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GojiraCane said:
Literally. The long term goal for the SEC is a national, exclusive league of 28-32 teams broadcast under the Disney umbrella. The rest of college football would be second tier and would have no involvement in this group. And it would mostly wither away and die, or be as prominent as the CFL.
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If that is their goal, then their vision of Tier 1 college football would wither away and die too. There would not be enough national interest to sustain that small of a league.

And guess what, there is no chance the NFL will allow the SEC to destroy college football. Who do you think benefits the most from a robust college football system? The NFL can't survive without the free and incredibly robust college football system. They are completely dependent on the large pool of talent that gets battle tested through the college football system.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
I'm digging their chile on this... HOWEVER...

a possible fatal flaw....

SEC says we don't need the NCAA umbrella at all... vote however you want...

Could a stand alone SEC survive in a Universe where the NCAA framework still existed?

Is Sankey that bold? that stupid??
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Might seem petty but if the three conference agree to not play OOC games vs the SEC but only against each other that would be cool and regionalize the SEC. Not sure what you do with UFvFSU, GTvUGA etc though
 
CaneinBroward said:
Conference realignment is about $$$. Unless the 3 conferences are forming an alliance to share TV money (i.e. a monster TV contract that all 3 conferences are included), what is the real benefit at the end of the day? If the ACC schools are receiving $20-30 million less a year in TV revenue than the SEC and Big 10, who cares about scheduling adjustments and additional voting power on playoff decisions? Correct me if I am wrong, but the ACC TV contract can only be changed due to membership adjustments. Scheduling individual OOC games against the Big 10 and PAC 12 alone will not increase the payouts.

I will say the 3 conferences bringing their votes together could hamstring the expansion of the playoff to 12 teams, which would really p**s off the SEC as they added Texas and Oklahoma to get more access to the proposed 12 team playoff.
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current TV deals would be voided with the formation of an alliance and new ones would be signed which would pay the "alliance" teams more than SEC teams.. Checkmate
 
svenben said:
Might seem petty but if the three conference agree to not play OOC games vs the SEC but only against each other that would be cool and regionalize the SEC. Not sure what you do with UFvFSU, GTvUGA etc though
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You can leave any game that's mandated by state law. Whatever. That's not going to move the needle one bit.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Certaintly CIS porsters can show them some pics to change their minds. Even @Paranos
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Canes1968 said:
If that is their goal, then their vision of Tier 1 college football would wither away and die too. There would not be enough national interest to sustain that small of a league.

And guess what, there is no chance the NFL will allow the SEC to destroy college football. Who do you think benefits the most from a robust college football system? The NFL can't survive without the free and incredibly robust college football system. They are completely dependent on the large pool of talent that gets battle tested through the college football system.
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That’s a good point, although the NFL might respond with bolstering efforts to establish minor league systems like the XFL.

I imagine that the SEC would ideally want to cherry-pick USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Washington, Notre Dame, Clemson, Michigan, Penn State, and a handful of others (including Miami) to establish a true, national super conference.
 
Could be aligning to avoid overreacting and poaching each other and put the SEC in their place at the same time.

BIG and PAC have gotten along for the Rose Bowl for years and BIG and ACC have gotten together on basketball.

Let’s see where it goes
 
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svenben said:
Might seem petty but if the three conference agree to not play OOC games vs the SEC but only against each other that would be cool and regionalize the SEC. Not sure what you do with UFvFSU, GTvUGA etc though
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There is also S. Carolina vs Clemson.
Now I'm not positive on this, but I believe UF and FSU have to play each other per state legislation.
 
Baba Yaga said:
Anything to **** the SEC. Would be cool to schedule teams like USC, Oregon, Michigan, State Penn, Taint etc. more frequently.
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Completely agree. My mind has been racing ever since I read about it yesterday. No more scheduling CCSU, FAMU, etc. There would be premier games on a regular basis which is great as a fan.
 
Hurracanes said:
I pray it’s true. Football would be so much better and this wouldn’t be good for SEC.
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There was no way these 3 conferences were going to sit idly by while the SEC takes over the world. Sounds like the Big 12 is on its way out or will be moved back to a G5 conference once Texas and OU leave.
 
Baba Yaga said:
Agreed. SEC would possibly respond by adding more schools, but what schools are out there if you take away the B1G, ACC and PAC-12 besides BIG12 leftovers? Nothing that adds enough value to compete with the scheduling and voting power of the three remaining P5 conferences, IMO. Frankly outside of adding Okie St. or WVU, anyone else dilutes both the product and the cut of the pie each school gets from ESPN.

A scheduling alliance with the B1G and PAC-12 may enable the ACC to bring ESPN back to the table to re-negotiate its horrible media rights deal.

OR...let ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC and streaming services bid against each other for exclusive rights to these new inter-conference games. While ESPN is broadcasting the Iron Bowl or Texas/OU on prime time, CBS/FOX/NBC could counter with Miami/USC, Clemson/Taint, Oregon/Michigan, FSU/State Penn etc. Exciting, bowl-season type match-ups with playoff implications every week. Imagine if you could somehow convince the Domers to jump on board too. They could stay independent and help drive up the price. That package would be worth stupid money (split 42 ways mind you, but it would supplement the conference's current TV deals).

Interesting to see where this goes, hopefully straight up the SEC's ***.
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This is what I hope happens. If they can get these three conferences to only schedule OOC games against each other the SEC would be playing the Sun Belt. If every conference agreed to one game against the other two conferences and just rotate schools, you’d create interesting matchups you usually wouldn’t see.
 
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I referenced the law of unintended consequences in the prior mega thread.

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
There’s also the law of unintended consequences at play here.

Yes, it’s a possibility that some schools like Miami and USC are somehow left out. It is also possible that the SEC ends up overplaying its hand so much that other forces are marshaled against it in ways that they have not anticipated. I’m not saying that’s likely, it may not be, but the rest of CFB isn’t necessarily going to take the SEC’s middle finger with zero reaction.

Then again, this may end with just, TX & OK going over to the SEC in 2025, with the rest of P5 realigning in a way that leaves schools like Miami and USC in play.

Additionally, while Miami may not be in the top 25-30 of revenue earners, it doesn’t necessarily need to be, with its brand, history, and tv ratings draw, and also considering that anything less than a ~30 team super-league would not maximize the market and income potential of a CFB super-league.
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REALIGNMENT MEGGGGAAAA THREAAAD

Maybe I’m too much of a homer, but I actually think this will work out well for Miami in the end. Either with a new conference or a better version of this **** we’re in.
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If this bears fruit, it’s a perfect example of that law. Maybe the SEC gamed this out, maybe they didn’t. If they didn’t game this out as a possibility, they’re awfully stupid.

The rest of college football is just not going to stand idly by while the SEC marches into Poland and every other P5 conference/team just meekly and passively watches.

To use another analogy, the SEC could end up walking out of that bathroom with just their **** in their hand, if this plays out completely the way it’s being spoken of.

The law of unintended consequences is undefeated.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
I referenced the law of unintended consequences in the prior mega thread.



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REALIGNMENT MEGGGGAAAA THREAAAD

Maybe I’m too much of a homer, but I actually think this will work out well for Miami in the end. Either with a new conference or a better version of this **** we’re in.
www.canesinsight.com www.canesinsight.com

If this bears fruit, it’s a perfect example of that law. Maybe the SEC gamed this out, maybe they didn’t. If they didn’t game this out as a possibility, they’re awfully stupid.

But they could be walking out of that bathroom with just their **** in their hands if this plays out completely the way it’s being spoken of.

The law of unintended consequences is undefeated.
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I haven't had a chance to read the entire mega thread yet. But what I think you are saying is that the unintended consequences would be good for the ACC, B1G and Pac-12 and bad for the SEC right?
 
The devil is obviously in the details with this proposal and I have my own preferences but this already proves that Jim Phillips is a thousand times better than John Swofford. Swofford would've just sat there mumbling about being confident in the current alignment and being excited about ACC Hoops too.

The only sad/annoying thing about this type of response NOW is that this power dynamic ALWAYS existed as either a check against or as ability to actually slap down the SEC as they grabbed control of everything. The college presidents (especially in the Big Ten) were always either asleep or too content.
 
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