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Really interesting article about the whole issue. The link: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...eaking-acc-big-ten-pac-12-alliance-comes-next
some of the highlights:
The most immediate issue to be addressed, however, is the expansion of the College Football Playoff, with the 12-team plan designed in large part by Sankey and Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick up for a vote in September. Nearly every source ESPN spoke with on the issues said there is now significant trepidation about moving forward and that, while the plan could ultimately still pass, there's a desire to "tap the brakes" and better understand how the plan would impact leagues in the aftermath of Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC.
"You go back to all the great reasons that folks talked about why eight didn't work, why 10 didn't work and all these other things, you've really got to relook at it and say, 'All right, well, we're just gonna let this settle down a little bit, see where we are, and maybe come back and look at it in 12 months,'" one veteran AD in one of the conferences said.
The three leagues also could coalesce around creating an open bidding process for an expanded playoff, which could be divided between multiple media partners, similar to playoffs in professional leagues.
Perhaps the bigger question facing the alliance, however, is one of philosophy. According to multiple administrators directly involved in conversations, the advent of new name, image and likeness rules and the emphatic Supreme Court ruling in the Alston case have many schools concerned about the future of athlete compensation. As one AD noted, the SEC seems to have made its plans for the future known by adding Texas and Oklahoma in "a money grab," and the immediate conversations among alliance members will hinge on questions of whether there's another way forward that holds truer to the historic view of amateurism -- both in the short and long term.
In the most immediate sense, however, the Big 12 is being left out of the conversation because of its role in planning the 12-team playoff expansion, according to one AD. Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby worked with Sankey, Swarbrick and others on the proposal, but the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 did not have representatives in the room. Given that playoff expansion is Issue No. 1 on the docket, there's a sense that Bowlsby already had his say.
The SEC's addition of Texas and Oklahoma is widely seen as the first step in an even bigger power play, whether it's additional expansion or the formation of a super league. Sankey, who crafted the expanded playoff proposal, already is widely viewed as the most powerful person in college athletics. A three-league alliance could, when necessary, push back against the SEC on key topics like the expanded playoff.
"We can't have college football all run out of the Southeast part of the country," an AD in one of the three leagues said.
Despite their association with the ACC in sports other than football, the Irish remain steadfast in maintaining their independence. But if this alliance becomes more firmly entrenched over time, it could force Notre Dame's hand on several fronts.
For one, the three leagues include virtually all of Notre Dame's regular rivals -- USC, Stanford, Michigan and its five annual ACC games -- so either the alliance could pave the way for Notre Dame to keep playing all those teams as a full alliance member or it could squeeze the Irish on scheduling to a point that it becomes impossible for them to remain independent.
The other big issue is, if the two big sources of political clout and, perhaps, playoff positioning, in college football are within an SEC and a Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC alliance, life as an independent becomes untenable. At this point, no league has enough leverage to make Notre Dame do something it doesn't want to do, but if the alliance squeezed the Irish on playoff positioning, scheduling or TV revenue, that outlook could change.
For now, Notre Dame is one of the strongest advocates for the proposed 12-team playoff, which Swarbrick helped craft alongside Sankey. This could set up an interesting dynamic in late September if the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 choose to push back against the proposal.
some of the highlights:
The most immediate issue to be addressed, however, is the expansion of the College Football Playoff, with the 12-team plan designed in large part by Sankey and Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick up for a vote in September. Nearly every source ESPN spoke with on the issues said there is now significant trepidation about moving forward and that, while the plan could ultimately still pass, there's a desire to "tap the brakes" and better understand how the plan would impact leagues in the aftermath of Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC.
"You go back to all the great reasons that folks talked about why eight didn't work, why 10 didn't work and all these other things, you've really got to relook at it and say, 'All right, well, we're just gonna let this settle down a little bit, see where we are, and maybe come back and look at it in 12 months,'" one veteran AD in one of the conferences said.
The three leagues also could coalesce around creating an open bidding process for an expanded playoff, which could be divided between multiple media partners, similar to playoffs in professional leagues.
Perhaps the bigger question facing the alliance, however, is one of philosophy. According to multiple administrators directly involved in conversations, the advent of new name, image and likeness rules and the emphatic Supreme Court ruling in the Alston case have many schools concerned about the future of athlete compensation. As one AD noted, the SEC seems to have made its plans for the future known by adding Texas and Oklahoma in "a money grab," and the immediate conversations among alliance members will hinge on questions of whether there's another way forward that holds truer to the historic view of amateurism -- both in the short and long term.
In the most immediate sense, however, the Big 12 is being left out of the conversation because of its role in planning the 12-team playoff expansion, according to one AD. Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby worked with Sankey, Swarbrick and others on the proposal, but the Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12 did not have representatives in the room. Given that playoff expansion is Issue No. 1 on the docket, there's a sense that Bowlsby already had his say.
The SEC's addition of Texas and Oklahoma is widely seen as the first step in an even bigger power play, whether it's additional expansion or the formation of a super league. Sankey, who crafted the expanded playoff proposal, already is widely viewed as the most powerful person in college athletics. A three-league alliance could, when necessary, push back against the SEC on key topics like the expanded playoff.
"We can't have college football all run out of the Southeast part of the country," an AD in one of the three leagues said.
Despite their association with the ACC in sports other than football, the Irish remain steadfast in maintaining their independence. But if this alliance becomes more firmly entrenched over time, it could force Notre Dame's hand on several fronts.
For one, the three leagues include virtually all of Notre Dame's regular rivals -- USC, Stanford, Michigan and its five annual ACC games -- so either the alliance could pave the way for Notre Dame to keep playing all those teams as a full alliance member or it could squeeze the Irish on scheduling to a point that it becomes impossible for them to remain independent.
The other big issue is, if the two big sources of political clout and, perhaps, playoff positioning, in college football are within an SEC and a Big Ten/Pac-12/ACC alliance, life as an independent becomes untenable. At this point, no league has enough leverage to make Notre Dame do something it doesn't want to do, but if the alliance squeezed the Irish on playoff positioning, scheduling or TV revenue, that outlook could change.
For now, Notre Dame is one of the strongest advocates for the proposed 12-team playoff, which Swarbrick helped craft alongside Sankey. This could set up an interesting dynamic in late September if the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 choose to push back against the proposal.
They can try but in the end bags can only take you so far. Kids want to play early and often to raise their draft stock. No way they will be able to consistently have 4 and 5 stars ride the pine for 3 years waiting their turn.
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I know conventional wisdom would fall with the Big Ten not having any interest in a joint tv contract. I'm not so sure I'd rule that out though as there can always be a model where they (at least initially) would get a higher share of what would be a mind boggling amount of money. You'd essentially be negotiating the rights to ALL non-SEC college football.
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Alliance Announcement coming soon 
They won't be if this Alliance is done right and completely puts the SEC on an island. The interest in SEC football will dwindle and the money will dry up.
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I'm sure that's what this is all about. You're trying to isolate the SEC to where they can only play mid major and directional schools out of conference. The ACC, Big 10 and Pac 12 will only play marquee non conference games against each. It's similar to what happened after we played PSU in Tempe. Traditional powers in a conference refused to play independents like us, FSU and PSU and we all had to join conferences.
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This move is probably also designed to get Notre Dame to fully commit to the ACC. Then you have a powerful national coalition with established powers. Miami, FSU, PSU, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, USC.
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Lol Bowlsby got played hard
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Lol at SEC money “drying up”. CFB in the Southeast region is bigger than any other part of the nation. That’s just fact. The big Ten carries weight too. ND on its own is probably the most far reaching brand.
In the top 15 highest revenue generating programs of the P5, the SEC has 8 of those.
Now exactly what this “alliance” entails as far as revenue generating and sharing excluding bowls and playoff incentives is the key point..because I don’t think it will be a conference type setting anytime soon.…as a I said SEC teams alone will be generating 100 mill annually just off affiliation with the additions on Texas and OU. Who are also in the top 10 in revenue ..for context ACC teams each get around 31 mill annually in the current structure ..imo our best bet along with FSU and Clem is when the SEC/ESPNComes Calling, and they will..join up
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Nobody will want to watch 16 teams play each other only with no national appeal and reach. If the SEC is locked out from playing out of conference games against other power conferences, the revenue will drop significantly.
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ESPN owns the CFB playoff rights so far..costumers have no problem with a 32 team model if the content is good. Hence the NFL..casual fans aren’t tuning into PAC 12 after dark games between Utah and Washington or Friday night AAC matchups as much as they would OU vs UF in ABC or espn 7 pm slates
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Casual fans aren’t turning into the NFL lately either.
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Off a COVID szn..yup..as did ratings for every other major sport..yet Super Bowl ratings were in the top 10 despite that among other years games ..2019 nfl games in a normal year actually increased from the previous year
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Why expect ND to join the ACC as a football member? The Irish are already in bed with ‘The Alliance’ since they play 5 ACC games plus annual series with USC, Stanford, and Michigan (often). Any agreement can allow ND to remain independent, keep those 7-8 games, and the Irish can still schedule Navy and remaining games from the Gang of Five conferences and the remnants of the Big 12.
I would be surprised if ‘The Alliance’ evolved into a boycott of the $EC. That’s wishful thinking on the board. Existing rivalries like FSU-UF, Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia-Georgia Tech, and Kentucky-Louisville aren’t going away. Plus, our Canes have series in place with UF, Texas A&M, Auburn, and South Carolina. ND has upcoming series with Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Alabama. Most $EC teams have scheduled multiple ‘Alliance’ teams over the next decade. Do we think these can just be cancelled without any financial implication?
I realize ND wants the 12-game CFP so they’re likely always included, and they seem to get their way more often than not.
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I would be surprised if ‘The Alliance’ evolved into a boycott of the $EC. That’s wishful thinking on the board. Existing rivalries like FSU-UF, Clemson-South Carolina, Georgia-Georgia Tech, and Kentucky-Louisville aren’t going away. Plus, our Canes have series in place with UF, Texas A&M, Auburn, and South Carolina. ND has upcoming series with Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Alabama. Most $EC teams have scheduled multiple ‘Alliance’ teams over the next decade. Do we think these can just be cancelled without any financial implication?
I realize ND wants the 12-game CFP so they’re likely always included, and they seem to get their way more often than not.
F-ND, F-$EC
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