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Bills fans calling for Dorsey’s firing

MiamiCanesFan77 said:
Dorsey ruined an offense with freaking Josh Allen at QB.

I will always appreciate Dorsey for what he did as a player at UM… but bringing him back as an OC has disappointment written all over it.
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That’s what this fanbase wants. I’ve figured it out. I now know this issue with CIS and 98% of UM fans in general. We have been mediocre for so long, we have become okay with it and the bar is in ****. Hiring a former UM player for the same position that he just got fired from is the type of slapdick move we are accustomed to. We (the UM fanbase, not me personally) only know what we know and don’t know what we don’t know. It’s a Canes thing baby! Keep it all in the family!! It has worked out so well for us as a program!!!!!!
 
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Ispyin said:
I am watching games and he has gone down, but not as much as people are making up relative to the defense completely cratering
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The criticism of the defense is fair.

But there's just absolutely nothing that would warrant handing the keys over to Dorsey to run the offense. Nothing. At best, he's been okay in Buffalo. If he didn't play for the Canes, and was thrown out as a possible coordinator, the board would light themselves on fire.

Miami needs to stop the obsession with hiring former players. It hasn't worked out.
 
htownkidd said:
That’s what this fanbase wants. I’ve figured it out. I now know this issue with CIS and 98% of UM fans in general. We have been mediocre for so long, we have become okay with it and the bar is in ****. Hiring a former UM player for the same position that he just got fired from is the type of slapdick move we are accustomed to. We (the UM fanbase, not me personally) only know what we know and don’t know what we don’t know. It’s a Canes thing baby! Keep it all in the family!! It has worked out so well for us as a program!!!!!!
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Amen. You don't get back to the glory days by hiring retreads.

Jimmy Johnson was hired from friggin' Oklahoma State. The Canes need to stop trying to recapture the magic by consulting their rolodex of former players/coaches with connections to the program. Get a fresh perspective.
 
Katzenboyer said:
...against one of the worst schedules in the NFL. And if you don't think that Allen hasn't been the same guy since Daboll left, you aren't watching games.
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He's exactly the same guy since Daboll left. He was interception and turnover prone then. The difference is Daboll was a master at scheme (and they had a bit more options then too).

That said, I'm not endorsing Dorsey by any means. His formations left alot to be desired and it seems he only understood the concept of pace and momentum when they played the Dolphins.
 
Lance Roffers said:
The Dolphins are my guilty pleasure so I was semi-joking around.

Serious answer is that I don’t mind what the Bills do offensively. They pass the **** out of the ball. They use their RB’s as extensions of the pass game. They look for explosives with their RB’s on early downs and use their best pass-blocking RB on pass downs. They run spread and let Allen use his size and strength in the run game. Their offensive playcalling is fairly vanilla and lacking imagination, but I still think they’re very good.

When it comes to Miami, I’ve said before but the only acceptable offense for me in college is a pace-and-space offense that utilizes the college rules advantages. Wider hash marks open up so many field side advantages with speed.

Ability to go three yards upfield as an OL makes the RPO game an endless supply of opportunities.

Blocking downfield if the throw is behind the LOS. We had a brilliant play against Texas A&M that the announcers didn’t even realize you could do when they ran a drag route across field but had him veer to behind LOS and catch it. It’s free money.

Motion at a ridiculous rate at home.

Use pace to get personnel on field for defense you like and make them “stuck” by not subbing yourself and getting to ball. If they sub, snap it.

These are fairly straightforward and simple things that college rules literally give to an offense. You don’t need tons of talent for them. You don’t need an NFL OL. You just need to accept the rules and be smart.

Finally, I’d have a dedicated analyst who watches every offense but mine. I’d expect that analyst to have 20 plays to present Sunday night as possibilities for our team and how we’d use them.

If you aren’t utilizing the college rules which allow for an army of analysts, you’re just not serious enough.

These are the things I’d have as non-negotiable. They involve innovation. Being humble enough to incorporate others into your process. Adapting to rules and taking advantage of them.
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One of the BEST posts I have EVER seen on CIS.

Ty @Lance Roffers
 
Ispyin said:
I don’t know if Ken is the answer for Miami or not, but to fire the offensive coordinator on a team that ranks in the top five in most offensive categories because your quarterback keeps throwing the ball to the wrong team, when he also only has one good receiver, is the definition of scapegoating

their defense has crashed without Frazier ( along with 5 starters out) and that idiot head coach blitzed the broncos twice when they were out of field-goal range and blew the field goal coverage team by having a dime package out when they were taking knees causing the too many men on the field penalty. Horrible decisions last night. The only smart decisions made was when Dorset kept running it the last drive to take the lead to avoid his turnover machine qb.

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So let me get this straight, going by stats, Miami has the #37th of #130 ranked offense which is (71.54 percentile) and the bills are #7 of #30 (76.67 percentile). So the same logic shouldn’t apply to Dawson and TVD? Running to save a QB that’s become a turnover machine?

So Dawson not a scapegoat for the crowd that want him fired?

My stance is sometimes it’s Coaches fault, and sometimes it’s players fault. It’s harder than most people realize to pinpoint who’s at fault.

In the Bills case, some would argue the offense went down when Dorsey took over. Some would argue Josh Allen has fell off a cliff.
 
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Katzenboyer said:
Amen. You don't get back to the glory days by hiring retreads.

Jimmy Johnson was hired from friggin' Oklahoma State. The Canes need to stop trying to recapture the magic by consulting their rolodex of former players/coaches with connections to the program. Get a fresh perspective.
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Fresh perspective, non-Miami guy approach always works!

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Katzenboyer said:
If this guy never wore the jersey, the board would run off anyone who suggested him as a potential OC.

Bring him onto the staff as QB coach? Fine. But this guy (strictly as a coach) rode the coattails of Daboll and his work with Allen, and once he left, things cratered. He should not be a coordinator here.
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What a Crock of BS....Guess he didn't develop Cam Newton to an MVP, even though Cam gives him 100% credit huh??
 
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I don't doubt Dorsey's intelligence or coaching skill. He's proven to be, at the very least, a top level NFL QB coach.

I would be curious as to what his college offense would look like. I agree with @Lance Roffers when it comes to hiring a college OC, you want a guy who's offense is literally built for the college game's rules. You can't just say, "this is what worked for me in the NFL" and do that in college. It's a different game with some significantly different rules and if you run an offense playing by NFL rules, you're coaching with one arm tied behind your back.
 
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