Base defense, 5 men in the box on Cook's final TD run

[Pentagon Cane]

Do you see how far Perryman had to travel just to miss that tackle?

Also, go back and watch it, McCord missed him at the LOS because he went unblocked.

Poor scheme. Again.

How is it poor scheme if McCord misses an easy tackle? That's a one yard gain, two at most. He walked Fentress up to 5 to 6 yards off the ball. Fentress takes a bad angle and gets tied up by Roderick Johnson who is second level blocking. So Fentress takes himself out of the play. The dude should have been flying to the ball.

 

[hcanes100]

Do you see how far Perryman had to travel just to miss that tackle?

Also, go back and watch it, McCord missed him at the LOS because he went unblocked.

Poor scheme. Again.

How is it poor scheme if McCord misses an easy tackle? That's a one yard gain, two at most. He walked Fentress up to 5 to 6 yards off the ball. Fentress takes a bad angle and gets tied up by Roderick Johnson who is second level blocking. So Fentress takes himself out of the play. The dude should have been flying to the ball.

just cause a player didn't make a play doesn't mean they weren't setup in the wrong scheme to begin with. You have the complete middle of the field open on that play and a player so far off the screen, it would lead you to believe there are 10 men on the field, and you don't see an issue with the scheme, regardless of if a player almost made a play or not? Seriously?

 

[CaneFam305]

Definitely poor scheme, the fact that every tackle relies on only ONE player or Bust is POOR scheme.... but i see UM fans that were born when Golden was first hired here cant see that.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Do you see how far Perryman had to travel just to miss that tackle?

Also, go back and watch it, McCord missed him at the LOS because he went unblocked.

Poor scheme. Again.

How is it poor scheme if McCord misses an easy tackle? That's a one yard gain, two at most. He walked Fentress up to 5 to 6 yards off the ball. Fentress takes a bad angle and gets tied up by Roderick Johnson who is second level blocking. So Fentress takes himself out of the play. The dude should have been flying to the ball.

just cause a player didn't make a play doesn't mean they weren't setup in the wrong scheme to begin with. You have the complete middle of the field open on that play and a player so far off the screen, it would lead you to believe there are 10 men on the field, and you don't see an issue with the scheme, regardless of if a player almost made a play or not? Seriously?

Carter was 13 yards off the ball because they were lined up in trips left. They blitz Armbrister and walked Fentress up.

 

[Canes21]

Do you see how far Perryman had to travel just to miss that tackle?

Also, go back and watch it, McCord missed him at the LOS because he went unblocked.

Poor scheme. Again.

How is it poor scheme if McCord misses an easy tackle? That's a one yard gain, two at most. He walked Fentress up to 5 to 6 yards off the ball. Fentress takes a bad angle and gets tied up by Roderick Johnson who is second level blocking. So Fentress takes himself out of the play. The dude should have been flying to the ball.

just cause a player didn't make a play doesn't mean they weren't setup in the wrong scheme to begin with. You have the complete middle of the field open on that play and a player so far off the screen, it would lead you to believe there are 10 men on the field, and you don't see an issue with the scheme, regardless of if a player almost made a play or not? Seriously?

Carter was 13 yards off the ball because they were lined up in trips left. They blitz Armbrister and walked Fentress up.

You're not going to convince anyone on these boards. We had 5 missed tackles on one play, but the scheme was the issue, not the players. You aren't allowed to say a player messed up on these boards without being crucified. McCord hit the RB at the LOS like the scheme allowed him to, yet he failed to make the tackle. Obviously that is Golden's fault McCord didn't succeed in the tackle, but it is not Golden's fault he was in position to stop the play. That's how these boards operate.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Definitely poor scheme, the fact that every tackle relies on only ONE player or Bust is POOR scheme.... but i see UM fans that were born when Golden was first hired here cant see that.

I could give a rat's if Golden is retained or fired after the season is over. The bottomline is McCord was in position to make an easy tackle and he missed. Fentress is walking up and instead of exploding to the play--he now has inside responsibility because they blitzed Armbrister off the edge, he delays, takes a bad angle and he gets tied up by Johnson who inside zoned to the second level.

 

[CaneFam305]

Definitely poor scheme, the fact that every tackle relies on only ONE player or Bust is POOR scheme.... but i see UM fans that were born when Golden was first hired here cant see that.

I could give a rat's if Golden is retained or fired after the season if over. The bottomline is McCord was in position to make an easy tackle and he missed. Fentress is walking up and instead of exploding to the play--he now has inside responsibility because they blitzed Armbrister off the edge, he delays, takes a bad angle and he gets tied up by Johnson who inside zoned to the second level.

Bottom line is McCord is going up against an atheltic talent like Dalvin Cook. I can imagine what other teams would be saying about Duke Johnson to their defense. "Hey we know Duke is a freak of nature at running back so we feel that the best way to slow him down is to give each one of our LBs a solo opportunity to tackle him 1 on 1!, Guarantee to work EVERY TIME!"???

Its always up to the player to make a play no matter the scheme. The best of the best make sure they always have their players in the BEST positions to make plays based on the talent they are going to face from the opposing teams offense... not only that, but its crunch time and this is the best you can come up with? smh pathetic.

Tyriq McCord is a pass rushing specialist. Well at least thats what he would have been anywhere else other than at Miami. He is a hard hitter and strong tackler but that's still not his most polished skill set, so why have him in that position in the first place?

 

[561Cane]

Alignment wasn't issue. Missed tackles was...

 

[hcanes100]

Do you see how far Perryman had to travel just to miss that tackle?

Also, go back and watch it, McCord missed him at the LOS because he went unblocked.

Poor scheme. Again.

How is it poor scheme if McCord misses an easy tackle? That's a one yard gain, two at most. He walked Fentress up to 5 to 6 yards off the ball. Fentress takes a bad angle and gets tied up by Roderick Johnson who is second level blocking. So Fentress takes himself out of the play. The dude should have been flying to the ball.

just cause a player didn't make a play doesn't mean they weren't setup in the wrong scheme to begin with. You have the complete middle of the field open on that play and a player so far off the screen, it would lead you to believe there are 10 men on the field, and you don't see an issue with the scheme, regardless of if a player almost made a play or not? Seriously?

Carter was 13 yards off the ball because they were lined up in trips left. They blitz Armbrister and walked Fentress up.

You're not going to convince anyone on these boards. We had 5 missed tackles on one play, but the scheme was the issue, not the players. You aren't allowed to say a player messed up on these boards without being crucified. McCord hit the RB at the LOS like the scheme allowed him to, yet he failed to make the tackle. Obviously that is Golden's fault McCord didn't succeed in the tackle, but it is not Golden's fault he was in position to stop the play. That's how these boards operate.

I didn't say that at all. The players should have made the tackles, no doubt; however, that lineup is insane for the formation they were in. At best, we had 3 timeouts, and we could have called one if we were that misaligned.

 

[hcanes100]

Alignment wasn't issue. Missed tackles was...

I believe it was both. If someone thinks leaving the middle of the field open like that against the team that was nickel and diming us over the middle that late in the game, it is mind numbing. That is the second half adjustments some are clammering for.

I am not here saying the players blew the tackle. In fact, I am amazed some of them got to him, be it is a testament to the talent of some of the players. Second is leaving out the quality of back that Cook is. He isn't an easy tackle for sure.

 

[Canes21]

How is it poor scheme if McCord misses an easy tackle? That's a one yard gain, two at most. He walked Fentress up to 5 to 6 yards off the ball. Fentress takes a bad angle and gets tied up by Roderick Johnson who is second level blocking. So Fentress takes himself out of the play. The dude should have been flying to the ball.

just cause a player didn't make a play doesn't mean they weren't setup in the wrong scheme to begin with. You have the complete middle of the field open on that play and a player so far off the screen, it would lead you to believe there are 10 men on the field, and you don't see an issue with the scheme, regardless of if a player almost made a play or not? Seriously?

Carter was 13 yards off the ball because they were lined up in trips left. They blitz Armbrister and walked Fentress up.

You're not going to convince anyone on these boards. We had 5 missed tackles on one play, but the scheme was the issue, not the players. You aren't allowed to say a player messed up on these boards without being crucified. McCord hit the RB at the LOS like the scheme allowed him to, yet he failed to make the tackle. Obviously that is Golden's fault McCord didn't succeed in the tackle, but it is not Golden's fault he was in position to stop the play. That's how these boards operate.

I didn't say that at all. The players should have made the tackles, no doubt; however, that lineup is insane for the formation they were in. At best, we had 3 timeouts, and we could have called one if we were that misaligned.

We had 4 guys playing on the WR's, we had 5 on the line, another safety that creeped up into the box, and one playing back. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that defense in the situation. You cannot have 5 missed tackles on a play. Fentress took an awful agnle, McCord missed the tackle to stop the play at the line, and the rest of the defense forgot how to tackle as well. There is nothing wrong with the scheme. We stopped FSU up the middle multiple times running the same thing. The difference.... missed tackles and made tackles. That is all.

 

[terdferguson]

I've been as critical of scheme and Golden as anyone. You guys are grasping at straws on this one.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Definitely poor scheme, the fact that every tackle relies on only ONE player or Bust is POOR scheme.... but i see UM fans that were born when Golden was first hired here cant see that.

I could give a rat's if Golden is retained or fired after the season if over. The bottomline is McCord was in position to make an easy tackle and he missed. Fentress is walking up and instead of exploding to the play--he now has inside responsibility because they blitzed Armbrister off the edge, he delays, takes a bad angle and he gets tied up by Johnson who inside zoned to the second level.

Bottom line is McCord is going up against an atheltic talent like Dalvin Cook. I can imagine what other teams would be saying about Duke Johnson to their defense. "Hey we know Duke is a freak of nature at running back so we feel that the best way to slow him down is to give each one of our LBs a solo opportunity to tackle him 1 on 1!, Guarantee to work EVERY TIME!"???

Its always up to the player to make a play no matter the scheme. The best of the best make sure they always have their players in the BEST positions to make plays based on the talent they are going to face from the opposing teams offense... not only that, but its crunch time and this is the best you can come up with? smh pathetic.

Tyriq McCord is a pass rushing specialist. Well at least thats what he would have been anywhere else other than at Miami. He is a hard hitter and strong tackler but that's still not his most polished skill set, so why have him in that position in the first place?

So now you're response is McCord shouldn't have been on the field. Bull *****, the kid needed to be on the field. He was lined up as a Jack, was in a position to make a play and didn't. McCord is our best kid coming off the edge in our 40 front, period.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

I've been as critical of scheme and Golden as anyone. You guys are grasping at straws on this one.

There is plenty to criticize at times but this play is not one of them.

 

[hcanes100]

Because I am not going to get into a 10 page argument on this. If you want to argue with yourself, fine. I stated pretty clearly that the players blown the tackles. I also stated that the scheme was stupid for this play.

The team was going over the middle with inside the tackle rushes and passes over the middle to the slot (scott) or TE (oleary). Knowing their OL was mauling our DT, you would think you would provide coverage or help over the middle. The closest second line of defense to that same group that was getting their asses kicked was a lone safety 9 yards deep. If you don't think having a body in the circle area below is more important than having a safety so off the screen, you would think their were only 10 men in the play, and this is the correct scheme for this play, then you deserve to keep rooting for Dorito as your D coordinator.

 

[rok]

Most coaches see 4 wr in the huddle and they at least go nickel.

We took Kirby and Perryman out of the play from the start. It's ******* retarded.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Most coaches see 4 wr in the huddle and they at least go nickel.

We took Kirby and Perryman out of the play from the start. It's ****ing retarded.

If we go nickel then one of the two are off the field, right? So let's stay on topic? Did McCord miss an easy tackle on a play HE has to make? Did Fentress whiff on the play where he has inside responsibility? Did Pierre got down the line and lose leverage allowing Johnson to peel off and zone to the second level?

I've got no issue with legitimately hammering scheme but sometimes the kids have to make a play in crunch time. On this play the kids didn't execute. It happens.

 

[CaneFam305]

Definitely poor scheme, the fact that every tackle relies on only ONE player or Bust is POOR scheme.... but i see UM fans that were born when Golden was first hired here cant see that.

I could give a rat's if Golden is retained or fired after the season if over. The bottomline is McCord was in position to make an easy tackle and he missed. Fentress is walking up and instead of exploding to the play--he now has inside responsibility because they blitzed Armbrister off the edge, he delays, takes a bad angle and he gets tied up by Johnson who inside zoned to the second level.

Bottom line is McCord is going up against an atheltic talent like Dalvin Cook. I can imagine what other teams would be saying about Duke Johnson to their defense. "Hey we know Duke is a freak of nature at running back so we feel that the best way to slow him down is to give each one of our LBs a solo opportunity to tackle him 1 on 1!, Guarantee to work EVERY TIME!"???

Its always up to the player to make a play no matter the scheme. The best of the best make sure they always have their players in the BEST positions to make plays based on the talent they are going to face from the opposing teams offense... not only that, but its crunch time and this is the best you can come up with? smh pathetic.

Tyriq McCord is a pass rushing specialist. Well at least thats what he would have been anywhere else other than at Miami. He is a hard hitter and strong tackler but that's still not his most polished skill set, so why have him in that position in the first place?

So now you're response is McCord shouldn't have been on the field. Bull *****, the kid needed to be on the field. He was lined up as a Jack, was in a position to make a play and didn't. McCord is our best kid coming off the edge in our 40 front, period.

no McCord should be on the field thats not what im saying. I'm saying the coaches who made up this embarrassment of a scheme should be fired immediately because thats the problem.

 

[RattlerCane]

It was simply a great run by what could in the future be one of the best backs in the nation, so we have to give some credit to that fact. Some of our best tacklers missed on that play and things worked in their favor. We did a pretty decent job for the most part in the beginning of the game containing them and keeping them off the field, the longer they were on the field the more trouble we dealt with. Our redzone defense was pretty good as well, that was another bright point we just gave up a few big plays for scores by a good team.

 

[rok]

Most coaches see 4 wr in the huddle and they at least go nickel.

We took Kirby and Perryman out of the play from the start. It's ****ing retarded.

If we go nickel then one of the two are off the field, right? So let's stay on topic? Did McCord miss an easy tackle on a play HE has to make? Did Fentress whiff on the play where he has inside responsibility? Did Pierre got down the line and lose leverage allowing Johnson to peel off and zone to the second level?

I've got no issue with legitimately hammering scheme but sometimes the kids have to make a play in crunch time. On this play the kids didn't execute. It happens.