Breaking Down Shannon Dawson

Every last one of those teams that won championships used situational tempo and didn’t stay in full time tempo. Once they got ahead or the game was under control they slowed it down. They didn’t stay in full-time tempo like a Lashlee offense did. No matter how you try to word Smith it that is the truth.

Nobody here said not to use tempo. I love tempo, but every championship winning program has ever stayed in full time tempo O. They have all slowed it down at times during games unless both teams are running a track meet on each others defenses and neither D can stop the other teams O.
The teams that run full speed for entire games do so because they’re rarely beating teams by multiple scores, thus not trying to take time off the clock. Nobody keeps running at lightning speed when they’re up by 24. This should be common sense.
 
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Tennessee’s defensive efficiency is much higher than its total defense, for example
Cool. What about the countless other examples who run tempo? I

There are years of data that support my argument. Not just this past season.
 
Cool. What about the countless other examples who run tempo? I

There are years of data that support my argument. Not just this past season.
I think you’re mistaking me critiquing your argument with critiquing your methodology. Your methodology isn’t sound because you’re using Total Defense as the metric
 
I don't even have to watch any breakdown. Probably about how the new OC has leveraged concepts in the past and how he will put our personnel on position to succeed. Maybe a shout-out to a current player in how they'd be perfect for it. Much like every breakdown everytime we get a new OC.

Usually just a bunch of boring nonsense to build hype and expectation just so I can be emotionally let down again. I've seen this for the past 20 years.
 
They were that low in plays per game because they had so many explosive plays. If you have a ton of 50 yard plays, you’re not going to run a ton of plays. Pace isn’t solely determined by number of plays run.

No disagreement here but that's a product of situational tempo/pace and great coaching/players. The overall point is the teams running 80+ a game aren't winning **** besides one outlier year and if your team is good enough you don't have to run that many plays; and a lot fans here have been begging for that type of offense which doesn't translate to much success IMO other than being fun to watch.
 
No disagreement here but that's a product of situational tempo/pace and great coaching/players. The overall point is the teams running 80+ a game aren't winning **** besides one outlier year and if your team is good enough you don't have to run that many plays; and a lot fans here have been begging for that type of offense which doesn't translate to much success IMO other than being fun to watch.
The teams that run the most plays aren’t necessarily going faster than everyone. They just tend to be teams that A) don’t often have big leads and B) aren’t explosive on offense so they run a ton of 7 yard plays. Those teams aren’t mediocre because they run a fast offense. They’re mediocre because they don’t have talent and the only way to be competitive is to run a fast offense.

If Georgia would have ran 80 plays a game, they still would have won the title. They just didn’t have to because they often had big leads and their offense had tons of big plays.
 
The teams that run the most plays aren’t necessarily going faster than everyone. They just tend to be teams that A) don’t often have big leads and B) aren’t explosive on offense so they run a ton of 7 yard plays. Those teams aren’t mediocre because they run a fast offense. They’re mediocre because they don’t have talent and the only way to be competitive is to run a fast offense.

If Georgia would have ran 80 plays a game, they still would have won the title. They just didn’t have to because they often had big leads and their offense had tons of big plays.

We're not really saying anything differently but the great teams are still not running at a lightning pace.

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By and large ultra fast isn't that effective. Most top teams here are running plays north of 26 seconds apart but the success (explosiveness) rate for the plays run is extremely high. This is what you're referring to and I'm simply pointing out that pace isn't really an indication of success. It's how you use it.
 
Tennessee’s defensive efficiency is much higher than its total defense, for example
South Carolina just scored again. They only scored 63 points. Sometimes going in hyper speed is detrimental.

Meanwhile they got *** raped by Georgia. A team that can pound you, spread you out, speed it up or slow down.

The ONLY reason they beat Bama is because their D hasn’t been all that good since Pruitt left.
 
A better measure of defensive success would be stop percentage. How many drives a game is your defense getting stops vs giving up points. If your defense is good, it gets stops. It doesn’t matter how fast or slow your offense is playing. I never understand the idea that offenses should purposely slow down, to their own detriment, to “protect” a trash defense. That’s some Al Golden ****. The defense shouldn’t rely on the offense to keep the opponent off the field. It’s the defense’s JOB to get the opponent off the field.
 
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South Carolina just scored again. They only scored 63 points. Sometimes going in hyper speed is detrimental.

Meanwhile they got *** raped by Georgia. A team that can pound you, spread you out, speed it up or slow down.

The ONLY reason they beat Bama is because their D hasn’t been all that good since Pruitt left.
None of this is relevant to my point about total defense not being a good metric lol. Pointing out individual performances doesn’t prove that Tennessee wasn’t an above average to good defense either. We’re not even having close to the same conversation.
 
A better measure of defensive success would be stop percentage. How many drives a game is your defense getting stops vs giving up points. If your defense is good, it gets stops. It doesn’t matter how fast or slow your offense is playing. I never understand the idea that offenses should purposely slow down, to their own detriment, to “protect” a trash defense. That’s some Al Golden ****. The defense shouldn’t rely on the offense to keep the opponent off the field. It’s the defense’s JOB to get the opponent off the field.
I don't think anyone is saying to purposely slow down to protect their defenses. I think the case is trying to be made that going fast can be a detriment to your defense in a game. If your defense was just on the field for 5 minutes, you get the ball back and then go 3 and out in 45 seconds and the defense has to come right back out, it starts to add up. I'm sure there is some sort of statistical correlation that would back this up, I'm honestly just to lazy to look it up lol. Going up tempo can be a huge benefit when it is successful but if it's not working, you are definitely putting your defense in a spot to be less successful.
 
I don't think anyone is saying to purposely slow down to protect their defenses. I think the case is trying to be made that going fast can be a detriment to your defense in a game. If your defense was just on the field for 5 minutes, you get the ball back and then go 3 and out in 45 seconds and the defense has to come right back out, it starts to add up. I'm sure there is some sort of statistical correlation that would back this up, I'm honestly just to lazy to look it up lol. Going up tempo can be a huge benefit when it is successful but if it's not working, you are definitely putting your defense in a spot to be less successful.
I think that’s more of a “going three and out” problem than and “uptempo” problem. If you’re going three and out, the defense is going to be stressed no matter what. The extra few seconds you might save by going slower isn’t really making much of a difference. Just look at our offense last year. Gattis was slow as ****. It didn’t really help our defense that his three and out took 1 minute instead of 30 seconds.
 
▪ New offensive coordinator and quarterback coach Shannon Dawson has made a strong early impression on players, two players conveyed to close associates. Some of the feedback: He’s got a lot of energy, he’s player friendly and doesn’t think he knows everything. Josh Gattis, who was dismissed after one year as offensive coordinator, had a prickly relationship with some players and was resistant to taking suggestions from players (and at times, other coaches), according to two UM people on last year’s team. Players have been learning Dawson’s playbook, which mixes Air Raid and spread concepts with evolved run concepts.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/...y-jackson/article272594852.html#storylink=cpy
 
▪ New offensive coordinator and quarterback coach Shannon Dawson has made a strong early impression on players, two players conveyed to close associates. Some of the feedback: He’s got a lot of energy, he’s player friendly and doesn’t think he knows everything. Josh Gattis, who was dismissed after one year as offensive coordinator, had a prickly relationship with some players and was resistant to taking suggestions from players (and at times, other coaches), according to two UM people on last year’s team. Players have been learning Dawson’s playbook, which mixes Air Raid and spread concepts with evolved run concepts.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/...y-jackson/article272594852.html#storylink=cpy
Doesn’t think he knows everything 👀
 
Anyone know what exactly happened at Southern Miss? Keep hearing a lot of the issues Dawson had there were justified.
 
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I think you’re mistaking me critiquing your argument with critiquing your methodology. Your methodology isn’t sound because you’re using Total Defense as the metric
SMU (Scoring Defense #119)
Ole Miss (Scoring Defense #57)
Georgia State (Scoring Defense #106)
Oklahoma State (Scoring Defense #89)
Tennessee (Scoring Defense #36)
Central Michigan (Scoring Defense #80)
Texes Tech ( Scoring Defense # 93)
Georgia Southern (Scoring Defense #109)
Ball State ( Scoring Defense #70)

This suffice? Feel free to go back for the last 5 years and look at all the top tempo teams, you will see the common trend with their defense's. Basura.
 
The teams that run full speed for entire games do so because they’re rarely beating teams by multiple scores, thus not trying to take time off the clock. Nobody keeps running at lightning speed when they’re up by 24. This should be common sense.
When spread offense first started to pick up speed and more ppl adopted, a really good coach I know said regarding spread "you either win by alot or lose by a lot". While that's not necessarily true today, the underlying reason behind that comment used to be, and is now addressed by tempo. Once teams get into control, slow down and control the game.

Uptempo allows you to lose control fast even if you're ahead.

Lastly, teams used to be run heavy because even if you were out skilled, if you limit opponent possessions you keep the score close and give yourself a chance. While not run heavy, some of the same principles still apply to how CFB offenses run at a foundational level
 
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