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Breeding Softness.

JMG said:
Mel Tucker used to sleep under his desk when he was a grad assistant. The guys tough because he became completely obsessed with becoming a champion of his profession.

We need someone who is willing to go THAT far.
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Love that. Sounds like he’s cut from the same cloth as Orgeron…total football guy.
 
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LemonPepperWings said:
Never said he was a great coach. I said the team is tough because he is tough and that’s obvious in the change of production in their running game. You run the ball effectively, you control the game. I know CFB has changed a lot in the last 15 years but you still need to be able to run the ball and they’re honestly pretty great at it.
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Great at it against…

Let’s see how tough they are against actual competition

I mean they’re barely favored over Rutgers next week
 
supacane said:
I picked out 6 teams, going into week 6 of the college football season.

Iowa, 42nd composite ranking, 3rd in the AP poll,

Cinci 53rd, 5th,

BYU 93rd, 10th.

Mich St, 36th, 11th

Ok St 46th, 12th

Kentucky, 31st, 14th.

Miami, 12, unranked, losing record.

Our players are soft. Diaz personality has been smeared onto them, they go on social media and complain about fans and them getting criticized. They complain about fans not showing up. Yet they don't talk about the pain fans sit through watching UNC beat us to sleep at home giving up 800 yards. They speak nothing of getting tougher, of not being blown out at home. They feel sorry for themselves. They post pictures of other schools stadiums, or people saying how loud it was at UGA

When we played ND in 2017, their players said thats the loudest place they have every played in, they are players who played in the big house and at Penn State. Give the fans something to show up for. No you don't have to win titles, toughness, fight, punch someone in the mouth to swing momentum. Our RBs inability to break tackles is emblematic of our lack of toughness.

Aint nobody gonna guilt trip me into going to watch a bad product that makes my weekends miserable. We have nothing to be proud of as canes fan. We are a national embarrassment. Every game i take the hour trip to go to, and i always of to take off work, i feel miserable for days. And for the people who think telling people who stop going that they have no right to complain, that's hurting Miami more than the fans. Cuz you rather anger over apathy and thats what comes next.

Manny Diaz has had 3 offseason to change the mentality of our players. They claim its recruiting, no u can change the mentality, u dont need recruits to do that. We don't have a talent problem, we have a softness problem. And its coming from the HC. The teams i wrote above have no business being where they are even if i don't expect them to maintain it all season, getting there with their talent is an achievement. Thats through coaching, training and conditioning. Fans cant teach you how to block and tackle. You can't be a 5th year SR still taking bad angles and busting coverages, as well as diving into stiff arms instead of driving your feet. No fan can teach you that. No fan can teach you how to pass off a DL stunt so you wont get the QB killed.

If you wanna say fans can affect recruits coming, fine, have it. I would say the on field play is more critical. But ok, keep that. The players on the field though. They are soft af.
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We have a talent AND Softness problem.

Please tell me who on that defense is remotely a tough guy....the 1 who probably is ...an undersized Nesta Silvera who grew up better tahn anyone else in the group but has an edge to him.

On offense our whole oline is soft....there isnt a tough guy there or a guy that i think would get in a fight lol
 
LemonPepperWings said:
Love that. Sounds like he’s cut from the same cloth as Orgeron…total football guy.
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I remember my homie told Ed Orgeron to get the f)ck out of our room..when we were at a lineman camp as hs juniors and Orgeron would come and wake us up in the morning screaming and spitting in our face mumbling random words together. lol

*Cool story..but we were some south florida savages so we were a little different.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Another guy with a pedigree. GA and coached for Saban; coached for Jim Tressel; coached for Jack Del Rio at Jacksonville; DC for Lovie Smith at Chicago; back to Saban; DC for Smart.
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This sh*t is HILARIOUS.

Mel f*ckn Tucker was literally a clown labeled on the board and other boards with ppl actually wondering how the heck he got the jobs you listed above.

He beats us and now folks think he is Don Juan Shula.

NEWSFLASH.....WE SUCK.
 
It' not necessarily physical toughness, although we have none of that obviously.....It is the mental toughness that is lacking. Any little thing that goes wrong snowballs into another little thing then into another little thing and before you know it you've given up 700 rushing yards or you're down 21-0.

Defenses specifically have to know that offences are going to gain yards and get first downs. It's ok, that is how the game is setup. The whole goal of the defense is to keep them from scoring TD's. I think sometimes our defense expects to stuff every play and they get demoralized when they don't and by the time the offence reaches the red zone they are mentally destroyed and quite easily give of the TD.

I don't know, I am just ranting here a bit on how the game has change.

Bottom line is this team is poorly coached and poorly prepared for what they will face in games. Maybe in 10 years Manny will be ready which is why I wish we let him go to Temple to cut his teeth so to say.
 
gogeta4 said:
This sh*t is HILARIOUS.

Mel f*ckn Tucker was literally a clown labeled on the board and other boards with ppl actually wondering how the heck he got the jobs you listed above.

He beats us and now folks think he is Don Juan Shula.

NEWSFLASH.....WE SUCK.
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He nothing to do with beating Miami. Coached for Saban at MSU and LSU. Coached for Tressel, yes, in 2002. Time in the NFL. Back with Saban in 2015. Ran a top defense in 2017 and a Top 20 defense in 2018 at Georgia. MSU is much improved.

The point is where a guy like Tucker has coached and for who matters. He has coached for very good programs and good coaches.

Bad candidate for Miami. That was not my point.
 
supacane said:
I picked out 6 teams, going into week 6 of the college football season.

Iowa, 42nd composite ranking, 3rd in the AP poll,

Cinci 53rd, 5th,

BYU 93rd, 10th.

Mich St, 36th, 11th

Ok St 46th, 12th

Kentucky, 31st, 14th.

Miami, 12, unranked, losing record.

Our players are soft. Diaz personality has been smeared onto them, they go on social media and complain about fans and them getting criticized. They complain about fans not showing up. Yet they don't talk about the pain fans sit through watching UNC beat us to sleep at home giving up 800 yards. They speak nothing of getting tougher, of not being blown out at home. They feel sorry for themselves. They post pictures of other schools stadiums, or people saying how loud it was at UGA

When we played ND in 2017, their players said thats the loudest place they have every played in, they are players who played in the big house and at Penn State. Give the fans something to show up for. No you don't have to win titles, toughness, fight, punch someone in the mouth to swing momentum. Our RBs inability to break tackles is emblematic of our lack of toughness.

Aint nobody gonna guilt trip me into going to watch a bad product that makes my weekends miserable. We have nothing to be proud of as canes fan. We are a national embarrassment. Every game i take the hour trip to go to, and i always of to take off work, i feel miserable for days. And for the people who think telling people who stop going that they have no right to complain, that's hurting Miami more than the fans. Cuz you rather anger over apathy and thats what comes next.

Manny Diaz has had 3 offseason to change the mentality of our players. They claim its recruiting, no u can change the mentality, u dont need recruits to do that. We don't have a talent problem, we have a softness problem. And its coming from the HC. The teams i wrote above have no business being where they are even if i don't expect them to maintain it all season, getting there with their talent is an achievement. Thats through coaching, training and conditioning. Fans cant teach you how to block and tackle. You can't be a 5th year SR still taking bad angles and busting coverages, as well as diving into stiff arms instead of driving your feet. No fan can teach you that. No fan can teach you how to pass off a DL stunt so you wont get the QB killed.

If you wanna say fans can affect recruits coming, fine, have it. I would say the on field play is more critical. But ok, keep that. The players on the field though. They are soft af.
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Excellent post.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
He nothing to do with beating Miami. Coached for Saban at MSU and LSU. Coached for Tressel, yes, in 2002. Time in the NFL. Back with Saban in 2015. Ran a top defense in 2017 and a Top 20 defense in 2018 at Georgia. MSU is much improved.

The point is where a guy like Tucker has coached and for who matters. He has coached for very good programs and good coaches.

Bad candidate for Miami. That was not my point.
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A Journey man coach who has made alot of stops in big college programs and in the NFL would do for me, even if they are not flashy. That's why i wouldn't mind Schiano at this point.
 
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supacane said:
That's why i wouldn't mind Schiano at this point.
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Schiano's a good coach, but sending a statement out via your attorney about allegations of witnessing a child get raped at ped state doesn't do it for me. I want to win, but not at the expense of ignoring human rights abuses.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
Schiano's a good coach, but sending a statement out via your attorney about allegations of witnessing a child get raped at ped state doesn't do it for me. I want to win, but not at the expense of ignoring human rights abuses.
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Was he involved though? I dont think so. Those are sensitive topics, i can see why he would not wanna comment personally.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Bad candidate for Miami.
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I disagree, He would've been a waaaaaaay better hire than Diaz as a first time CFB HC. And we would've probably landed some of those top local DBs that we whiffed on.

Contrary to popular belief, recruits don't just go to schools like Bama & Georgia for the bag, they also want to play for coaches who take their craft seriously.
 
Rellyrell said:
Imma go back to something I said in another thread:

I asked of u all, how is it that 247 have misevaluated all of our players, but hit the nail on the head w/ the all of the other recruits from other programs?

I don’t blame our kids, I blame this f’d up culture that they’ve been exposed to. Some scoffed at me when I said I can almost guarantee that Shaq would’ve been a 1st - 2nd round prospect had he went to Bama. What some don’t understand or maybe have forgotten, what made us so great was not just our players, but it was the culture the players were exposed to. Our practices were dang near game day, which is y I take the limited info provided during the off season regarding our current practices w/ a grain of salt.

The culture from the top all the way to the bottom is f’d. We have the talent, especially the younger kids. I hate seeing Elijah, Chantz, LT, Kinchens, Williams, X being stuck in “rotation.” I want these kids to have better.
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they didn't hit the nail everywhere else tho. **** look at Clemsons WR talent.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
I disagree, He would've been a waaaaaaay better hire than Diaz as a first time CFB HC. And we would've probably landed some of those local DBs that we whiffed on.

Contrary to popular belief, recruits don't just go to schools like Bama & Georgia for the bag, they also want to play for coaches who take their craft seriously.
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Way better than Diaz is so low you can step over it. That means nothing.

Miami does not need a first time coach or someone with only a few years of experience as the head guy. In my opinion, their resume should include a pedigree as an assistant working for very good programs under very good head coaches. As a head coach, they have ran the cycle at the previous programs and have been consistently competitive in their conference. Won their conference should be mandatory especially if they have time at a FCS or G5 program. Also, they have a large contact base to hire assistants.
 
gogeta4 said:
We have a talent AND Softness problem.

Please tell me who on that defense is remotely a tough guy....the 1 who probably is ...an undersized Nesta Silvera who grew up better tahn anyone else in the group but has an edge to him.

On offense our whole oline is soft....there isnt a tough guy there or a guy that i think would get in a fight lol
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People were saying the same **** thing in 2015 - our defense is filled with JAGS!! Then in 2016, they looked quite different with a new staff, scheme, etc.
 
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Pentagon Cane said:
Way better than Diaz is so low you can step over it. That means nothing.

Miami does not need a first time coach or someone with only a few years of experience as the head guy. In my opinion, their resume should include a pedigree as an assistant working for very good programs under very good head coaches. As a head coach, they have ran the cycle at the previous programs and have been consistently competitive in their conference. Won their conference should be mandatory especially if they have time at a FCS or G5 program. Also, they have a large contact base to hire assistants.
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I don't believe in all of those qualifiers for a HC candidate, guys with all of the above get fired every year.
 
hoops156 said:
they didn't hit the nail everywhere else tho. **** look at Clemsons WR talent.
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I would argue injuries have derailed Clemson’s WR talent. But DJ doesn’t look like a 5 star, but that really wasn’t my point.
 
skillydoo said:
Excellent post.
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to the OP, id say there's a reason feretnz has been at Iowa for 1000 years. they won't win anything of consequence, but he keeps them competitive more often than not and gets kids to the league. UK see the same for Ferentz as it can apply to stoops (tho I think stoops would fit well in Miami but I just don't see him winning and ruining that job security). Fickell is a good coach but from the national guys, he really isn't an LA guy which would basically mean he isn't a Miami guy either. I think hes vying for that OSU job. he also prefers the Midwest. talent will never be an issue at Miami as it is at Kentucky or Iowa (not including the g5 schools). MSU transformed their roster this year but id like to see them compete against the better b10 teams to see if they're legitimate or just a product of a weak schedule so far (yes Im including UM in that).

overall, we have more than enough to win, but where we lack legitimate talent is where it matters - OL and DL. we have LT Williams Harvey nesta on the DL and usually do well there, but this is the first time in a bit where we don't have an NFL quality upper classman. oL less about stars and more about development. we've got guys recruited under multiple OL coaches playing there. need some consistency in terms of a solid oL coach bringing in his guys that fit what he wants vs playing mix and match w guys from multiple OL coaches who all diff visions of what they want there.
 
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