sucks at calling plays, has a merry go round QB system, gets routinely outcoached by bums w far less talent, and recruiting has dropped below any Miami coach in recent memory, which surely means we will get worse in the coming years. Goddamm man he cant beat these teams we play with a big talent advantage, imagine whats coming in the future with classes ranked in the 40's. If you Mork guys think he's building something here your dumb as a box a rocks and need to wake TF up seriously, one of you guys please explain how we are headed towards anything other than failure....please

 

[deleted20764]

Facts, Butch has won a chip at Miami under Jimmy, Fact, Butch has won super bowls, one as a DC, Fact, Butch came back here and built ANOTHER national champion. During all that time Mork aint won jack, gets his role diminished at UGA because HE CANT CALL PLAYS HE SUCKS AT IT, then gets totally fired as they realize this guy is getting worse and will never get them there. So Mork come to Miami where he still sucks at calling plays, has a merry go round QB system, gets routinely outcoached by bums w far less talent, and recruiting has dropped below any Miami coach in recent memory, which surely means we will get worse in the coming years. Goddamm man he cant beat these teams we play with a big talent advantage, imagine whats coming in the future with classes ranked in the 40's. If you Mork guys think he's building something here your dumb as a box a rocks and need to wake TF up seriously, one of you guys please explain how we are headed towards anything other than failure....please

you know **** well we are talking about these guys as head coaches so at least try to be honest with your posts.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Facts, Butch has won a chip at Miami under Jimmy, Fact, Butch has won super bowls, one as a DC, Fact, Butch came back here and built ANOTHER national champion. During all that time Mork aint won jack, gets his role diminished at UGA because HE CANT CALL PLAYS HE SUCKS AT IT, then gets totally fired as they realize this guy is getting worse and will never get them there. So Mork come to Miami where he still sucks at calling plays, has a merry go round QB system, gets routinely outcoached by bums w far less talent, and recruiting has dropped below any Miami coach in recent memory, which surely means we will get worse in the coming years. Goddamm man he cant beat these teams we play with a big talent advantage, imagine whats coming in the future with classes ranked in the 40's. If you Mork guys think he's building something here your dumb as a box a rocks and need to wake TF up seriously, one of you guys please explain how we are headed towards anything other than failure....please

In recent memory Butch was unemployed as a HC for eight years and is now at a lower tiered, non Power 5 job. Do you really think he is just misunderstood by the dozens and dozens of big time programs that have had openings and never considered him?

I ask that sincerely, Im not trolling you. i respect your passion and I know you are a long timer like me.

 

[Canesfan0024]

Your answers are so predictable, down to the insult and the name calling, I could have written it for you myself.


Try and keep up dude. I'm not defending Right, I'm using his limited successes as comparison to show how you guys scream failure for what he has done while overlooking the fact Butch has done FAR, FAR less in his career yet somehow is your guaranteed savior.

Every single average to mediocre tenure, record or limited success Butch has had is overlooked by pointing to the one success he had in 16 years and counting as a HC.

He had the sanctions. The BOT screwed him. He would have won 5 straight titles. He would have kept ALL the local kids. Cleveland always ucks. He had no talent at UNC, then the suspensions! He didn't get an interview in eight years cause he didn't need the money. The NCAA screwed him. FIU is the worst program ever.

The excuse list for him s endless with some of you.

Meanwhile Richt is a year removed from winning the Coastal, getting us to the ACC Championship for the first time ever, getting to 10 wins for the first time in 15 years and beating FSU for the first time in seven years,

Yet to the Butch crew he is the messiah and Richt is not one of the worst, he is THE worst coach in college football.

When will you geniuses realize you're just as blind as the people you are accusing?

For ***** sake, open your eyes.

When are people going to bring up just a year ago he had the 65th recruiting class. At a school like FIU, bottom 5 program in NCAA. But the post I created wasn’t solely a Butch is our savior thread. I’m just telling you there is no possible way short of the death penalty that Butch would have this program anywhere near where it is right now. The job Richt has done and his track record shows he’s one of the worst coaches in America.

Starting with his 30 year old plays. Not playing talented younger kids over more deserving older class men. Our two minute drill that was a 4 minute drill where we still ran out of time with two timeouts. Playing a quarterback who has no business in the P5 and debatable that he should be playing at FIU. In game play call and decisions. Suspending players for minor fractions like these kids aren’t 18 years old. The list is endless and I could go on and on. Fvck Mark Richt. He’s a pos if you ask me who cares about nothing but his family and his retirement funds. He’s a loser and always has done more with less. Open your eyes.

 

[deleted20764]

When are people going to bring up just a year ago he had the 65th recruiting class. At a school like FIU, bottom 5 program in NCAA. But the post I created wasn’t solely a Butch is our savior thread. I’m just telling you there is no possible way short of the death penalty that Butch would have this program anywhere near where it is right now. The job Richt has done and his track record shows he’s one of the worst coaches in America.

Starting with his 30 year old plays. Not playing talented younger kids over more deserving older class men. Our two minute drill that was a 4 minute drill where we still ran out of time with two timeouts. Playing a quarterback who has no business in the P5 and debatable that he should be playing at FIU. In game play call and decisions. Suspending players for minor fractions like these kids aren’t 18 years old. The list is endless and I could go on and on. Fvck Mark Richt. He’s a pos if you ask me who cares about nothing but his family and his retirement funds. He’s a loser and always has done more with less. Open your eyes.

what an awful post from beginning to end.