Blue Chip Ratio Debate (Does It Matter?)

[bshaw28]

But wait. I thought it was all about talent? If Richt is the best coach we can get, and we have more talent than anyone else in our division, why didn't we win the Coastal more than once in three years?

I don't disagree with you all that much at the end of the day. I just don't agree with this bold and broad assertion that "it's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's." Players matter, and coaching matters.

At the point where this program is at, the only way to get the Joe's is to first win based on X's and O's. We've got a solid talent advantage over our divisional competitors, we need to beat them with the talent that we have before we can expect to improve our talent level substantially. Being a "salesman" is not the answer in this day and age. Sure, it worked for Howard back in 1979. Those were different times.

We totally agree that both coaching and talent matter.

I think where we disagree is:

1) I think the importance of talent outweighs the importance of coaching. Not by a lot, but it is more important.

Example - I think getting talented players like Lingard, Silvera, and Bolden potentially makes more of a difference for the rest of the season than the X and O adjustments Manny is making right now.

2) I don't think consistently winning 10 games is "the only way" to get a Top 10 recruiting class. Using your Butch Jones example - he got back to back Top 10 recruiting classes at a school that has back to back 5 win seasons. As a result, he got back back 9 win seasons.

3) I think the "bags/$$$" argument can be a cop out. If Alabama and Georgia are going head to head for a recruit, I don't think the recruit just always goes with which team gives him the most $$. This is where I think developing relationships and being a salesman makes the difference. I don't think the importance of a coaches ability to sell a recruit on his program has ever or will ever go away.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Lol at all these people who thing we're going to recruit and get 5 stars before we win ****. This isn't playstation. Here's a list of the highest rated miami recruits in the last 10-12 years. Did any of them even make 1st All ACC? Maybe Chad, Duke, or Brandon Harris?

Seantrel Henderson
Latwan Anderson
Ramon Buchanon
Tracy Howard
Arthur Brown
Bryce Brown
Marcus Forston
Anthony Chickillo
Brandon Harris
Duke Johnson
Chad Thomas

All unknown nfl players

 

[We the Boss]

Blue chip ratio illustrates how weak our coaching is and has been

 

[mossmadness]

We totally agree that both coaching and talent matter.

I think where we disagree is:

1) I think the importance of talent outweighs the importance of coaching. Not by a lot, but it is more important.

Example - I think getting talented players like Lingard, Silvera, and Bolden potentially makes more of a difference for the rest of the season than the X and O adjustments Manny is making right now.

2) I don't think consistently winning 10 games is "the only way" to get a Top 10 recruiting class. Using your Butch Jones example - he got back to back Top 10 recruiting classes at a school that has back to back 5 win seasons. As a result, he got back back 9 win seasons.

3) I think the "bags/$$$" argument can be a cop out. If Alabama and Georgia are going head to head for a recruit, I don't think the recruit just always goes with which team gives him the most $$. This is where I think developing relationships and being a salesman makes the difference. I don't think the importance of a coaches ability to sell a recruit on his program has ever or will ever go away.

Nothing else needs to be said. Lock the thread up. This is it.

 

[Mandingo]

This poll is irrelevant for where we’re at and the OP has not evolved enough to understand the landscape as it relates to us at this time. Sure Blue chips matter but we’re not stopping any of those teams named from doing anything. We’re not on their level. We’re not on the level below them either which is the level we need to get to.

We’ve had more blue chips than anyone in the CoRstal for years and only won it once. Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, UVA, VT & even GT have all alternated doing more with less...and some have done it consistently. That’s a coaching failure. Our first issue is coaching. We need high level coaching to win with the players we have, get to the next level and then worry about going up from there.

But please... stop crying about elite recruits and how we need players to catch Bama when we annually have the most elite recruits in the shîtty CoRstal and are 1/15 in winning it. If you think what happened against UNC and CMU is because of a lack of talent, as opposed to total corchery, then you just don’t get it.

Exactly. Miami fans make The dumbest arguments. We play in the coastal division. We should make it to the ACC championship almost every year based on talent alone. If we do that, we will attract more blue-chip recruits. Then, we can have a conversation about Alabama’s ratio after facing them in the playoffs.

Miami’s issue starts and ends with coaching. K.I.S.S

 

[RVACane]

Exactly. Miami fans make The dumbest arguments. We play in the coastal division. We should make it to the ACC championship almost every year based on talent alone. If we do that, we will attract more blue-chip recruits. Then, we can have a conversation about Alabama’s ratio after facing them in the playoffs.

Miami’s issue starts and ends with coaching. K.I.S.S

Better than I could put it and it’s just frustrating.

When you speak to me I snap to attention. I keep envisioning you looking like your avatar, fiery eyes and all.

 

[RVACane]

 

[citizenkane]

YES IT MATTERS
42-17 proves it