Blue Chip Ratio Debate (Does It Matter?)

Does Blue Chip Ratio Matter?


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Seriously, does it matter or is it just fools gold?

Because to me, there's no doubt that It matters when it's clearly reflected on the field and in the rankings!
However, for the past few week's I've called in to several streams and podcasts only to be told that the star system is broken and insignificant.
By the way, I get that some fans feel like several of these sites have lost credibility but my source is 247 sports not RIVALS.
On another note, I can almost guarantee that someone here will be bringing up Butch Davis and the 3 star over 5 star debate.
Therefore, I want these people to comprehend that there are 100's of 3 star recruits compared to the 32 5 star players every year.
I'm not saying to stop recruiting the 3 star kids but, I do ask for this coaching staff to aggressively pursue the players who are best at their respective position.

If we continue to allow Alabama steal the best guys available it's going to get harder and harder to compete on a national level.
Listen, I can easily make a case if we don't lose Evan Neal (A Miami Legacy) to Bama we are potentially 4-0 right now. I say this because there's an obvious weakness on our team on O-line especially, at the left tackle position. Excuse me if you disagree, but I'm bringing in cold hard facts that you have to acknowledge are true. The teams that are in or that at the very least in the discussion for the C.F.P are all teams dominating the blue chip ratio right now.
Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Etc.

Listen, you can tell me whatever you want about Washington State with Mike Leach, UCF with Huepel and Frost, Boise State, Iowa, Utah and whoever else you want. But your argument will be back to square one when I say these programs claim fictitious national titles and they don't win their power 5 conference championships. Hence, I will continue to say that we must start bringing in these ELITE recruiting classes and combine them with great coaching to compete at the national level again. And believe me, I know the value of great coaching! You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have the right coaches (USC, FSU) you wont win diddly squat. Reality is they both matter, and you have to have both if you want to compete for a shot at the CFP. So, to conclude my post I would like to put this staff on notice that a good start would be to beat Florida State and Florida for these blue chip players.



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Has it ever occurred to anyone that the players that go to Bama are there just maybe because Bama has a winning program and
obviously really good coaching ?

The "Bama steals players" ****t is really old and ridiculous. Bama has achieved something that Miami has been too
stupid to do. I don't like Alabama but I sure as **** respect what they do and what they have achieved.
 
Lol at all these people who thing we're going to recruit and get 5 stars before we win ****. This isn't playstation. Here's a list of the highest rated miami recruits in the last 10-12 years. Did any of them even make 1st All ACC? Maybe Chad, Duke, or Brandon Harris?

Seantrel Henderson
Latwan Anderson
Ramon Buchanon
Tracy Howard
Arthur Brown
Bryce Brown
Marcus Forston
Anthony Chickillo
Brandon Harris
Duke Johnson
Chad Thomas
 
Don’t know what Evan Neal will become but he wouldn’t be the difference between 4-0 and 2-2 right now.
 
This poll is irrelevant for where we’re at and the OP has not evolved enough to understand the landscape as it relates to us at this time. Sure Blue chips matter but we’re not stopping any of those teams named from doing anything. We’re not on their level. We’re not on the level below them either which is the level we need to get to.

We’ve had more blue chips than anyone in the CoRstal for years and only won it once. Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, UVA, VT & even GT have all alternated doing more with less...and some have done it consistently. That’s a coaching failure. Our first issue is coaching. We need high level coaching to win with the players we have, get to the next level and then worry about going up from there.

But please... stop crying about elite recruits and how we need players to catch Bama when we annually have the most elite recruits in the shîtty CoRstal and are 1/15 in winning it. If you think what happened against UNC and CMU is because of a lack of talent, as opposed to total corchery, then you just don’t get it.
 
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As usual, there is no black and white. Most things live in the gray area.

So yes, the blue chip ratio is important. Very important. But you also need to have competent coaching. Nobody wins big consistently with no talent, and nobody wins big consistently without competent coaching.
 
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The Blue Chip Ratio is irrelevant when the BOT is incompetent. It all starts at the top.
 
You aren’t winning a Championship without overwhelming talent AND a dominant QB, I don’t care what team you are is who’s coaching it.

Great coaches can get that talent, and the QB, then put it all together for titles.
 
When your blue chips sit on the bench because they don’t fit your system, you can’t develop them, or you can’t get them to learn the playbook, then it’s pretty irrelevant. It’s a known fact that on the offensive side of the ball we were extremely lazy in evaluating players under Richt. I don’t think we were evaluating at all.

Under Enos, I don’t understand the point of bringing in Martell if you are running a system that he would not be a fit. Now it seems Enos is pressured to find him a spot somewhere else. So we have a 5-star QB getting burn over a 5-star WR at WR.

You cannot be lazy in evaluations. If a player isn’t a fit, move on. Don’t bring him just because he is a blue chip
 
This poll is irrelevant for where we’re at and the OP has not evolved enough to understand the landscape as it relates to us at this time. Sure Blue chips matter but we’re not stopping any of those teams named from doing anything. We’re not on their level. We’re not on the level below them either which is the level we need to get to.

We’ve had more blue chips than anyone in the CoRstal for years and only won it once. Duke, Pitt, UNC, BC, UVA, VT & even GT have all alternated doing more with less...and some have done it consistently. That’s a coaching failure. Our first issue is coaching. We need high level coaching to win with the players we have, get to the next level and then worry about going up from there.

But please... stop crying about elite recruits and how we need players to catch Bama when we annually have the most elite recruits in the shîtty CoRstal and are 1/15 in winning it. If you think what happened against UNC and CMU is because of a lack of talent, as opposed to total corchery, then you just don’t get it.

Blows me away that people still don’t get this. You’ve got to prove that you can win with what you have and that you know how to develop and showcase good players before the elite players will consider coming.

Well said, RVA.
 
I'm always in the camp of I'd rather have a coach that's a great recruiter & ok coach vs great coach & ok recruiter

To me, Mark Richts value to Miami was always going to be how well he could recruit vs. how well he was going to coach.

Guys like Kirby Smart, Jimbo Fisher, Lincoln Riley, Dabo Sweeney - those guys didn't need 10 win seasons to be able to recruit. They could just recruit their asses off. We just need to get lucky and eventually land one of those guys.

I think a staff that kills it in recruiting far outweighs coaching ability and talent development.
 
I'm always in the camp of I'd rather have a coach that's a great recruiter & ok coach vs great coach & ok recruiter

To me, Mark Richts value to Miami was always going to be how well he could recruit vs. how well he was going to coach.

Guys like Kirby Smart, Jimbo Fisher, Lincoln Riley, Dabo Sweeney - those guys didn't need 10 win seasons to be able to recruit. They could just recruit their asses off. We just need to get lucky and eventually land one of those guys.

I think a staff that kills it in recruiting far outweighs coaching ability and talent development.

This is the problem with trying to pick one over the other. What did Richt do with any of his best recruits?

These guys you list may be good recruiters but really. Dabo had about 4 10 win seasons and bowl wins before they turned into a juggernaut. Riley and Kirby both took over a winning programs. Plus UGA opened up and went serious with the bags after Richt. Jimbo took over a winning program as well.

You have to be winning to get elite players no matter how good your recruiting is. You don't just hope to get lucky. Clemson is like the poster child for building a winning program. They had to go several seasons of winning 10 games and bowl wins before they turn into what they are today.

When Miami proves they can win bowl games and multiple 10 win seasons recruiting will suddenly become a whole lot easier. But you have to start winning with today's players. You have to actually show up for games and don't get blown out in bowl games. You have to beat the teams you are supposed to beat and blow out teams you are supposed to blowout. You have to actually play your best players.
 
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“Allow Alabama to steal our recruits”

You act as if our coaches forget to recruit South Florida. Our coaches recruit South Florida. All of them. Coker to Diaz. Al Golden lost his mind trying to recruit South Florida. Miami gets played every year by these 5 stars.

I will repeat this again. Richt could recruit the top flight kids when he was in Athens. Less so in Coral Gables.

The problem is not coaching.
 
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