Butch Davis was the Right Choice

[Soul Cane]

People forget who Butch hired as his OC ,,,,,, they call him "Clappy"

Playing devil's advocate, JJ also hired Clappy as OC.

 

[TemplarCane]

I wonder what Butch's philosophy would've been in terms of what type of offense he would run. College football has changed a bit in terms of tempo and many teams going spread since he last coached. Would he have adapted to that?

It's really a shame he didn't fulfill his destiny at UM and bolted to Cleveland. He had a lot of early foibles at UM( he was literally the worst clock/game manager Ive seen at Miami) but he built a powerhouse by 2000. History has shown that talent procurement was the least of his issues

Botch would have won a few NCs. And then bolted for the NFL.

 

[k9cane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

You're 100% wrong.

The entire Miami athletic program knew they were going to get hammered with sanctions in '94. Miami therefore voluntarily surrendered 7 scholarships for the '95 season before official sanctions hit. So yes, Miami was dealing with scholarship restrictions in Butch's first year.

And the sanctions weren't the only reason why Erickson jumped ship to the Hawks. The other was Erickson knew with the '94 seniors graduating, Sapp going pro, and his lack of recruiting, the team was going to take a serious talent hit in talent. To this day, many Hurricane fans don't realize how poor of a recruiter Erickson was and how much he benefited from inheriting JJ's recruits. Erickson's last two recruiting classes were just abysmal. And his '93 class (considered to be his best) turned out to be overrated. Erickson alienating a good portion of South Florida HS didn't end up paying dividends for the program as many Miami HS studs went on to star at other programs, especially FSU during their glory years.

And no, Davis didn't inherit a top 10 roster in '95. Far from it. The team had 5 seniors. The DT postion in '95 was atrocious and much worse than what the Canes have today. The '95 team was weak at CB and OL. Collins and Clement weren't NFL caliber QBs. The team had poor depth with major drop off in talent after the 1st string

Even if Miami had never been put on probation, Miami was heading toward a downward spiral due to a lack of talent. If Dennis coached the team in '95, they still would have been reamed by FSU and UCLA. And Erickson knew it.

I did some player by player breakdowns of Erickson's recruiting classes for Grassy way back when and yeah, those classes were filled with lot of guys like Omar Andres, Jesse Mitchell, Willie Phillips and Aaron Jones that simply didn't contribute and not nearly enough guys like Ray Lewis(obviously). Butch took over a depleted program. It was during this era that FSU really made their move into South Florida.

Butch with some real handcuffs did a great job in rebuilding UM( starting with guys like Nate Webster in his first class)

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Al Golden was quite simply the worst head coach in College Football. Dorito was the worst D Coordinator ever! Art Kehoe was putrid. I don't understand how Richt can be judged in 7 games yet they lost Quan and Grace because they wanted to drive Ferraris and then lied about it.These are Al's players except for the true freshman LBs and Richards.

Kaaya with this offensive line? Fail! No chance he sacked himself on 1 play Thursday night. 8 sacks! Try the wildcat anything to change things up can't block worth a **** why not? Whatever they are trying to do a 180 is necessary and fast.

You can criticize the play calling but something is really wrong. All starts with the moose up front dominate line of scrimmage that is not happening this year. Richt doesn't trust his offense at all he even said he is afraid of getting Kaaya killed!

Old Canes fans this OLIne is worse than 1994 version where Frank Costa got pummeled vs Nebraska. That game was the worst display of OLine play I have ever seen until this season. I bet only 1 out of 5 starters even play next season with The LSU Xfer Brown eligible.

Didn't Al recruit those freshmen LBs

 

[timepiece]

Lulz @ another Butch Davis thread. You'll cowards stay leaving in the past yearning for an irrelevant studio analyst that hasn't done **** on the field in 15 years.

How easily some of you forget how he handled the Browns job: Butch League Butch Davis left Miami scrambling when he betrayed his players and bolted for a big-money deal with the Browns

How easily some of you forget how he conducted himself after Sean Taylor Da Gawwwwwwwwwwwd died.

Look at the 1997 Canes: Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Bubba Franks, Santana Moss, Damione Lewis, Dan Morgan, Duane Starks, Nate Webster...how does he go 5-6?

Look at the 2010 Tar Heels: 12 players invited to the NFL combine, 9 players drafted, tied for most with USC in the 2011 draft. Butch led UNC to an 8-5 record, 4-4 in the ACC. More Butch underachievement.

Butch Davis is another underachieving coRch that gets constantly white knighted for something he did 15 years ago. He hasn't done **** since.

Miami needs a young coAch that change the way Miami football is played. Not some older, washed up, run of the mill coRch.

These Botch slurpers are worse than the F A G slurpers

 

[NJshoreCane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

You're 100% wrong.

The entire Miami athletic program knew they were going to get hammered with sanctions in '94. Miami therefore voluntarily surrendered 7 scholarships for the '95 season before official sanctions hit. So yes, Miami was dealing with scholarship restrictions in Butch's first year.

And the sanctions weren't the only reason why Erickson jumped ship to the Hawks. The other was Erickson knew with the '94 seniors graduating, Sapp going pro, and his lack of recruiting, the team was going to take a serious talent hit in talent. To this day, many Hurricane fans don't realize how poor of a recruiter Erickson was and how much he benefited from inheriting JJ's recruits. Erickson's last two recruiting classes were just abysmal. And his '93 class (considered to be his best) turned out to be overrated. Erickson alienating a good portion of South Florida HS didn't end up paying dividends for the program as many Miami HS studs went on to star at other programs, especially FSU during their glory years.

And no, Davis didn't inherit a top 10 roster in '95. Far from it. The team had 5 seniors. The DT postion in '95 was atrocious and much worse than what the Canes have today. The '95 team was weak at CB and OL. Collins and Clement weren't NFL caliber QBs. The team had poor depth with major drop off in talent after the 1st string

Even if Miami had never been put on probation, Miami was heading toward a downward spiral due to a lack of talent. If Dennis coached the team in '95, they still would have been reamed by FSU and UCLA. And Erickson knew it.

No, I didn't mention the 7 scholly's for Butches first year.
The point I was responding to was "dessemated by sanctions" in his first year.
Years 3 and 4 yes, but not year 1.

So, you think I was 100% wrong in saying Butch was not dessemated by sanctions in his first year?
I disagree with that.

All the other stuff you mention I'm well aware of.
The '94 offense was very average. No one was crying about Frank Costa leaving.
The defense carried that team.

In the '95 team, your selling short though, some of the talent on defense. Lewis, Holmes and Lang were still there. Russel and Burgess were good LB's as well.

My point is that it did take Butch more than 7 games to get things rolling. The guy the OP feels would have done a better job than Richt after 7 games.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

You're 100% wrong.

The entire Miami athletic program knew they were going to get hammered with sanctions in '94. Miami therefore voluntarily surrendered 7 scholarships for the '95 season before official sanctions hit. So yes, Miami was dealing with scholarship restrictions in Butch's first year.

And the sanctions weren't the only reason why Erickson jumped ship to the Hawks. The other was Erickson knew with the '94 seniors graduating, Sapp going pro, and his lack of recruiting, the team was going to take a serious talent hit in talent. To this day, many Hurricane fans don't realize how poor of a recruiter Erickson was and how much he benefited from inheriting JJ's recruits. Erickson's last two recruiting classes were just abysmal. And his '93 class (considered to be his best) turned out to be overrated. Erickson alienating a good portion of South Florida HS didn't end up paying dividends for the program as many Miami HS studs went on to star at other programs, especially FSU during their glory years.

And no, Davis didn't inherit a top 10 roster in '95. Far from it. The team had 5 seniors. The DT postion in '95 was atrocious and much worse than what the Canes have today. The '95 team was weak at CB and OL. Collins and Clement weren't NFL caliber QBs. The team had poor depth with major drop off in talent after the 1st string

Even if Miami had never been put on probation, Miami was heading toward a downward spiral due to a lack of talent. If Dennis coached the team in '95, they still would have been reamed by FSU and UCLA. And Erickson knew it.

I did some player by player breakdowns of Erickson's recruiting classes for Grassy way back when and yeah, those classes were filled with lot of guys like Omar Andres, Jesse Mitchell, Willie Phillips and Aaron Jones that simply didn't contribute and not nearly enough guys like Ray Lewis(obviously). Butch took over a depleted program. It was during this era that FSU really made their move into South Florida.

Butch with some real handcuffs did a great job in rebuilding UM( starting with guys like Nate Webster in his first class)

We'll always love Erickson for bringing us two NC's but I agree, he didn't recruit well. Actually recruited poorly considering the program's status during those years.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Babies still crapping fudge in their nappies talking about Butch.

Don't have a clue.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

Ok Genirus.

Name me ANYONE who has built a better college football team. Just throw a name out there.

/LULZ

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

You're 100% wrong.

The entire Miami athletic program knew they were going to get hammered with sanctions in '94. Miami therefore voluntarily surrendered 7 scholarships for the '95 season before official sanctions hit. So yes, Miami was dealing with scholarship restrictions in Butch's first year.

And the sanctions weren't the only reason why Erickson jumped ship to the Hawks. The other was Erickson knew with the '94 seniors graduating, Sapp going pro, and his lack of recruiting, the team was going to take a serious talent hit in talent. To this day, many Hurricane fans don't realize how poor of a recruiter Erickson was and how much he benefited from inheriting JJ's recruits. Erickson's last two recruiting classes were just abysmal. And his '93 class (considered to be his best) turned out to be overrated. Erickson alienating a good portion of South Florida HS didn't end up paying dividends for the program as many Miami HS studs went on to star at other programs, especially FSU during their glory years.

And no, Davis didn't inherit a top 10 roster in '95. Far from it. The team had 5 seniors. The DT postion in '95 was atrocious and much worse than what the Canes have today. The '95 team was weak at CB and OL. Collins and Clement weren't NFL caliber QBs. The team had poor depth with major drop off in talent after the 1st string

Even if Miami had never been put on probation, Miami was heading toward a downward spiral due to a lack of talent. If Dennis coached the team in '95, they still would have been reamed by FSU and UCLA. And Erickson knew it.

I did some player by player breakdowns of Erickson's recruiting classes for Grassy way back when and yeah, those classes were filled with lot of guys like Omar Andres, Jesse Mitchell, Willie Phillips and Aaron Jones that simply didn't contribute and not nearly enough guys like Ray Lewis(obviously). Butch took over a depleted program. It was during this era that FSU really made their move into South Florida.

Butch with some real handcuffs did a great job in rebuilding UM( starting with guys like Nate Webster in his first class)

Don't let facts get in the way of a great tranny circle jerk.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

We should've went with Fuente truthfully

How anybody negs this is beyond me.

from what I understand it's because he's known for being a pitiful recruiter

I've seen what butch build and it took a him a while but he built an unstoppable freight train which is why I wanted him. Terrible game day coach, conservative, blah blah.. down 30+ scholarships for years and builds the greatest team ever 6 years into it that didn't lose a game for another 3 with clappy coaching them.

It was a sure thing, that's why I wanted him. Then after the ferrari is running all cylinders, then you go get a fuente or fedora or whomever

He had Memphis looking awesome. So either he CAN recruit or he's just an amazing X and O's guy.

Even if he was a poor recruiter at Memphis, that doesn't mean he'll recruit poorly at Miami. Show me a kid in South FLA that wouldn't wanna play in that offense. We'd be scoring a ton of points and winning football games. That recruits itself.

Says the guy who can't get any real recruits to come play for his HS defense.......

Sure thing broham. You are in South FLA right?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Occasional losses?

Butch Davis is 1-3 vs East Carolina. 0-2 with Miami. Look at the 1999 roster and tell me how they lost to East Carolina.

2-8 vs VaTech. 1-4 vs NC St. 2-6 vs FSU. 2-3 vs UVA. 2-3 vs GaTech.

15-17 in ACC games. These aren't occasional, these are consistent.

Lulz at bringing up Saban and Meyer in a Butch Davis thread.

Probably because the man was down 33 scholarships and couldn't even run a full scrimmage or scout team. But please, carry on with your agenda

He still had enough talent to beat East Carolina and have a winning record.

Look at the 1997 Canes: Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Bubba Franks, Santana Moss, Damione Lewis, Dan Morgan, Duane Starks, Nate Webster...how does he go 5-6?

By you naming a bunch of true freshmen just goes to show how depleted the roster was especially on a defense that only had 3 returning starters:

FR- Wayne
FR- Franks
FR- Moss
FR- Lewis
FR- Morgan
FR- Reed
FR- Webster

Who were all of those true freshmen's backups? Other freshmen or scrub jr and srs?

I was totally against hiring Butch again but his early struggles were understandable...

Still enough talent to have a winning record.

What about 1999? The roster was stacked and he lost to East Carolina again.

What about his 15-17 ACC record?

He didn't accumulate 15-17 in 1999 and 2000...which was when the roster was actually stacked...

Everyone wants to say Butch built the teams. I'd argue AL Blades was more important that Butch into making the 99-02 Hurricanes. That Alpha right there wouldn't let other people be slack asses cause he'd whoop their ***. You better give your all or i am going to whip that ***. That's what were missing. Not coaching. We need Alphas that don't stand for sorry *** effort, heart, or play. Our 80s teams didn't need the motivation they were all alphas. Al Blades in my opinion in more responsible for the greatest team ever than Butch.

Moffitt too

Who the fvck recruited Al Blades?

Who the fvck hired Tommy Moffit?

Your porst is filled with absolute ******* idiocy. It's one of the most ignorant porsts I've seen on this site and I've seen a bunch.

It's a ****** porst. It sucks cawlk.

It's as g@y as a French Horn player with a *** moustache.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

If Butch was the coach that some of you make him out to be then he would've been hired by someone. He's been begging for a job and no one wants to give him a chance. Why? Because outside of a 3 years stretch Butch Davis has been a career UNDERACHIEVER.

You are full of schit. Butch hasn't been beggin for any job EXCEPT The U.

Take your g@y ****** no knowledge schit somewhere else.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Me personally I would have made Herman turn me down.
He was what I think UM needed. Accending coach with actual accomplishments.
I'm a fan of Butch but all he's flaws are real and to think he could replicate what happened the first time was unrealistic to me.
Ritch is what he is...he is a professional coach and over the life of he's contract I believe the program will be managed better than it has been for the last decade.
So the optimist in me hopes that Ritch will incrementally improve the program the point of top 15 consistancy and by the time we get to do this search thing again we will be in great shape.
The pessimist in me knows Ritch is it until he choses to retire so it better work.

Are you on the record saying that?

Or are you one of those guys that waits till schit has already happened to tell everyone what he would have done?

al la Assy Booger

 

[Cane Dynasty]

LOL because Butch is the king of quick turnarounds.

He might've panicked and blown the App St game.

He built an NFL roster while on probation.

And they flew banners for him.


Let's exhibit a *little* patience.

So I have you on the record saying that we will have the best team in the history of NCAA football in 6 years?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Before Richt signed with Miami, Virginia and Maryland already made moves on Richt and that was in a very short amount of time.

Just what we need!

Corches that are wanted by 2 of the WORST athletic departments in the country football wise.


Nice work.

Fer fvcks sake! Virgania replace Mike London (one of the worst ever) with Bronco Mendenhal.

Get a ******* GRIP youngin

 

[jtaz34]

god, the two names i hate seeing around here are butch davis and rob chudzinski. Everyone seems to romanticize that they were some kind of gods here. butch, while having one of the best eyes for talent, was an equally worse game day coach. i remember threads on grassy that sounded like the anti golden threads. at unc it was the same, good talent, ****** game day coaching. as far as chud, since i mentioned him, if you wanna see some horrible offensive gameplans, just go watch some of his games here. talent, and talent alone made that chump look decent.

so no, butch wouldn't have been a better hire. having said that, they should hire him to some bull**** title like alabama does with their 80 coaches and be put in charge of recruiting evaluation, but for the love of god keep him away from the field on game days.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

god, the two names i hate seeing around here are butch davis and rob chudzinski. Everyone seems to romanticize that they were some kind of gods here. butch, while having one of the best eyes for talent, was an equally worse game day coach. i remember threads on grassy that sounded like the anti golden threads. at unc it was the same, good talent, ****ty game day coaching. as far as chud, since i mentioned him, if you wanna see some horrible offensive gameplans, just go watch some of his games here. talent, and talent alone made that chump look decent.

so no, butch wouldn't have been a better hire. having said that, if should hire him to some bull**** title like alabama does with their 80 coaches and be put in charge of recruiting evaluation, but for the love of god keep him away from the field on game days.

So who put together a better NCAA football team than Butch Davis.

I'll stay on the line......

 

[jtaz34]

god, the two names i hate seeing around here are butch davis and rob chudzinski. Everyone seems to romanticize that they were some kind of gods here. butch, while having one of the best eyes for talent, was an equally worse game day coach. i remember threads on grassy that sounded like the anti golden threads. at unc it was the same, good talent, ****ty game day coaching. as far as chud, since i mentioned him, if you wanna see some horrible offensive gameplans, just go watch some of his games here. talent, and talent alone made that chump look decent.

so no, butch wouldn't have been a better hire. having said that, if should hire him to some bull**** title like alabama does with their 80 coaches and be put in charge of recruiting evaluation, but for the love of god keep him away from the field on game days.

So who put together a better NCAA football team than Butch Davis.

I'll stay on the line......

butch put together the best collection of future nfl talent, yes, but his TEAMS weren't that good. his TEAMS never play to their level of talent. like i said, i'd take him as a talent scout/recruiting director type but not as a head coach.

 

[Green5]

Would he have taken 6 years to get to 10+ wins again, or would he have actually had immediate results this time around?