Butch Davis was the Right Choice

[Southcane]

Not sure why anyone would want to torture themselves about who the coach should have been. Richt will be here for a long time no matter how upset you are.

You are talking in hypotheticals when you speculate how another coach would have done thus far this year with
1. The most immobile QB in the NCAA and a bench so bad no one can take his starting spot
2. An Oline that doesnt have the skill set to perform vs good P5 teams
3. Below avr RBs
4. The 2 best D players getting tossed along with a proven backup
5. A secondary with one standout player and pretty much that's it

Richt has won before on a consistent basis and is a proven recruiter which is the life blood of this game.

Way too early for this kind of talk 7 games into Richt's 1st year.

I started liking your post reading the first two lines but then it went downhill from there. You start bashing every player we had, calling Yearby and Walton below average which is BS, typical throwing kids under the bus argument. It is not the kids fault if they were not developed or put in the right scheme to succeed. Yearby was one of the two best RB's in Dade/Broward and was committed to FSU before James Coley got him to flip. Now he is below average player. You could have defended Richt you know without throwing the kids under the bus. Remind me of how Golden got defended here by fans using the same argument.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

 

[Unsider]

I should have, could have, would have married Kate Moss...

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

Good luck getting them to understand any of that. Grassy was a cesspool. They wanted Butch gone all the way through 2000 when they blamed him for the Washington loss and the final score of the Louisiana Tech game. But no one takes credit for any of that. Now you hear all of them say how patient they were as Butch built up the program.

That's why this board is just pure entertainment. The bad asses who act like they know everything were the same people trashing Butch when we actually had him. No one takes any of those people seriously.

 

[k9cane]

I wonder what Butch's philosophy would've been in terms of what type of offense he would run. College football has changed a bit in terms of tempo and many teams going spread since he last coached. Would he have adapted to that?

It's really a shame he didn't fulfill his destiny at UM and bolted to Cleveland. He had a lot of early foibles at UM( he was literally the worst clock/game manager Ive seen at Miami) but he built a powerhouse by 2000. History has shown that talent procurement was the least of his issues

 

[ncncanes]

People forget who Butch hired as his OC ,,,,,, they call him "Clappy"

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

People forget who Butch hired as his OC ,,,,,, they call him "Clappy"

Oh, that was another gem. We went out to Washington and lost 34-29, and they wanted to fire the offensive coordinator.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Butch was the right hire.

So many butthurt girly-boys because he got screwed on his contract and left.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Butch was the right hire.

So many butthurt girly-boys because he got screwed on his contract and left.

And now he's making us pay by building a dynasty at..........

 

[rt cane]

The butch d*ck lickers are out in full force I see... if he wanted to coach at Miami then he shouldn't have bolted. We wouldn't have had to endure our decline from the remaking of our dynasty if he hadn't left after the 2000 season.

It never fails that the same guys who hate Butch, loved Al Golden.

 

[TRock305]

Butch's record vs. Va Tech:

@ Miami: 1-5 (didn't win one until his last season);
@ UNC: 1-3... actually 0-4, that win was vacated.

Total: 1-9. Yes, having him on the sideline Thursday would've made all the difference. You people are insane.

You seem to conveniently forget that UM went into a manpower HOLE. But he pulled us out of that hole and built the best college team EVER.

Then, UNC at that time, had won like four games the year before he got there - they were NEVER a football power - and it was his teams that started kicking UM's *** when they played us - an entirely new experience.

You want to measure Butch when he was standing in a four foot deep hole. Twice.

Bunch of swishy-tailed panty waists who select their data.

Should have hired Butch.

Richt looking more like Radar on the sideline. No emotion. NOTHING!

At least Butch would have everyone fighting and clawing every play to win.

Never let facts get in the way of fantasy. I apologize. Please go back to doing whatever it is that you do when visions of butchie are dancing in your head. Just keep it private.

 

[Meat]

Lol

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Al Golden was quite simply the worst head coach in College Football. Dorito was the worst D Coordinator ever! Art Kehoe was putrid. I don't understand how Richt can be judged in 7 games yet they lost Quan and Grace because they wanted to drive Ferraris and then lied about it.These are Al's players except for the true freshman LBs and Richards.

Kaaya with this offensive line? Fail! No chance he sacked himself on 1 play Thursday night. 8 sacks! Try the wildcat anything to change things up can't block worth a **** why not? Whatever they are trying to do a 180 is necessary and fast.

You can criticize the play calling but something is really wrong. All starts with the moose up front dominate line of scrimmage that is not happening this year. Richt doesn't trust his offense at all he even said he is afraid of getting Kaaya killed!

Old Canes fans this OLIne is worse than 1994 version where Frank Costa got pummeled vs Nebraska. That game was the worst display of OLine play I have ever seen until this season. I bet only 1 out of 5 starters even play next season with The LSU Xfer Brown eligible.

 

[FlipT]

Butch Davis loses with this OL.I cant imagine he could do better a job than Diaz has done in year 1 with the D. I wish some of these Butch fans were at those Big East games in late 90s when fans were about to burn him on a stake at midfield!

 

[GaCane1213]

This turned into a ****storm

 

[TheEye]

We should've went with Fuente truthfully

How anybody negs this is beyond me.

Fuente was uttered in the same breath as Herman, so VT got a good one. No doubt. I'll accept those who wanted Fuente over Richt, except there would have been some hesitation by the admins on one level. We were just coming off firing a coach from a lower level program (Temple) vs. hiring one from a high level program (UGA.) Richt already had history of communicating with the school from being offered in the past due to being alumni.

Hindsight is 20/20. Richt was, in fact, offered the position BEFORE he was fired. He just took it afterwards, because the guy is loyal to his current employer vs. his alma mater. (Unlike Al Golden.)

 

[paksat]

Al Golden was quite simply the worst head coach in College Football. Dorito was the worst D Coordinator ever! Art Kehoe was putrid. I don't understand how Richt can be judged in 7 games yet they lost Quan and Grace because they wanted to drive Ferraris and then lied about it.These are Al's players except for the true freshman LBs and Richards.

Kaaya with this offensive line? Fail! No chance he sacked himself on 1 play Thursday night. 8 sacks! Try the wildcat anything to change things up can't block worth a **** why not? Whatever they are trying to do a 180 is necessary and fast.

You can criticize the play calling but something is really wrong. All starts with the moose up front dominate line of scrimmage that is not happening this year. Richt doesn't trust his offense at all he even said he is afraid of getting Kaaya killed!

Old Canes fans this OLIne is worse than 1994 version where Frank Costa got pummeled vs Nebraska. That game was the worst display of OLine play I have ever seen until this season. I bet only 1 out of 5 starters even play next season with The LSU Xfer Brown eligible.

I'd do it

get rid of all 5 of these motherfukers, 4 frosh start and the transfer

clean house

 

[TemplarCane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "disseminated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

That 1995 team also lost a number of players from the season before, notably Warren Sapp on defense. The year started with a green RS Freshman QB in Ryan Clement. Two of the three losses in that 4-3 start were to teams that finished ranked in the Top 10, and both losses were on the road. Ironically, the team also had a awful OL.

You need to credit Butch for turning the season around after a 1-3 start, by winning seven straight and a Big East title with an 8-3 record. NCAA sanctions took away a bowl game.

I do not think Butch would have been the correct hire this past offseason but we should acknowledge the negative and the positive if we're going to have this discussion.

Let's see if Mark Richt can pull off a similar in-season turnaround. I have my doubts.

 

[TemplarCane]

We should've went with Fuente truthfully

How anybody negs this is beyond me.

Fuente was uttered in the same breath as Herman, so VT got a good one. No doubt. I'll accept those who wanted Fuente over Richt, except there would have been some hesitation by the admins on one level. We were just coming off firing a coach from a lower level program (Temple) vs. hiring one from a high level program (UGA.) Richt already had history of communicating with the school from being offered in the past due to being alumni.

Hindsight is 20/20. Richt was, in fact, offered the position BEFORE he was fired. He just took it afterwards, because the guy is loyal to his current employer vs. his alma mater. (Unlike Al Golden.)

I think VT targeted Fuente immediately when Beamer announced he his retirement. Did they interview anyone else? Did Fuente interview with any other programs?

To their credit, VT saw what they wanted and went out and got it.

 

[Soul Cane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

You're 100% wrong.

The entire Miami athletic program knew they were going to get hammered with sanctions in '94. Miami therefore voluntarily surrendered 7 scholarships for the '95 season before official sanctions hit. So yes, Miami was dealing with scholarship restrictions in Butch's first year.

And the sanctions weren't the only reason why Erickson jumped ship to the Hawks. The other was Erickson knew with the '94 seniors graduating, Sapp going pro, and his lack of recruiting, the team was going to take a serious talent hit in talent. To this day, many Hurricane fans don't realize how poor of a recruiter Erickson was and how much he benefited from inheriting JJ's recruits. Erickson's last two recruiting classes were just abysmal. And his '93 class (considered to be his best) turned out to be overrated. Erickson alienating a good portion of South Florida HS didn't end up paying dividends for the program as many Miami HS studs went on to star at other programs, especially FSU during their glory years.

And no, Davis didn't inherit a top 10 roster in '95. Far from it. The team had 5 seniors. The DT postion in '95 was atrocious and much worse than what the Canes have today. The '95 team was weak at CB and OL. Collins and Clement weren't NFL caliber QBs. The team had poor depth with major drop off in talent after the 1st string

Even if Miami had never been put on probation, Miami was heading toward a downward spiral due to a lack of talent. If Dennis coached the team in '95, they still would have been reamed by FSU and UCLA. And Erickson knew it.