Bruce Feldman Says a Loss to UL puts Golden on THE HOT SEAT

So we lose to Louisville but win coastal. Fire Golden.... Wait

Sorry...but in year 4 of a regime at Miami you shouldn't be losing to THAT Louisville team.

Winning the ****ty *** coastal wouldn't make that any better of a loss.....no matter how much sunshine the Don Bailey Jr disciples want to shine on it.

If we lose to L'ville, we're not winning the Coastal.

^^^this. That's the real problem with losing to them. If we lose to Louisville, there is no margin of error - you most likely have to win every other ACC game including FSU in order to win the Coastal. Obviously, we want to win them all anyway.
 
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The program would really have to regress for AG to be on the hot seat. He's steadily improved things incrementally each year all while we had the death penalty hovering over us. We've only known our fate for far less than a year now, and we're currently on probation and under scholarship restrictions. We've also given up bowl and ACCCG games which hurt recruiting. With all that, which he inherited and didn't cause, and everything he's endured, he's going to have a long *** leash. The recent rash of recruiting commitments is going to help his case as well. Honestly, I think we're a lot closer to "lucky to have him" than he is from the "hot seat" right now.
 
The program would really have to regress for AG to be on the hot seat. He's steadily improved things incrementally each year all while we had the death penalty hovering over us. We've only known our fate for far less than a year now, and we're currently on probation and under scholarship restrictions. We've also given up bowl and ACCCG games which hurt recruiting. With all that, which he inherited and didn't cause, and everything he's endured, he's going to have a long *** leash. The recent rash of recruiting commitments is going to help his case as well. Honestly, I think we're a lot closer to "lucky to have him" than he is from the "hot seat" right now.

His defense has been historically bad the last two years. If it doesn't improve, he should be firmly on the hot seat. End of story.

I don't care about recruiting and the Cloud and all that, there is no excuse for the defense being as bad as it has been.
 
If Louisville blows Miami out, Golden will definitely be on the hot seat. But if it's a close loss with the defense showing improvement then I think his job would be safe for the time being.
 
The program would really have to regress for AG to be on the hot seat. He's steadily improved things incrementally each year all while we had the death penalty hovering over us. We've only known our fate for far less than a year now, and we're currently on probation and under scholarship restrictions. We've also given up bowl and ACCCG games which hurt recruiting. With all that, which he inherited and didn't cause, and everything he's endured, he's going to have a long *** leash. The recent rash of recruiting commitments is going to help his case as well. Honestly, I think we're a lot closer to "lucky to have him" than he is from the "hot seat" right now.

His defense has been historically bad the last two years. If it doesn't improve, he should be firmly on the hot seat. End of story.

I don't care about recruiting and the Cloud and all that, there is no excuse for the defense being as bad as it has been.

zook had great recruiting at UF, they still fired his *** for not winning enough.

It's not just enough to have shepherded the program through a tough time. He earned a great deal of a bank account for that. But then he went out and got drunk and spent almost all of it during the fling with psu, not calling back his wife known as um until his one night stand dumped him back home. Account depleted. Now go mow the lawn
 
I know exactly why they expect him to lose.

There is a difference in losing the fans vs. the team, and also losing the fans vs. the administration.

He won't lose any after one game.
- he already lost the fans
- administration won't react after one game
- teams don't lose faith one game into a season

He has to win games to stick around. Losing the Louisville game will not create the drama many are starting in here.

You are kidding yourself AI if he loses this game like he did the bowl game. Now I don't think that will happen, but if it did it would play out bad for him.

So you mean CIS and other Cane websites will be flooded with anti-Golden rhetoric and upheaval? Former players and local coaches and media will hate on him?

The torrent of negativity is already bubbling and many jackals are merely waiting to see what happens before going all in. Many of those still on the fence will join the legion of the miserable if we lose to UL. It'll get ugly fast.

You underestimate the power of a hopeless fan base. Many were saying the same stuff you are before the fans got Coker and Shannon fired.

Chise, not underestimating anything with the fan base. Lots of smart fans having strong opinions based on on the field performance. Lots of angry fans frustrated from years of mediocrity - some yelling 4 years like Golden got the keys to a Ferrari and turned it into a Yugo, others just tired of not being great. But there are also a lot of loud mouth idiots who ran their mouth that have been getting their ****s knocked in for 10 years now following the previous 10-15 years of being the biggest ******** you ever dealt with.


Fans will not be happy with a loss. Many won't be happy with a win. But flying a banner after game 1 may look more like the Fire Butch banner than the Randy USF protest to both the administration and the pundits. I also feel the losing the team talks after 1 game is a huge exaggeration.


******** and schtick dealers around here like my stalker Zone "I love Stephen Morris" 3Cane mistake me for a Golden apologist because I don't want every thread deteriorated into bull****, but make no mistake - Golden needs to win ******* football games. A lot of them.

Angry, I don't see it as a flying banners situation after one game. I see it more of a rapidly burning fuse ignited in game one with a loss. Let's face it. UL is far from a top club this year especially early breaking in 3 new systems and new players at key positions.

A loss would light the fuse that would look like a stick of dynamite being held by the beleaguered Wyle E. Coyote. Remember how fast that fuse would burn on that poor smuck?

UM fans are sick of the same old ****, and their bull**** detectors are dialed all the way in. Lose to a middle of the road UL team, and smart fans will likely see a nearly insurmountable ACC coastal with the ease of some of our opponents' ACC coastal schedules. For everyone's sanity, let's hope like **** for a win against UL.
 
If Louisville blows Miami out, Golden will definitely be on the hot seat. But if it's a close loss with the defense showing improvement then I think his job would be safe for the time being.

Sick of hearing this new lame mantra of "just don't get blown out by Louisville and all is well." That **** is as limp and faygotty as licking toilets at a *** bar. When did playing a middle of the road team tough become the benchmark for success at UM? Get your expectations out of the sewer, fella.
 
The seat is neither hot nor cold right now. It is a weird in between state of flux. In the opinion of the admin, if he loses to Louisville in a respectable showing (10 points or less) his seat will barely start to warm up. If he gets his brain bashed in like the Russell Athletic Bowl, the seat will officially be classified as warm. The Board of Trustees in particular wants to win immediately. Getting embarrassed on national TV again will melt away their already waning faith. While I hope/expect a 34-31 Miami win, if we assume the team loses, margin of defeat and quality of play will be the most closely analyzed factor rather than just the score alone.

President Shalala was ****ed about Penn State. It made her look incompetent. Her employee was MIA and not responding to the school. I've said it before and I'll say it again but her quote of, "We don't know anything yet." to the media about 5 hours after Blake James said he was chit chatting with Al regularly should tell you all you need to know.

The admin loved Golden. LOVED him. They gave him the world while here, by their standards, and he dealt with the NCAA during that saga. Penn State was viewed as a betrayal by them. The unity that they thought they had developed was tarnished. The office, both the athletic office and academic office, was flooded with bashing Al Golden emails when he came back. In Miami history, coaches that have left since we've been The U have either been pro football bound or fired. For Golden to look at another college job, alma mater or not, after getting the sweetest, highest paying contract for a football coach in school history, and getting placed on a pedestal after winning nothing was infuriating to many.

The admin knows the team is good enough to win 11 games with relative ease. Golden has personally pumped up how great the team is to them with quality, highly sought after players at every position. Questions at various positions including OL and QB mean nothing to the admin. Every team has questions and they know he was supposed to, by his own analysis, have above average talent at both positions. The man in charge told them how good the team is going to be this year. Therefore, the admin expects to win this year and win big. He talked a big game. They think it's time for him to deliver. Many people on here are pretty split on whether he will or wont.

Assuming the season does tank, fan response would be a major contributor as to whether Golden was retained. A lot of boosters were enraged about Penn State. These boosters are fans of the University of Miami first and foremost and it appeared to them that Golden made the school look bad in favor of an inferior institution in Penn State. Golden still has some important, high profile people on his side, but they want wins now. Season ticket sales be damned. If people stop going if the season tanks, which I hope it doesn't, and there is a USF like showing for the Pittsburgh game, the fanbase is clearly unhappy and the sports admin will have to act. The fans have dictated team direction. Coker was fired when we wanted him fired. Shannon was fired when we wanted him fired. Golden will go the same route when he loses the fans completely. And so far, the fans have been right in these scenarios.

Whoever said that finding another coach would be difficult is full of it and should go root for another team. This is and should be a destination job, not a stepping stone. When Golden was missing, multiple coaches and outstanding coaches at that were inquiring about the position. This is very different from past coaching changes. Nobody wanted to replace Shannon because talent was thin and expectations unfair. If anything would scare coaches away, it would be the firing of Coker with his 59-15 record, national championship, and high graduation rates. From the admin's perspective, they are dedicated to winning, a point many people here debate. They just pumped in $40,000,000 to upgrade the facilities and make us competitive recruiting wise. The buyout would not stunt that amount of money. Do you think a school with limited financial resources is going to invest that much while having a coach that isn't winning and fans have lost faith in? If so, then I guess the admin isn't dedicated to winning, which I can tell you is an outright falsehood. Furthermore, the admin doesn't feel we would be starting over. This isn't Shannon taking over for Coker where talent was thin or Golden taking over for Shannon where talent was even thinner. The roster is stacked, almost top to bottom, with an enormous amount of talent. 2015 is satisfactory to most and 2016 is ridiculously good. While early, many in the admin believe the class could be maintained enough with certain delicate changes.

People making the Butch comparisons with banners and records need to stop. The situations aren't even close to similar.

So I'll say it again. Golden is on a neutral, room temperature seat right now. Losing to Louisville wont heat it up anymore than a rough loss would. Getting blown out, again, would be giving it some noticeable warmth. But the admin is cautiously optimistic that this season will be an overwhelming success, as they should be. They expect wins this year and they think that Al Golden will deliver them this year.

this is great insight and it seem reasonable to me.

just a minor point about golden betraying the president and the AD during the penn state flirt session. this may be true, however, didn't the school betray him by not advising him of the shapiro issue when they hired him? if i'm golden there was little to no loyalty after that "failure to communicate". he might have felt that he owed UM nothing. just saying.
Yep he may have felt that way and now the school sure as **** feel they owe him nothing in return. It goes around and comes around like a Hoola hoop
 
You are kidding yourself AI if he loses this game like he did the bowl game. Now I don't think that will happen, but if it did it would play out bad for him.

So you mean CIS and other Cane websites will be flooded with anti-Golden rhetoric and upheaval? Former players and local coaches and media will hate on him?

The torrent of negativity is already bubbling and many jackals are merely waiting to see what happens before going all in. Many of those still on the fence will join the legion of the miserable if we lose to UL. It'll get ugly fast.

You underestimate the power of a hopeless fan base. Many were saying the same stuff you are before the fans got Coker and Shannon fired.

Chise, not underestimating anything with the fan base. Lots of smart fans having strong opinions based on on the field performance. Lots of angry fans frustrated from years of mediocrity - some yelling 4 years like Golden got the keys to a Ferrari and turned it into a Yugo, others just tired of not being great. But there are also a lot of loud mouth idiots who ran their mouth that have been getting their ****s knocked in for 10 years now following the previous 10-15 years of being the biggest ******** you ever dealt with.


Fans will not be happy with a loss. Many won't be happy with a win. But flying a banner after game 1 may look more like the Fire Butch banner than the Randy USF protest to both the administration and the pundits. I also feel the losing the team talks after 1 game is a huge exaggeration.


******** and schtick dealers around here like my stalker Zone "I love Stephen Morris" 3Cane mistake me for a Golden apologist because I don't want every thread deteriorated into bull****, but make no mistake - Golden needs to win ******* football games. A lot of them.

Angry, I don't see it as a flying banners situation after one game. I see it more of a rapidly burning fuse ignited in game one with a loss. Let's face it. UL is far from a top club this year especially early breaking in 3 new systems and new players at key positions.

A loss would light the fuse that would look like a stick of dynamite being held by the beleaguered Wyle E. Coyote. Remember how fast that fuse would burn on that poor smuck?

UM fans are sick of the same old ****, and their bull**** detectors are dialed all the way in. Lose to a middle of the road UL team, and smart fans will likely see a nearly insurmountable ACC coastal with the ease of some of our opponents' ACC coastal schedules. For everyone's sanity, let's hope like **** for a win against UL.

I'm with you on this.
 
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As much as I think we're improving personnel wise, I'm still unsure about this staffs development, schemes and game day coaching. They've showed me nothing to indicate they are wily coordinators. To be honest, if we lose to L'ville and Neb, I'd bring in Schiano early to so that he'll be able to rescue the recruiting class.
 
The program would really have to regress for AG to be on the hot seat. He's steadily improved things incrementally each year all while we had the death penalty hovering over us. We've only known our fate for far less than a year now, and we're currently on probation and under scholarship restrictions. We've also given up bowl and ACCCG games which hurt recruiting. With all that, which he inherited and didn't cause, and everything he's endured, he's going to have a long *** leash. The recent rash of recruiting commitments is going to help his case as well. Honestly, I think we're a lot closer to "lucky to have him" than he is from the "hot seat" right now.

His defense has been historically bad the last two years. If it doesn't improve, he should be firmly on the hot seat. End of story.

I don't care about recruiting and the Cloud and all that, there is no excuse for the defense being as bad as it has been.

You don't care about recruiting? Talent and players have zero relevancy? Interesting concept!
 
So you mean CIS and other Cane websites will be flooded with anti-Golden rhetoric and upheaval? Former players and local coaches and media will hate on him?

The torrent of negativity is already bubbling and many jackals are merely waiting to see what happens before going all in. Many of those still on the fence will join the legion of the miserable if we lose to UL. It'll get ugly fast.

You underestimate the power of a hopeless fan base. Many were saying the same stuff you are before the fans got Coker and Shannon fired.

Chise, not underestimating anything with the fan base. Lots of smart fans having strong opinions based on on the field performance. Lots of angry fans frustrated from years of mediocrity - some yelling 4 years like Golden got the keys to a Ferrari and turned it into a Yugo, others just tired of not being great. But there are also a lot of loud mouth idiots who ran their mouth that have been getting their ****s knocked in for 10 years now following the previous 10-15 years of being the biggest ******** you ever dealt with.


Fans will not be happy with a loss. Many won't be happy with a win. But flying a banner after game 1 may look more like the Fire Butch banner than the Randy USF protest to both the administration and the pundits. I also feel the losing the team talks after 1 game is a huge exaggeration.


******** and schtick dealers around here like my stalker Zone "I love Stephen Morris" 3Cane mistake me for a Golden apologist because I don't want every thread deteriorated into bull****, but make no mistake - Golden needs to win ****ing football games. A lot of them.

Angry, I don't see it as a flying banners situation after one game. I see it more of a rapidly burning fuse ignited in game one with a loss. Let's face it. UL is far from a top club this year especially early breaking in 3 new systems and new players at key positions.

A loss would light the fuse that would look like a stick of dynamite being held by the beleaguered Wyle E. Coyote. Remember how fast that fuse would burn on that poor smuck?

UM fans are sick of the same old ****, and their bull**** detectors are dialed all the way in. Lose to a middle of the road UL team, and smart fans will likely see a nearly insurmountable ACC coastal with the ease of some of our opponents' ACC coastal schedules. For everyone's sanity, let's hope like **** for a win against UL.

I'm with you on this.

LOL at those lines by franchise.
 
The program would really have to regress for AG to be on the hot seat. He's steadily improved things incrementally each year all while we had the death penalty hovering over us. We've only known our fate for far less than a year now, and we're currently on probation and under scholarship restrictions. We've also given up bowl and ACCCG games which hurt recruiting. With all that, which he inherited and didn't cause, and everything he's endured, he's going to have a long *** leash. The recent rash of recruiting commitments is going to help his case as well. Honestly, I think we're a lot closer to "lucky to have him" than he is from the "hot seat" right now.

His defense has been historically bad the last two years. If it doesn't improve, he should be firmly on the hot seat. End of story.

I don't care about recruiting and the Cloud and all that, there is no excuse for the defense being as bad as it has been.

You don't care about recruiting? Talent and players have zero relevancy? Interesting concept!

Then why has the defense gotten worse from year 1 with Shannon's players? Unless you're saying we've basically gotten nobody talented into the program the last few years.
 
Pretty sure, bbcane, that Jimbo, Muschump, Miles, Maya, ad naseaum, who come to S Fl and homeschool Golden in recruiting every year, DON'T say "And look at what they say on the WEZ!" as the difference maker in their pitch.

Pretty sure they say "Look at that 7-5 team that can't do better than thrid in the Coastal".
 
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Warm but not hot. No matter what, Golden stays this year. He may have to fire most of his staff, particularly his friend and anyone else on the defensive side. However, Miami would look like dog $#!t if they axed Golden after the media $#!t storm it had to deal with.
 
Great recruiting + bad head coaching = Ron Zook.

All the dudes who only care about recruiting need to realize at some point within 4 years you need to see that recruiting prowess pay off on the football field.
 
Great recruiting + bad head coaching = Ron Zook.

All the dudes who only care about recruiting need to realize at some point within 4 years you need to see that recruiting prowess pay off on the football field.

Agreed. And, I'm still not sold on Golden as a great recruiter. Good recruiter, yeah. Thus far, good recruiter + bad coaching = Al Golden
 
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