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Cryptical Envelopment said:
He bleeds orange and green so much he would go against his best interest to be at Miami?

Funny, because I remember him ******** Miami over by taking a job here and bolting a few weeks later for a lateral job at Alabama where he recruited against us in South Florida hard.

He literally did the opposite of what you are saying. In real life. Against us. Proof of concept. No.
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Do you know Mario well enough to speak on what his best interests are? I think he can determine that on his own and it doesn’t have to agree with what you think they should be.

I think the key here is the term “financial commitment”. If there is a financial commitment to the football program he knows he can win here. How many championships has Oregon won again with more and better resources?

Not to mention he has family in Miami. was born there, went to school there, so those are other things that may factor in the decision.

He coached at Miami prior to accepting the job with Golden so let’s not pretend this was some “golden” opportunity for him that he could he not pass up. And the position he took was, obviously, not HC as being presented currently.

He seems pretty ambitious and smart so took a different path than just settle to be employed by his alma mater. He worked on his craft and learned from arguably one of the best college coaches on how a successful program is run. Nothing wrong with that and hardly would construe that as ******** UM over when he went off to Bama for a better career opportunity in his professional growth. Looks like that has worked out well for him.

Now things come full circle and an opportunity to be HC at his alma mater presents itself. And one that may not present itself again.
 
TimeBum said:
From what was reported, Cristobal had a sit down with Jimmy Johnson after he (Mario) got the Bama OL coach offer. He wasnt sure leaving UM was the right thing to do and was conflicted, but JJ advised him that if he wanted to become a better coach, he needed to go learn from the best and there was no one better than Saban. He didn't just say "f#ck you" to UM as soon as he got the Bama offer.
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You just literally described him saying "f#ck you" to Miami because he got a better offer. And then we got screwed trying to replace him after most of the better coaches had already landed somewhere. Because he f#ucked us in order to serve his own best interests. he left us high and dry.

All you did was describe why the offer was better.
 
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Salt said:
Do you know Mario well enough to speak on what his best interests are? I think he can determine that on his own and it doesn’t have to agree with what you think they should be.

I think the key here is the term “financial commitment”. If there is a financial commitment to the football program he knows he can win here. How many championships has Oregon won again with more and better resources?

Not to mention he has family in Miami. was born there, went to school there, so those are other things that may factor in the decision.

He coached at Miami prior to accepting the job with Golden so let’s not pretend this was some “golden” opportunity for him that he could he not pass up. And the position he took was, obviously, not HC as being presented currently.

He seems pretty ambitious and smart so took a different path than just settle to be employed by his alma mater. He worked on his craft and learned from arguably one of the best college coaches on how a successful program is run. Nothing wrong with that and hardly would construe that as ******** UM over when he went off to Bama for a better career opportunity in his professional growth. Looks like that has worked out well for him.

Now things come full circle and an opportunity to be HC at his alma mater presents itself. And one that may not present itself again.
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You just asked me if I "knew Mario well enough to speak on what his best interests are?" and then proceeded to speak on what his best interests are.

I also said if I am wrong and he comes I will be the happiest guy here and I will gleefully eat **** here for it. But you left that part out.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
You just asked me if I "knew Mario well enough to speak on what his best interests are?" and then proceeded to speak on what his best interests are.

I also said if I am wrong and he comes I will be the happiest guy here and I will gleefully eat **** here for it. But you left that part out.
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I am only assuming he wants to win and being close to family is important. Coming to Miami can fulfill those two.

That may or may not be what is truly in his best interests.

You implied leaving Oregon would not be in his best interests.
 
Salt said:
I am only assuming he wants to win and being close to family is important. Coming to Miami can fulfill those two.

That may or may not be what is truly in his best interests.

You implied leaving Oregon would not be in his best interests.
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I said the Miami job has been a coach killer for 20 years, isn't as good a job as Oregon is, and he would risk alienating his home town if things end up bad (as they usually do). And yes, you are assuming that he wants to move to Miami and be close to family more than serve his own career. Quite an assumption is all I am saying.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
I said the Miami job has been a coach killer for 20 years, isn't as good a job as Oregon is, and he would risk alienating his home town if things end up bad (as they usually do). And yes, you are assuming that he wants to move to Miami and be close to family more than serve his own career. Quite an assumption is all I am saying.
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How is a move to Miami with a new commitment financially to football not serving his career? How many championships has Oregon won with all that Nike money again?
 
Maybe we can replace feeley with a-rod while we are in replacement mode maybe our guys up front can find a little extra push in the run game.
 
If Butch told the next staff that he’s willing to come on and be over the recruiting process, I would sign off for that. Butch knows talent. Anything besides that role I would pass on.
 
Salt said:
How is a move to Miami with a new commitment financially to football not serving his career? How many championships has Oregon won with all that Nike money again?
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Assuming they win this year, Oregon will have won 7 of the last 12 Pac-12 Championships. This year will be three in a row if they win as expected. And they've played for the NC twice.

Funny, your question made me realize how bad WE'VE been since WE lost our Nike deal! Not that it's more than a very small slice of the reason pie for why we suck.

Since the arms race in CFB started, Oregon has won the Pac-10 7x as stated and gone to the CFB playoffs and played for the 'ship twice. Miami has what, won the crappy coastal once? To get shellacked in Atlanta?

A promised (but not guaranteed to last forever btw) "new commitment to football" is a far cry from Oregon money. Oregon money is practically unlimited. Mario is fighting a fair fight against the SEC and Big 10 etc. and has one decent recruiting foe within 1900 miles of campus. USC. Miami might get "in the game" but if you think we are going to have the ongoing resources of an Alabama, Georgia or Oregon, you're kidding yourself. The revenue and donations will never be there. We have a quarter of the alumni those schools do, and so on. I won't state the 100 obvious reasons there is difference that we all know.

You said a couple of posts ago that you "assume he wants to win." It's a lot easier to win at Oregon than Miami these days. For a myriad of reasons I've touched on all day.

Additionally the pressure at Miami will be 10x Oregon. Unless he wins big and fast at Miami, he will be unappreciated, killed in the press and public, and if it goes bad, he will ruin his rep in his hometown which will make coming home uncomfortable. That's a big deal. Oregon is WAY more laid back. And you don't have major market media (almost all of which are NOT Miami alums) who are looking to sabotage you looking over your shoulder all the time like you do in Miami.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
Assuming they win this year, Oregon will have won 7 of the last 12 Pac-12 Championships. This year will be three in a row if they win as expected. And they've played for the NC twice.

Funny, your question made me realize how bad WE'VE been since WE lost our Nike deal! Not that it's more than a very small slice of the reason pie for why we suck.

Since the arms race in CFB started, Oregon has won the Pac-10 7x as stated and gone to the CFB playoffs and played for the 'ship twice. Miami has what, won the crappy coastal once? To get shellacked in Atlanta?

A promised (but not guaranteed to last forever btw) "new commitment to football" is a far cry from Oregon money. Oregon money is practically unlimited. Mario is fighting a fair fight against the SEC and Big 10 etc. and has one decent recruiting foe within 1000 miles of campus. USC. Miami might get "in the game" but if you think we are going to have the ongoing resources of an Alabama, Georgia or Oregon, you're kidding yourself. The revenue and donations will never be there. We have a quarter of the alumni those schools do, and so on. I won't state the 100 obvious reasons there is different that we all know.

Additionally the pressure at Miami will be 10x Oregon. Unless he wins big and fast at Miami, he will be unappreciated, killed in the press and public, and if it goes bad, he will ruin his rep in his hometown which will make coming home uncomfortable. That's a big deal. Oregon is WAY more laid back. And you don't have major market media (almost all of which are NOT Miami alums) who are looking to sabotage you looking over your shoulder all the time like you do in Miami.
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Mario can win MNCs in Miami. He's probably capped at 10-win seasons in Oregon. He would be huge in Miami. He would restore our dominance in the trenches & we'd be back. He'd become a legend in the process. Right now he's doing a solid job in a small market where he's not going to win a MNC and no-one really cares or notices (outside of the PAC-12 conference and the state of Oregon). Miami offers Mario way more upside & his wife would be closer to family.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
Assuming they win this year, Oregon will have won 7 of the last 12 Pac-12 Championships. This year will be three in a row if they win as expected. And they've played for the NC twice.

Funny, your question made me realize how bad WE'VE been since WE lost our Nike deal! Not that it's more than a very small slice of the reason pie for why we suck.

Since the arms race in CFB started, Oregon has won the Pac-10 7x as stated and gone to the CFB playoffs and played for the 'ship twice. Miami has what, won the crappy coastal once? To get shellacked in Atlanta?

A promised (but not guaranteed to last forever btw) "new commitment to football" is a far cry from Oregon money. Oregon money is practically unlimited. Mario is fighting a fair fight against the SEC and Big 10 etc. and has one decent recruiting foe within 1000 miles of campus. USC. Miami might get "in the game" but if you think we are going to have the ongoing resources of an Alabama, Georgia or Oregon, you're kidding yourself. The revenue and donations will never be there. We have a quarter of the alumni those schools do, and so on. I won't state the 100 obvious reasons there is different that we all know.

You said a couple of posts ago that you "assume he wants to win." It's a lot easier to win at Oregon than Miami these days. For a myriad of reasons I've touched on all day.

Additionally the pressure at Miami will be 10x Oregon. Unless he wins big and fast at Miami, he will be unappreciated, killed in the press and public, and if it goes bad, he will ruin his rep in his hometown which will make coming home uncomfortable. That's a big deal. Oregon is WAY more laid back. And you don't have major market media (almost all of which are NOT Miami alums) who are looking to sabotage you looking over your shoulder all the time like you do in Miami.
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Oregon will always have more money and better facilities. What they don't have is our local recruiting base within just a 30 mile radius of campus that not only produces div 1 talent but NFL talent. Get competent people and pay them what they are worth to recruit, develop, and coach the local talent and we can be more successful than Oregon. Again, in it's history UM has won 5 NCs and you say Oregon has only played for 2 despite all that money? If Mario wants not just to win but play for NCs it can be done at Miami with less money just by convincing the local talent to stay home and what better guy than a local guy like Mario coming back home to sell it?
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Except he bleeds orange and green. It is actually the right time to come back to Miami. If Miami makes any type of financial commitment, he knows he can win here and win big. His ego is big enough to know after 5 failed coaches he has some time.

When they asked Bear Bryant why he came back to Alabama, he responded, "Mama is calling."

And before everybody goes, he will blow a big game every year. Clemson lost to Pitt and won a national title and lost to a bad Syracuse team and still made the college playoffs. Not the kiss of the death. And on that note give a coach that does not throw a turkey every year or every other year not named Saban?
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Saban has his share of bad losses, just fewer.

TAMU this season. Almost UF (hard to believe). LSU was close, although not really in doubt.
Auburn twice (including the Kick 6 disaster)
Ole Miss twice (consecutive years when Freeze was HC)
TAMU / Manziel
South Carolina (Spurrier)

Even the NC loss to Clemson was a turkey. 44-16 loss to a true freshman QB?

This year’s $EC title game, if they play UGA, may be a rare game where Bama is the underdog, by a few points.
 
Canegrad89 said:
Mario can win MNCs in Miami. He's probably capped at 10-win seasons in Oregon. He would be huge in Miami. He would restore our dominance in the trenches & we'd be back. He'd become a legend in the process. Right now he's doing a solid job in a small market where he's not going to win a MNC and no-one really cares or notices (outside of the PAC-12 conference and the state of Oregon). Miami offers Mario way more upside & his wife would be closer to family.
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You say things, but there is a lot of evidence against you.

"He'd be legend!"
"He would be huge!"

You're not convincing me.

Oregon small market? Huh? Their location is an ADVANTAGE. They've made themselves into being the cool school in CA, while being in OR. In Miami he will need to recruit against UF, FSU, and the entire SEC and OSU who seemingly dedicate half their recruiting budgets towards eating our lunch daily. Not to mention Miami is a big media market where, unlike every actual college town, almost none of the press have any loyalty towards UM and are watching your every move, waiting to make their name on catching you skirting the rules, especially on the trail where your comp are buying players.

Oregon is in the Pac-12, not some podunk small time conference. Miami isn't exactly in the SEC. Oregon is the coolest brand in CFB with kids, are in bed with Nike, the biggest and best sports brand on the planet, who are next door. The only school within 1500 miles of them (read that again and process that number) that can offer any real recruiting competition is USC, and they are in disarray. The next closest is, who? Oklahoma? They are a 1900+ mile drive away. Oregon had the #3 class in the country last year, beating out programs like Georgia, LSU, Clemson, TAMU, USC and ND in the rankings. So where is the disadvantage?

I see a lot of wish sandwiches and guys who "did their own research" lol.
 
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Oregon will always have more money and better facilities. What they don't have is our local recruiting base within just a 30 mile radius of campus that not only produces div 1 talent but NFL talent. Get competent people and pay them what they are worth to recruit, develop, and coach the local talent and we can be more successful than Oregon. Again, in it's history UM has won 5 NCs and you say Oregon has only played for 2 despite all that money? If Mario wants not just to win but play for NCs it can be done at Miami with less money just by convincing the local talent to stay home and what better guy than a local guy like Mario coming back home to sell it?
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You're lying to yourself.

First of all Miami hasn't done crap in 20 years, and have gotten dominated since the arms race began, this era of CFB, while Oregon, AGAIN, has won 7 Pac-12 championships, made the CFP, and played for the NC twice. Stop. Wake up. This is a new era. The world has changed.

In Miami Mario will need to recruit against UF, FSU, and the entire SEC and OSU who seemingly dedicate half their recruiting budgets towards eating our lunch daily. There may be a lot of players here, but there are 10 major, major well funded programs that are just a couple of hours in a Gulfstream away, drivable for families too. Not to mention Miami is a big media market where, unlike every actual college town, almost none of the press have any loyalty towards UM and are watching your every move, waiting to make their name on catching you skirting the rules, especially on the trail where your comp are buying players.

Oregon is the coolest brand in CFB with kids, are in bed with Nike, the biggest and best sports brand on the planet, who are next door.

The only school within 1500 miles of them (read that again and process that number) that can offer any real recruiting competition is USC, and they are in disarray. The next closest is, who? Oklahoma? They are a 1900+ mile drive away.

Process that. Meanwhile we are getting shived from all sides.

Oregon had the #3 class in the country last year, beating out programs like Georgia, LSU, Clemson, TAMU, USC and ND in the rankings. UM's location is great, but its not an advantage over Oregon's because they have a much bigger protected field to recruit from geographically. They are the only real option for kids on the west coast that don't want to go to school across the country in a different time zone. Plus, the Nike thing, which no school can compete with, helps them recruit nationally.
 
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