Bandwagon Canes game thread (Duke Game Thread)

[Miami04]

NIT team. No shame after the year we had last year. NotSince is right Mano really ****ed this team.

Next years glass will have us back in the NCAA but we need a PG.

 

[tcgrad1014]

Newton has become painful to watch at this point. When he starts "shakin' and bakin'" at the top of the key, I immediately start getting nauseous thinking about him driving into a 4 on 1 situation and attempting to make a shot.

Kid clearly is not a point guard. He'll be the 6th man again next season.

 

[tcgrad1014]

At halftime I told the group I was watching the game with that we had a 1 in 4 chance of holding on.

Obviously that was wildly optimistic.

When a talented opponent extends the defense and plays with legit intensity, we are ridiculously simple to shut down. No offensive identity whatsoever.

I read concerns that Bruce Brown might turn pro, this year or next. Turn pro at what? When you have a legitimate NBA talent and are experiencing a drought like we faced in the second half, that guy would be the automatic centerpiece. The announcers would be all over it and the coach would make sure of it. His talent would take over for a few quick buckets to stem the tide. Instead, there is nothing. Brown wasn't earning a mention and rarely a possession.

Miami has nicer recruits right now than typical. They are not elite turn pro early recruits. Anybody who doesn't understand that is sadly kidding themselves. There are distinct tiers in college basketball, based on aura and elitism. We are not elite and never will be. Larranaga may be the best coach on campus right now. That's meaningless in terms of national championship opportunity. Football and baseball have exponentially greater opportunity to return to that level than the basketball program has of ever reaching it. Same with my alma mater USC.

I still don't understand why that D.J. kid sees the court. Someone touted as a sharpshooter should be an occasional threat to actually sink something when it matters.

I'm sure he'll drain a few in home games when everything is going swell and some team allows him to catch and fire.

Brown's offensive game needs consistency. He'll be back next season. DJ plays because we have no depth. He's pretty much useless though, and should have taken a shirt under normal circumstances. Could be a transfer candidate.

 

[caneinpsl]

No PG

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That and Murphy thinks he got a shot

Murphy has missed 3 shots tonight. And has 14 rebounds. We aren't losing because of his effort.

Murphy kills runs, because he consistently does stupid crap. Be it taking shots that he has no business taking, turning it over, because he has literally no ability to handle the rock, Murphy is a net negative. Someone has to get rebounds on this team, Murphy happens to be the guy who gets them, but he doesn't provide Miami with much else. His basketball IQ is below zero, which is pathetic when one considers that he is a FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.

Not really. Could be nobody getting rebounds, or getting far fewer. Murphy is who he is. He's a good defender and rebounder (both offensive and defensive). He should be banned from shooting outside of 5 feet. To say he's a net negative means you also have no idea what you're talking about.

Thank you. Murphy is a decent interior player. Nothing more, nothing less. You need guys like him. But he's limited offensively. People are piling on him over two shots he shouldn't have taken. In a game we were down by over 20. The real momentum killer for us is Newton. He's the one mis-handling the ball on almost every position. This team is just very raw, all the way around. IMHO the only seasoned player is Reed, who is having a decent senior season.

 

[CANEFAN83]

The lack of a true point guard plus inconsistent offense due to a lack of a scoring threat inside is killing this team. Young team will hopefully get better as year progresses into next year.

 

[tcgrad1014]

That and Murphy thinks he got a shot

Murphy has missed 3 shots tonight. And has 14 rebounds. We aren't losing because of his effort.

Murphy kills runs, because he consistently does stupid crap. Be it taking shots that he has no business taking, turning it over, because he has literally no ability to handle the rock, Murphy is a net negative. Someone has to get rebounds on this team, Murphy happens to be the guy who gets them, but he doesn't provide Miami with much else. His basketball IQ is below zero, which is pathetic when one considers that he is a FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.

Not really. Could be nobody getting rebounds, or getting far fewer. Murphy is who he is. He's a good defender and rebounder (both offensive and defensive). He should be banned from shooting outside of 5 feet. To say he's a net negative means you also have no idea what you're talking about.

Net negative because outside of his rebounding, he kills the team. I love how you throw out the "You don't know what you are talking about" whenever you disagree with people. Kamari's defensive prowess is a little overstated, he is a slightly above average defender. He's athletic as all ****, but he also is awful in regards to applying simple concepts. For every beautiful block we see, there are multiple plays in which he is totally out of position, and break downs. Once again, when you combine the fact that Kamari is an awful offensive player, with the thing he does well, it is hard to look at him as nothing but a drag. Just remember the following: Kamari averages 7.8 rebounds per game, Bruce Brown averages 7.1. Kamari is a role player, the problem is that he doesn't think that he is.

There are plenty of posters I disagree with on here from time to time who know what they are talking about. You do not happen to be one of those posters.

Murphy is a much higher than average defender. He's a 4 being forced to guard opposing 5s because we have nobody else who can handle that role. Izundu is raw and foul prone, and Huell is raw and weak. He's also far from an "awful offensive player." He finishes well around the basket with dunks and put backs. As a point of comparison, Murphy is a far better offensive player than Jekiri was. Murphy is obviously an awful shooter. But that doesn't make him an awful offensive player. He plays a very important role on the team. Without him, we would get abused on the glass and in the paint by just about every ACC team.

Bruce Brown is an extraordinary rebounder for a guard. The fact that Brown is averaging over 7 rpg is in no way an indictment of Murphy.

 

[Notsince1985]

Coach L's teams do not require guys to hit 3s, they require a functional PG. It's not like we had amazing 3 point shooting in 2012-13 and last year. We had good 3 point shooting with good PG play (very good PG play in 2012-13). We don't have a PG this year. We have a good 2 guard being forced to play PG and he's an awful PG.

Murphy is what Murphy is. Calling his career awful is a joke. Thinking he's going to get you 12 points a night is a joke. He is what he is, 7 points and 7-8 boards. Last night he had 14 rebounds. It's not his fault that Huell isn't the 1 and done he thought he was going to be, or that Huell isn't anywhere near what a lot of people thought Huell was going to be. Murphy and someone else is a good combo. Murphy by himself is not.

Bruce Brown is going to be a great player. Bruce Brown is not a 1 and done. Bruce Brown is not ready to take over games and is not an NBA player yet. He's one of the best freshman we've had in this program, but he's not there yet. He was invisible last night (and don't read his stats to me, 7 or 9 of his 15 points came in the last 4 minutes).

Davon Reed is our best player and will be missed next year

 

[CTCANE]

That whole sequence was a microcosm of Murphys awful career

Sorry I left this gem off the multi-quote.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

AustinCane is the dumbest poster on here. Not sure why he continues to post and embarrass himself.

 

[Canedude08]

Coach L's teams do not require guys to hit 3s, they require a functional PG. It's not like we had amazing 3 point shooting in 2012-13 and last year. We had good 3 point shooting with good PG play (very good PG play in 2012-13). We don't have a PG this year. We have a good 2 guard being forced to play PG and he's an awful PG.

Murphy is what Murphy is. Calling his career awful is a joke. Thinking he's going to get you 12 points a night is a joke. He is what he is, 7 points and 7-8 boards. Last night he had 14 rebounds. It's not his fault that Huell isn't the 1 and done he thought he was going to be, or that Huell isn't anywhere near what a lot of people thought Huell was going to be. Murphy and someone else is a good combo. Murphy by himself is not.

Bruce Brown is going to be a great player. Bruce Brown is not a 1 and done. Bruce Brown is not ready to take over games and is not an NBA player yet. He's one of the best freshman we've had in this program, but he's not there yet. He was invisible last night (and don't read his stats to me, 7 or 9 of his 15 points came in the last 4 minutes).

Davon Reed is our best player and will be missed next year

Murphy is a bit role player, period. Yes, he can get boards, he is athletic, but he is also good for at least 2-3 turnovers per game, and that's not even including his awful shot selection, which ought to count as additional turnovers, because he has little understanding of where he fits within the offense. I would hold him in higher esteem if he only stuck to what he is good at, but that isn't happening, because he has the basketball IQ of a **** beach towel. I expect young guys to do stupid crap, Murphy is doing stupid crap as a fifth year senior, and he does them constantly.

 

[Canedude08]

Murphy has missed 3 shots tonight. And has 14 rebounds. We aren't losing because of his effort.

Murphy kills runs, because he consistently does stupid crap. Be it taking shots that he has no business taking, turning it over, because he has literally no ability to handle the rock, Murphy is a net negative. Someone has to get rebounds on this team, Murphy happens to be the guy who gets them, but he doesn't provide Miami with much else. His basketball IQ is below zero, which is pathetic when one considers that he is a FIFTH YEAR SENIOR.

Not really. Could be nobody getting rebounds, or getting far fewer. Murphy is who he is. He's a good defender and rebounder (both offensive and defensive). He should be banned from shooting outside of 5 feet. To say he's a net negative means you also have no idea what you're talking about.

Net negative because outside of his rebounding, he kills the team. I love how you throw out the "You don't know what you are talking about" whenever you disagree with people. Kamari's defensive prowess is a little overstated, he is a slightly above average defender. He's athletic as all ****, but he also is awful in regards to applying simple concepts. For every beautiful block we see, there are multiple plays in which he is totally out of position, and break downs. Once again, when you combine the fact that Kamari is an awful offensive player, with the thing he does well, it is hard to look at him as nothing but a drag. Just remember the following: Kamari averages 7.8 rebounds per game, Bruce Brown averages 7.1. Kamari is a role player, the problem is that he doesn't think that he is.

There are plenty of posters I disagree with on here from time to time who know what they are talking about. You do not happen to be one of those posters.

Murphy is a much higher than average defender. He's a 4 being forced to guard opposing 5s because we have nobody else who can handle that role. Izundu is raw and foul prone, and Huell is raw and weak. He's also far from an "awful offensive player." He finishes well around the basket with dunks and put backs. As a point of comparison, Murphy is a far better offensive player than Jekiri was. Murphy is obviously an awful shooter. But that doesn't make him an awful offensive player. He plays a very important role on the team. Without him, we would get abused on the glass and in the paint by just about every ACC team.

Bruce Brown is an extraordinary rebounder for a guard. The fact that Brown is averaging over 7 rpg is in no way an indictment of Murphy.

Are you really screaming about a D-1 scholarship forward being able to make a dunk? Is that where we are? I would sure as **** hope that a guy with his athletic ability could mop up. No one was around screaming about how great Jimmy Graham was in that area, and he at least had a clue about what he was, and played accordingly. Yes, Murphy is undersized, and he is decent for his size, hence why I stated he's a slightly above average defender. It's the fact that every time I watch film, he's inconsistent, which is unacceptable from a 5th year senior. If K. Murphy was a sophomore or junior, it would be as you say, fine. But as a 5th year senior, you expect a guy to be a **** adult, to be a constant. He isn't, and that's why even though he does do some things well, he also kills the team in ways that are tough to overcome. What's even more infuriating is that Izundu and others can't provide enough to where L could have some options when Murphy does something stupid.

 

[Notsince1985]

Murphy is shooting 49% from the field. He takes 5 shots a game. Let's not pretend like he's shooting 3-10 every night. He's not a bad defender when he's guarding someone who is 6-7 to 6-9 or so. He doesn't look good when he is guarding someone who is 6-11. He's 6-8.

 

[Gables Canes]

This team just ****es me the **** off. So frustrating. We should be better than this. Anyway,

My thoughts on each player at this point in the season:

- The Newton at PG experiment is a massive disaster. Yes, this is just his first season playing the position, but he is not showing any improvement at it as the season progresses. Should we give Bruce Brown a look at PG? His basketball IQ is infinitely higher than Newton's, and he looks to be a solid ball handler. Also, Newton shooting 67% from the FT line is horrid.
- Bruce Brown is the real deal. Any clown in this board dogging him is clueless. No, he's not a one and done type player, but he is one of the best freshmen this program has ever had. He may be a two and done player if he continues to improve his shooting and starts finishing around the rim a little better. He's already a top notch defender and rebounder.
- Davon Reed is having a very good senior season. We are going to miss him next year. Really not much negative to say, only thing is I wish he was more of a vocal leader. It's apparent this team lacks leadership, we don't handle versatility or adversity well at all.
- Murphy is what he is. Some of you guys calling his career awful are just idiots. He's a solid defender and rebounder, has a decent offensive game around the rim, and provides much needed energy. Yes, he takes a couple of head scratching shots a game and tries to act like Kenny Kadji when he clearly isn't, but what else do we have (see below)? Without him, our defense would be a shell of what it is, and we likely would have at least another loss or two.
- Dewan Huell has been a mild disappointment. I wasn't expecting him to come in and dominate from day one, but he is a ghost for long stretches at a time. His defense is the worst on the team (next to DJ), he doesn't rebound well, and he's often out of control and out of position on offense as well. It's clear he's really raw, it's up to him and this staff to get him to realize his potential.
- Amp Lawrence is another disappointment. He hasn't progressed much at all from what was a decent freshman year. Part of the issue is we are forced to play him out of position (he's not a 4), but Amp's love of the 3 point ball is killing his game. He has good ability and size to be able to attack the basket, crash the boards, etc., yet most of his shots seem to come from 3, where he is wildly inconsistent. I want to see more aggressiveness from him.
- Izundu...such a frustrating player. He actually has lots of athleticism, and his size is a huge asset this team really could use. But his inability to stay out of foul trouble is just killer. I expected more improvement from him than what we've seen.
- DJ is completely one dimensional. He is basically a small version of ICU. Catch and shoot. He doesn't pass well, handle the ball well, attack the basket (85% of his shot attempts are 3's), or play defense, so when his shots aren't falling, he is completely useless and a huge net negative. I expected more versatility from him given the scouting reports we read.
- I hope I'm wrong, but Rodney Miller doesn't look like an ACC caliber player. I know he's a kid that should have been redshirted, but geez, I've never seen an ACC big move so slow and flat footed. Let's hope we can turn him into a solid role player the way Julian Gamble turned out to be.

 

[hardwoodhurricanes]

This team just ****es me the **** off. So frustrating. We should be better than this. Anyway,

My thoughts on each player at this point in the season:

- The Newton at PG experiment is a massive disaster. Yes, this is just his first season playing the position, but he is not showing any improvement at it as the season progresses. Should we give Bruce Brown a look at PG? His basketball IQ is infinitely higher than Newton's, and he looks to be a solid ball handler. Also, Newton shooting 67% from the FT line is horrid.
- Bruce Brown is the real deal. Any clown in this board dogging him is clueless. No, he's not a one and done type player, but he is one of the best freshmen this program has ever had. He may be a two and done player if he continues to improve his shooting and starts finishing around the rim a little better. He's already a top notch defender and rebounder.
- Davon Reed is having a very good senior season. We are going to miss him next year. Really not much negative to say, only thing is I wish he was more of a vocal leader. It's apparent this team lacks leadership, we don't handle versatility or adversity well at all.
- Murphy is what he is. Some of you guys calling his career awful are just idiots. He's a solid defender and rebounder, has a decent offensive game around the rim, and provides much needed energy. Yes, he takes a couple of head scratching shots a game and tries to act like Kenny Kadji when he clearly isn't, but what else do we have (see below)? Without him, our defense would be a shell of what it is, and we likely would have at least another loss or two.
- Dewan Huell has been a mild disappointment. I wasn't expecting him to come in and dominate from day one, but he is a ghost for long stretches at a time. His defense is the worst on the team (next to DJ), he doesn't rebound well, and he's often out of control and out of position on offense as well. It's clear he's really raw, it's up to him and this staff to get him to realize his potential.
- Amp Lawrence is another disappointment. He hasn't progressed much at all from what was a decent freshman year. Part of the issue is we are forced to play him out of position (he's not a 4), but Amp's love of the 3 point ball is killing his game. He has good ability and size to be able to attack the basket, crash the boards, etc., yet most of his shots seem to come from 3, where he is wildly inconsistent. I want to see more aggressiveness from him.
- Izundu...such a frustrating player. He actually has lots of athleticism, and his size is a huge asset this team really could use. But his inability to stay out of foul trouble is just killer. I expected more improvement from him than what we've seen.
- DJ is completely one dimensional. He is basically a small version of ICU. Catch and shoot. He doesn't pass well, handle the ball well, attack the basket (85% of his shot attempts are 3's), or play defense, so when his shots aren't falling, he is completely useless and a huge net negative. I expected more versatility from him given the scouting reports we read.
- I hope I'm wrong, but Rodney Miller doesn't look like an ACC caliber player. I know he's a kid that should have been redshirted, but geez, I've never seen an ACC big move so slow and flat footed. Let's hope we can turn him into a solid role player the way Julian Gamble turned out to be.

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[tcgrad1014]

This team just ****es me the **** off. So frustrating. We should be better than this. Anyway,

My thoughts on each player at this point in the season:

- The Newton at PG experiment is a massive disaster. Yes, this is just his first season playing the position, but he is not showing any improvement at it as the season progresses. Should we give Bruce Brown a look at PG? His basketball IQ is infinitely higher than Newton's, and he looks to be a solid ball handler. Also, Newton shooting 67% from the FT line is horrid.
- Bruce Brown is the real deal. Any clown in this board dogging him is clueless. No, he's not a one and done type player, but he is one of the best freshmen this program has ever had. He may be a two and done player if he continues to improve his shooting and starts finishing around the rim a little better. He's already a top notch defender and rebounder.
- Davon Reed is having a very good senior season. We are going to miss him next year. Really not much negative to say, only thing is I wish he was more of a vocal leader. It's apparent this team lacks leadership, we don't handle versatility or adversity well at all.
- Murphy is what he is. Some of you guys calling his career awful are just idiots. He's a solid defender and rebounder, has a decent offensive game around the rim, and provides much needed energy. Yes, he takes a couple of head scratching shots a game and tries to act like Kenny Kadji when he clearly isn't, but what else do we have (see below)? Without him, our defense would be a shell of what it is, and we likely would have at least another loss or two.
- Dewan Huell has been a mild disappointment. I wasn't expecting him to come in and dominate from day one, but he is a ghost for long stretches at a time. His defense is the worst on the team (next to DJ), he doesn't rebound well, and he's often out of control and out of position on offense as well. It's clear he's really raw, it's up to him and this staff to get him to realize his potential.
- Amp Lawrence is another disappointment. He hasn't progressed much at all from what was a decent freshman year. Part of the issue is we are forced to play him out of position (he's not a 4), but Amp's love of the 3 point ball is killing his game. He has good ability and size to be able to attack the basket, crash the boards, etc., yet most of his shots seem to come from 3, where he is wildly inconsistent. I want to see more aggressiveness from him.
- Izundu...such a frustrating player. He actually has lots of athleticism, and his size is a huge asset this team really could use. But his inability to stay out of foul trouble is just killer. I expected more improvement from him than what we've seen.
- DJ is completely one dimensional. He is basically a small version of ICU. Catch and shoot. He doesn't pass well, handle the ball well, attack the basket (85% of his shot attempts are 3's), or play defense, so when his shots aren't falling, he is completely useless and a huge net negative. I expected more versatility from him given the scouting reports we read.
- I hope I'm wrong, but Rodney Miller doesn't look like an ACC caliber player. I know he's a kid that should have been redshirted, but geez, I've never seen an ACC big move so slow and flat footed. Let's hope we can turn him into a solid role player the way Julian Gamble turned out to be.

To have a successful season we needed Newton to perform at a decent level at PG, and have some of the unproven bigs step up. It's pretty much been worse case scenario on both fronts.

 

[casualcane]

There's plenty of room on the team for a vital guy like Murphy.

Problem is, the surrounding front court cast is pretty much MIA.