We took fückin souls & scarred the innocent minds of an entire generation.Exactly. I’ve said this numerous times. We are deeply hated by a lot of people for beating the **** out of their team back in the day. If you don’t think there’s inherent bias in a lot of folks then you either naive or disingenuous.
Except the pre snap is secondary to opponents d line simulating the snap which is in fact a penalty on the other teamSome calls have been crap but you can't blame the officials for all the pre-snap stuff. That's on us and needs to be cleaned up.
Send this stuff to national media peopleLike most on here, I'm sick of the one-sided officiating we see. I recall a few years back when we had 2 first round DE (phillips and greg) and didn’t get a hold call all year (or something like that). This past Saturday, we saw some very obvious missed calls. The intentional grounding that wasn’t called. The hold on bain that would have been a safety. The illegal motion that wasn’t called for them. No holding calls against their oline. I could go on.
I decided to look at the stats. It is as you would expect.
Out of 136 teams
Miami is 123rd in Penalties Per Game, with 8.5
Miami is 104th in Penalty yards per game, with 66
Miami Opponents are 130th in penalties per game
Miami Opponents are 133rd in penalty yards per game.
Miami averages ~8.5 penalties (66 yards) per game—among the top ~10% most penalized teams. In contrast, their opponents average only ~3.8 penalties (27.5 yards)—among the bottom ~5% least penalized.
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Penalty Differentials Across All Teams
Miami's differentials:
- Differential Penalties per Game= Own Penalties - Opponent Penalties
- League Mean: 0.02
- League Median: 0.0
- League Std Dev: 1.87
- Differential Yards per Game= Own Yards - Opponent Yards
- League Mean: 0.14
- League Median: -0.25
- League Std Dev: 18.38
Metric Miami Opponent Differential (Mia–Op) National “Neutral” Range Result Penalties per game 8.5 3.8 +4.7 ~0 (avg diff ±1) Enormous gap — one of the largest in FBS Penalty yards per game 66.0 27.5 +38.5 ~0 (avg diff ±10) Massive discrepancy — among bottom 3 teams nationally
Miami commits nearly 2.2× as many penalties and incurs 2.4× as many yards in penalties compared to their opponents.
Comparison with Peers
Team Penalties (PG) Opp Penalties (PG) Net Gap Bias Direction Miami 8.5 3.8 +4.7 Against Florida St 4.8 7.5 -2.7 In Favor Georgia 5.0 6.5 -1.5 Slight Favor Ohio St 4.3 4.3 0.0 Neutral Texas 8.8 4.8 +4.0 Against Michigan 4.0 3.0 +1.0 Slight Against
Miami’s differential (+4.7) is the largest gap among these major programs.
Here’s the scatter plot — each point represents a team’s average penalty yards per game versus their opponents’ average.
The dashed line indicates perfect parity (equal calls both ways).
Miami (in red) sits far below that line — a clear visual outlier showing that their opponents are penalized far less despite Miami drawing far more flags
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SUMMARY - **** THESE REFS
SUMMARY 2 - As they say. the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Until UM staff and AD start lodging formal complaints, maybe even public complaints, it wont change. Perhaps Mario with his tough guy persona, refuses to acknowledge this or allow it to be used as an excuse, but it will cost us. I respect the players for not constantly flopping or trying to draw a penalty, but sometimes they need to speak up. It is better to complain now after a win, then do it after a loss.
Disclaimer: I used AI to help analyze the data. All data is from www.teamrankings.com
EDIT:
as per @TriStarCane , he asked about the opponents baseline agaisnt other teams. Here you go (fyi its ugly)
All 4 of our FBS opponents had penalty yards against us below their season average (whether you include their game agasint Miami or not)
The proability of this, on its face is 6.25%
Assuming independence across the four games, the joint probability that all four teams had below-average penalty yards is:
P(all four below average)=0.5×0.5×0.5×0.5=0.0625
However, if you account for the standard deviation, it is 0.0000571%!!!!!!
Opponent Penalty Yards Season Avg (μ) (excludes miami) Season Std Dev (σ) Comparison to Avg Probability (Below Avg) ND 15 53.75 39.21 Below 0.1611 USF 15 65.5 13.43 Below 0.0001 UF 20 80.33 19.62 Below 0.0011 FSU 45 49.33 9.50 Below 0.3228
P(all four below average)=0.0011×0.3228×0.1611×0.0001≈0.000000571P
This is approximately 0.0000571% or 5.71 × 10⁻⁷.
I've been asking for a statistical analysis of this for years, this is greatLike most on here, I'm sick of the one-sided officiating we see. I recall a few years back when we had 2 first round DE (phillips and greg) and didn’t get a hold call all year (or something like that). This past Saturday, we saw some very obvious missed calls. The intentional grounding that wasn’t called. The hold on bain that would have been a safety. The illegal motion that wasn’t called for them. No holding calls against their oline. I could go on.
I decided to look at the stats. It is as you would expect.
Out of 136 teams
Miami is 123rd in Penalties Per Game, with 8.5
Miami is 104th in Penalty yards per game, with 66
Miami Opponents are 130th in penalties per game
Miami Opponents are 133rd in penalty yards per game.
Miami averages ~8.5 penalties (66 yards) per game—among the top ~10% most penalized teams. In contrast, their opponents average only ~3.8 penalties (27.5 yards)—among the bottom ~5% least penalized.
View attachment 338596
Penalty Differentials Across All Teams
Miami's differentials:
- Differential Penalties per Game= Own Penalties - Opponent Penalties
- League Mean: 0.02
- League Median: 0.0
- League Std Dev: 1.87
- Differential Yards per Game= Own Yards - Opponent Yards
- League Mean: 0.14
- League Median: -0.25
- League Std Dev: 18.38
Metric Miami Opponent Differential (Mia–Op) National “Neutral” Range Result Penalties per game 8.5 3.8 +4.7 ~0 (avg diff ±1) Enormous gap — one of the largest in FBS Penalty yards per game 66.0 27.5 +38.5 ~0 (avg diff ±10) Massive discrepancy — among bottom 3 teams nationally
Miami commits nearly 2.2× as many penalties and incurs 2.4× as many yards in penalties compared to their opponents.
Comparison with Peers
Team Penalties (PG) Opp Penalties (PG) Net Gap Bias Direction Miami 8.5 3.8 +4.7 Against Florida St 4.8 7.5 -2.7 In Favor Georgia 5.0 6.5 -1.5 Slight Favor Ohio St 4.3 4.3 0.0 Neutral Texas 8.8 4.8 +4.0 Against Michigan 4.0 3.0 +1.0 Slight Against
Miami’s differential (+4.7) is the largest gap among these major programs.
Here’s the scatter plot — each point represents a team’s average penalty yards per game versus their opponents’ average.
The dashed line indicates perfect parity (equal calls both ways).
Miami (in red) sits far below that line — a clear visual outlier showing that their opponents are penalized far less despite Miami drawing far more flags
View attachment 338599
SUMMARY - **** THESE REFS
SUMMARY 2 - As they say. the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Until UM staff and AD start lodging formal complaints, maybe even public complaints, it wont change. Perhaps Mario with his tough guy persona, refuses to acknowledge this or allow it to be used as an excuse, but it will cost us. I respect the players for not constantly flopping or trying to draw a penalty, but sometimes they need to speak up. It is better to complain now after a win, then do it after a loss.
Disclaimer: I used AI to help analyze the data. All data is from www.teamrankings.com
EDIT:
as per @TriStarCane , he asked about the opponents baseline agaisnt other teams. Here you go (fyi its ugly)
All 4 of our FBS opponents had penalty yards against us below their season average (whether you include their game agasint Miami or not)
The proability of this, on its face is 6.25%
Assuming independence across the four games, the joint probability that all four teams had below-average penalty yards is:
P(all four below average)=0.5×0.5×0.5×0.5=0.0625
However, if you account for the standard deviation, it is 0.0000571%!!!!!!
Opponent Penalty Yards Season Avg (μ) (excludes miami) Season Std Dev (σ) Comparison to Avg Probability (Below Avg) ND 15 53.75 39.21 Below 0.1611 USF 15 65.5 13.43 Below 0.0001 UF 20 80.33 19.62 Below 0.0011 FSU 45 49.33 9.50 Below 0.3228
P(all four below average)=0.0011×0.3228×0.1611×0.0001≈0.000000571P
This is approximately 0.0000571% or 5.71 × 10⁻⁷.
Positioned with context on the disparity on opponents calls, not just ours will help bring the appropriate light. Keep pushing this!!Send this stuff to national media people
Someone would have to go back through all the games and analyze the reason for the TD being taken off, conference crew affiliation, opponent, down and yardage, and all other relevant metrics. It would take quite some time, and the issue of TDs being taken away has been going on for much longer than just the past two years. It started when we joined the ACC.I have been saying this since last year.
We have to lead the country in TDs taken off the board by penalty in the past 2 seasons.
I feel like there were 5 or 6 last season
Then we had Malachi’s taken off vs FSU
Are these stats available anywhere?
Take the fineGood analysis, but the one thing I would add from your data is the conference affiliation of the refs from each game each team plays. As I mentioned in the other thread, a huge problem that has led to officiating issues is that officiating is not standardized nationally (see the Josh Pate videos). Each conference manages, trains, and thus implements their own officiating standards. This has led to uneven officiating across the country and across conference and games. What constitutes holding in the Big 10 is now not the same as in the SEC and the ACC, etc. So I would break the analysis down further to attempt to identify if there are patterns among particular conferences.
Also, coaches face extreme penalties for public complaints of officiating. It is not limited to fines; they can be suspended or further sanctioned. We do know that Miami has complained directly to the ACC before, per the rules.
It’s not just a fine, as I said in my post. Mario would get suspended for what you’re suggesting.Take the fine
Call a presser and rip their asses apart w facts so that espn announcers can monitor it during the games they call
Sunshine on this is the best disinfectant
80sThis has been going on since the 90’s
Don’t we have an AD??? What the hellos he doingIt’s not just a fine, as I said in my post. Mario would get suspended for what you’re suggesting.
Chilling in Clemson.Don’t we have an AD??? What the hellos he doing