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canesbaby said:
I haven't had a chance to read the entire mega thread yet. But what I think you are saying is that the unintended consequences would be good for the ACC, B1G and Pac-12 and bad for the SEC right?
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Yes. Basically why would they just stand around and watch while the SEC tries to dominate college football.
 
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The TV footprint would include most of the major markets, even those that don’t care about CFB. NYC, LA, Chicago, DC, Boston, Philly, Seattle, Miami, SF thats the sell number of households that can potentially view
 
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Tad Footeball said:
The devil is obviously in the details with this proposal and I have my own preferences but this already proves that Jim Phillips is a thousand times better than John Swofford. Swofford would've just sat there mumbling about being confident in the current alignment and being excited about ACC Hoops too.

The only sad/annoying thing about this type of response NOW is that this power dynamic ALWAYS existed as either a check against or as ability to actually slap down the SEC as they grabbed control of everything. The college presidents (especially in the Big Ten) were always either asleep or too content.
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Like anything else, the SEC was always a threat to do that, but until they did, I don’t think these far flung universities had the impetus/motivation.

Too many diverse/disparate groups, geographically and otherwise, with little communications and cooperative interactions in terms of sports, other than the rare scheduling agreements.

And let’s be honest, the NCAA is just a loose affiliation of colleges with no central leadership or even any attempt to provide any kind or semblance of direction from Indianapolis. Totally worthless. Never discount the total lack of usefulness of that group.

Now, they’ve had a massive shot across the bow. Don’t think they have not projected loss of revenue down the line either. That will open their eyes as much as anything.
 
Will, for example, Ohio State and Wake Forest receive the same share of the media rights agreement (like Alabama and Vanderbilt in the SEC) or will it be doled out in unequal amounts (like the Big 12 with UT and OU essentially on one financial tier and every other member on another)?

Might this arrangement make the ACC's "ironclad" GOR agreement null and void?

Which if any school(s) among Clemson, Florida State and Miami would choose an SEC invite over this new alliance?
 
GojiraCane said:
Literally. The long term goal for the SEC is a national, exclusive league of 28-32 teams broadcast under the Disney umbrella. The rest of college football would be second tier and would have no involvement in this group. And it would mostly wither away and die, or be as prominent as the CFL.
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Let me preface this by saying that I don't discount that your scenario probably has been considered by the SEC and Greg Sankey. I also wouldn't discount the possibility that one day the Big Ten, ACC and Pac 12 might tell the SEC good luck and to go for it if they're feeling that strong.

That said, this idea of the SEC forming some "elite" super league in the 30 team range has a giant fatal flaw. That flaw is the current roster of SEC members. Those schools like Miss St, Ole ****, Arky, Vandy, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. that would be grandfathered into an entity that we'd be told would be "NFL lite" but still would essentially be top heavy.

The SEC cultists would obviously continue their delusions about conference superiority from top to bottom but the sane remainder of the country would soon realize they're now just watching Ohio State vs Mizzou instead of Ohio State vs Iowa State or USC vs Vandy instead of USC vs Stanford.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Let me preface this by saying that I don't discount that your scenario probably has been considered by the SEC and Greg Sankey. I also wouldn't discount the possibility that one day the Big Ten, ACC and Pac 12 might tell the SEC good luck and to go for it if they're feeling that strong.

That said, this idea of the SEC forming some "elite" super league in the 30 team range has a giant fatal flaw. That flaw is the current roster of SEC members. Those schools like Miss St, Ole ****, Arky, Vandy, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. that would be grandfathered into an entity that we'd be told would be "NFL lite" but still would essentially be top heavy.

The SEC cultists would obviously continue their delusions about conference superiority from top to bottom but the sane remainder of the country would soon realize they're now just watching Ohio State vs Mizzou instead of Ohio State vs Iowa State or USC vs Vandy instead of USC vs Stanford.
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You know the funny thing is what difference does SEC SEC SEC superiority make, when just as you said, you’re talking about a top-heavy conference of maybe three or four teams, with the rest of the teams just being canon fodder for the top part of the conference.

How in the long run is that must watch TV, when mostly all you have to look at is that one conference.

I mean when you’re talking about SEC superiority, you have to compare it to other conferences, otherwise, who cares, but if the SEC gets its way the other conferences will barely even exist.
 
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You know the funny thing is what difference does SEC SEC SEC superiority make, when just as you said, you’re talking about a top-heavy conference of maybe three or four teams, with the rest of the teams just being canon fodder for the top part of the conference.

How in the long run is that must watch TV, when mostly all you have to look at is that one conference.

I mean when you’re talking about SEC superiority, you have to compare it to other conferences, otherwise, who cares, but if the SEC gets its way the other conferences will barely even exist.
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Exactly. I think people for now are conflating the idea that has been thrown around of a top 50 type football only national "super conference" that is one entity and separate from the NCAA with what the SEC is trying to do.

They want to be perceived as creating this super league while also protecting all their preexisting basement dweller type institutions. So essentially all they'd really end up doing by being so hamfisted is creating a very flawed bootleg version of a superleague while massively hurting college football as a whole.

So any mongoloid cheering on the SEC power moves should realize that they're also cheering on the potential destruction of CFB as a whole because the likes of Arkansas and Mississippi State somehow should be coddled and protected.
 
LeavingJesusland said:
I hope this backfires on the SEC badly. ACC, B1G, and Pac-12 agree to exclusively play each other out of conference. SEC is stuck playing each other and the AAC, Sun Belt, MAC, etc
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I have no idea what the details are of their discussions, but if they are not considering doing something serious like that to counteract this power move by the SEC, I just don't know how effective this "alliance" would be. The SEC pulled their queen out earlier in the match and said "check" to the other 3 conferences. This new alliance needs to counter with its own major move. Except where a state law demands cross alliance games (UF & FSU, GT & UGA), we box them out.

This is the only thing that will actually give the new alliance an advantage.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Exactly. I think people for now are conflating the idea that has been thrown around of a top 50 type football only national "super conference" that is one entity and separate from the NCAA with what the SEC is trying to do.

They want to be perceived as creating this super league while also protecting all their preexisting basement dweller type institutions. So essentially all they'd really end up doing by being so hamfisted is creating a very flawed bootleg version of a superleague while massively hurting college football as a whole.

So any mongoloid cheering on the SEC power moves should realize that they're also cheering on the potential destruction of CFB as a whole because the likes of Arkansas and Mississippi State somehow should be coddled and protected.
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How many Mongoloids do you think actually cheer for the SEC? I bet they are a small minority compared to the Caucasoids and the Negroids… Also, please use the currently appropriate 21st Century term “Asians and Pacific Islanders.” Thanks. 🧐
 
If the BIG, ACC and PAC can form some alliance where the biggest teams USC, Ohio, Miami, FSU, Clemson, MI , Oregon etc play every season and that becomes a separate tv contract from the conference contract that would absolutely go some way to make up the money deficit the SEC is trying to drive and then even better they can band together and out vote the SEC on all changes to college football structure.
I guess they would have to add ND to that as well. It would have to be well formulated and fair to every conference and every school. Put all these games in big metro Cities. Miami playing USC in Miami or LA to open the season. But spread these game out over the course of the season all the way to the end. Bringing theory to practice is the challenge
 
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Would be a great move. Aligned well. Even if they said all non conference other than 1 each year has to be with the alliance.
 
If this works out the sec is gonna be Warsaw Pact and we will be NATO.
let’s hope they have really smart people working on this so it doesn’t turn into a sht show.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Let me preface this by saying that I don't discount that your scenario probably has been considered by the SEC and Greg Sankey. I also wouldn't discount the possibility that one day the Big Ten, ACC and Pac 12 might tell the SEC good luck and to go for it if they're feeling that strong.

That said, this idea of the SEC forming some "elite" super league in the 30 team range has a giant fatal flaw. That flaw is the current roster of SEC members. Those schools like Miss St, Ole ****, Arky, Vandy, Mizzou, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. that would be grandfathered into an entity that we'd be told would be "NFL lite" but still would essentially be top heavy.

The SEC cultists would obviously continue their delusions about conference superiority from top to bottom but the sane remainder of the country would soon realize they're now just watching Ohio State vs Mizzou instead of Ohio State vs Iowa State or USC vs Vandy instead of USC vs Stanford.
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The NFL is also a top heavy league. Basement dwellers tend to stay in bottom 10, better run and performing franchising tend to stay in Top 10.
 
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