B1G vs. SEC for Miami: Realignment Reality Check - Poll

[OBLIVION]

Weather - Miami has an 8-13 record in games played under 50 degrees, dating back to 2006. That’s a wonderful 39% winning percentage.

From 2006 through 2023, Miami went 130–97 overall, which is a .573 winning percentage. In the 21 games that supposedly qualify as being played under 50°F, Miami went 8–13, or .381.

Yes, that's a worse winning percentage, but 21 games spread across 18 seasons is an extremely small sample size. And when you put it into the context of Miami's overall performance during that same period, it says at least as much about the fact that Miami had some pretty bad football teams during those years as it does about the temperature.

There’s another piece of context being left out. When you look back at those schedules, Miami generally wasn't playing a ton of November road games in cold-weather environments. At most, we had three November road games in a season, but more commonly it was two and sometimes only one.

So if the argument is that Miami is somehow incapable of playing in cold weather, the actual schedule history doesn't provide a very large sample to support that conclusion. We're talking about 21 games over 18 seasons, during a period when Miami was .573 overall. That's not enough data to separate "Miami struggles in cold weather" from "Miami had a lot of mediocre-to-bad teams during that stretch."

And there are even examples that directly push back on the idea that Miami simply can't win in the cold. Miami has beaten Pittsburgh in cold-weather games, including a 2003 road game at Heinz Field when temperatures were in the 20s. Then in 2013, Miami beat Pitt at home in temperatures in the 30s.

So this isn't some hypothetical argument about whether Miami could win in cold weather. We've literally done it. If we're going to use an 8–13 record as evidence that Miami can't handle cold weather, then we also need to acknowledge the small sample size, the quality of the Miami teams during that period, how infrequently Miami actually played these games, and the fact that there are documented examples of Miami winning when it was genuinely cold.

The numbers are worth discussing, but they don't prove what some people are trying to make them prove.

 

[OBLIVION]

We've been a dog**** program since 2006. What were the teams we lost to in that span?

Does than include the meathead yankee stadium grunt bowl against Rutgers? We lost that game because we sucked and our coaching sucked, not because we could not acclimate to the weather?

Does it include the half-back pass in the snow?

Losing to Pitt in 2017 was not weather related.

We might need to create an all Florida league or make sure we don’t leave the state after September.

November 7th is getting scary.

 

[GladeCane]

True, but who did we play above the Mason Dixon line in the Big East?

Syracuse was indoors.

So that leaves Pitt, Temple, BC, Rutgers, and W. Virginia. Not exactly a Murderers row.

We were 5-1 at Morgantown during the BE days.

1 win was an absolute miracle (Tremain Mack game) and two games we won by 3 points.

Before the Big East, Miami played home/away almost yearly against ND and PSU, and i don't recall weather ever being an issue for Miami. In fact, the game that started the UM dynasty, was Jim Kelly's first start, where he led UM to an upset at Happy Valley in low 40 degree weather.

 

[RVACane]

You kind of just made his point for him.

You were in shorts in 54*, South Floridians were in winter coats.
Where do you think the majority of our players come from?

And it doesn’t matter how good of shape you’re in. UM didn’t just set the record for home wins because they were good, they were, but northern teams came down here and couldn’t handle the heat, especially when we made our schedules and didn’t waste September/October games at 7:30pm.

The Big 10 isn’t going to help us. They are run by OSU and Michigan. You can guarantee our schedule will suck donkey balls, every year.

They are not going to schedule us to our advantages. We will play at Minnesota, OSU, Michigan, Notre Dame most likely, Iowa, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana etc., in November games guaranteed.

Our home games early in the season will be at night or against OOC teams.

“It’s not like it used to be”. Weather is cyclical. I’ve been in Minnesota at Thanksgiving when they had a three day blizzard of -32* and 2’ of snow.

****, I used to have Faculty season tickets at Vanderbilt and went to a game in early November and it snowed. Spurrier was the HC of SCarolina and Vanderbilt beat them. And that’s just Nashville.

People from up north are used to cold weather and diminish what it’s like to play at noon in Miami in September.
People from South Florida, are used to hot weather and think the cold weather won’t be an issue.

Most of the people voting for the Big 10, have probably never lived in and played football in both extremes, to even comment intelligently on the issue.

You adapt, you just don’t adapt in 2 days.

What have you done to earn a “” from Tony Facepalms???

@Tony4Canes, where has he sinned against thee?

 

[TboneJones]

Weather was an issue for us because we weren't fielding good teams back then. Get over this SEC stuff. They don't want Miami b/c Miami would outshine all their other institutions.

 

[Tony4Canes]

What have you done to earn a “” from Tony Facepalms???

@Tony4Canes, where has he sinned against thee?

Pretty much all of his ****** post

 

[RVACane]

Pretty much all of his ****** post

 

[RVACane]

 

[RF-4CCane]

Before the Big East, Miami played home/away almost yearly against ND and PSU, and i don't recall weather ever being an issue for Miami. In fact, the game that started the UM dynasty, was Jim Kelly's first start, where he led UM to an upset at Happy Valley in low 40 degree weather.

Every game we played against ND from 1980 forward, at South Bend was in October. Generally early October. The latest we ever played at South Bend was October 29th and we lost.

We’ve played PSU three times at State College from 1980 forward.
Once in September, once in early October and once on November 1st.
We lost the November 1st game.

Jim Kelly lost the only game he played at PSU in 1980.
His win was in 1981 at the OB.

Kelly’s wins in 1981 against PSU and ND are the exact reason I became a Canes fan, in 1981.

 

[RVACane]

Weather was an issue for us because we weren't fielding good teams back then. Get over this SEC stuff. They don't want Miami b/c Miami would outshine all their other institutions.

We don’t fit in with their schools and student bodies culturally.